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« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2003, 02:01:00 PM »
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Ryan is out there trying to sell himself and his movie, Coldwater. He has not done anything to help others.  He is only hurting those who are still in these "programs".  He can't keep his story straight from one moment to the next.  I wish that Inside Edition would have asked him about his movie and the "bribe/ransom".  



He is not creditable in my eyes.  I am sure he will not be creditable in the eyes of many. "


Considering you weren't at his inside edition interview, then how do you KNOW what they asked and didn't ask. Apparently you aren't aware that news documentary shows such as this ask many many questions during the interivews and then edit it down to fit the television format in which they work.

And as for changing "bribe" to "ransom" is purely semantics. It's called presenting things properly. Perhaps they felt the use of bribe sounded wrong, who knows.

But once again, you all attack, yet really don't say anything. I'm really wasting my time even responding, I just find what you all say as almost amusing.

What I find REALLY funny is how much you all follow his website and the revisions to it. Just like you all will be there on opening night of Coldwater whether or not you'll actually admit is another story.

So keep on complaining about Ryan and Coldwater - all you're doing is promoting his cause and the film.

BTW: If you'd like the names of the kids that Ryan HAS helped, let me know and I'll send that to you. Just cuz it isn't all over the web or in the media, doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Some day, you'll all eat your acusatory words!
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« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2003, 02:14:00 PM »
Carey,

You're back- maybe you can answer the question posed to you about what you are doin to help kids besides bashing others who are trying to help?
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« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2003, 02:23:00 PM »
Hi everyone - I am a journalist in Canada and am looking to speak with Canadian students that went to any of these WWASPS. Feel free to forward on my email, I would like to hear your stories.
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« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2003, 02:28:00 PM »
No One Has Wronged You.

Just as you have made no mistakes, neither has anyone else. Every person's actions have been exactly what you have needed to bring you into this moment. Blame and victim consciousness drain your power and personal energy.
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Your seminar bablled is unwelcomed unless you want to rephrase it as an I statement. No one here volunteered to be in your peer group assessment or requested your wisdom quote of the day. There most certainly are victims, and realizing one has been victimized can often revitalize their personal power and energy. I suppose you are also suggesting that justice has no place in a world where no one ever does anything wrong, because everything is as it should be. Bah-loney.

Furthermore, if you believed this, you wouldn't support teens being warehoused in programs, you wouldn't feel victim to your lying, manipulating teen, you would simply allow them to live their life as you have prepared (or not) them to do. The program has convinced you that seeking their "help" is an action to take so you aren't stuck in the victim consciousness. Wake up. You have been victimized.


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« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2003, 02:30:00 PM »
I did answer.  Go back and find where I did if you would like.

You don't have to agree with me on how see things.  It is ok for you to have your thoughts and opinions separate and apart from mine.   I don't hold that against you.  

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And as for changing "bribe" to "ransom" is purely semantics. It's called presenting things properly. Perhaps they felt the use of bribe sounded wrong, who knows.


Calling it what it is I would think to be a pretty important issue.  What Ryan did was make an accusations and then retract it because of critisism.
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« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2003, 03:09:00 PM »
Ouch this will hurt, but I agree with Carey on this one. Ryan is not consistent and not creditable, that TX family was. WWAPS is bad, no doubt, but Ryan is not helping the situation. I cant believe no one picked up that they didnt mention him as a lead plaintiff or a plaintiff at all!  His website promotes him as lead plaintiff, Inside Edition stated he hopes to be able to join. Wonder what is going on here. Truth or Fiction.
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« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2003, 03:42:00 PM »
Yah, I'm actually kind of friends with Ryan and he's changed his story to me several times. He keeps saying his case is going to court this week, next week, filming is this way and that way blah blah blah.... he is definitely full of shit.
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« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2003, 03:57:00 PM »
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"Ouch this will hurt, but I agree with Carey on this one. Ryan is not consistent and not creditable, that TX family was. WWAPS is bad, no doubt, but Ryan is not helping the situation. I cant believe no one picked up that they didnt mention him as a lead plaintiff or a plaintiff at all!  His website promotes him as lead plaintiff, Inside Edition stated he hopes to be able to join. Wonder what is going on here. Truth or Fiction."


I agree, something is definitly not right here.  Maybe Berryman or someone else from "his" group can enlighten us on what's really going on????
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« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2003, 06:33:00 PM »
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"Ouch this will hurt, but I agree with Carey on this one. Ryan is not consistent and not creditable, that TX family was. WWAPS is bad, no doubt, but Ryan is not helping the situation. I cant believe no one picked up that they didnt mention him as a lead plaintiff or a plaintiff at all!  His website promotes him as lead plaintiff, Inside Edition stated he hopes to be able to join. Wonder what is going on here. Truth or Fiction."


You and Carey "both" need to locate a dictionary. I think the word you are wanting to use is "credible".
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« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2003, 06:47:00 PM »
Yes that is the issue...our spelling.  I guess if that is what is important to you about this topic, well then, why not go back and correct everyones?

Anyway, attack what you can about our spelling, because you surely have no argument about the real issue.  If you did, that would have been what you would have addressed.

Now lets go back to what I said:

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He is not creditable in my eyes. I am sure he will not be creditable in the eyes of many. "


The dictionary, Webster's, defines creditable as "meriting praise."  In my opinion, Ryan merits no praise!

But you know, now that you mention it, he is less than credible, likewise.  He deserves no praise and he is not deserving of anyones confidence as he has no credibility either.


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« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2003, 07:00:00 PM »
creditable, credible, tomatoe, tomato

your point?  you got the jest of the point. the boy is not credible or creditable. probably not a lead plaintiff either.
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« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2003, 07:02:00 PM »
Yes that is the issue...our spelling. I guess if that is what is important to you about this topic, well then, why not go back and correct everyones?

Anyway, attack what you can about our spelling, because you surely have no argument about the real issue. If you did, that would have been what you would have addressed.

Now lets go back to what I said:

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He is not creditable in my eyes. I am sure he will not be creditable in the eyes of many. "
 

The dictionary, Webster's, defines creditable as "meriting praise." In my opinion, Ryan merits no praise!

But you know, now that you mention it, he is less than credible, likewise. He deserves no praise and he is not deserving of anyones confidence as he has no credibility either.
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« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2003, 07:02:00 PM »
The point was you can always track Carey's posts whether she uses her name or not.
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« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2003, 07:17:00 PM »
Why do you think I need to post as an ANON, like yourself?  What in the hell are you so paranoid about?  I must scare the hell out of you ANON.  Does it make you feel better to make a statement like that?  If you can tell yourself that I post as myself and then as an ANON does it make you feel less threatened?  What? I don't get it?  I am not afraid to be criticized by ANONOMOUS posters, such as yourself.  

I think it is a shame that you can not discuss the subject with statments that might make a difference instead of your paranoid comments like " The point was you can always track Carey's posts whether she uses her name or not."  How lame can you be?

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« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2003, 07:28:00 PM »
Does anyone know if the troubled teens, in not only WWASPS, but all the behavior change programs, have ever written to their parents talking about how abused they were just to come home and it was a lie?  

Do teens really say this stuff?  Wouldn't that get government officials to come and investigate only to find everything was acceptable?

From what I've heard, they say this stuff on a daily basis at all these types of schools.  And the parents don't believe it because they've either been to the schools or know other teens that had been and know the tactics?  What about crying wolf??
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