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Offline Froderik

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Re: The Mothman of WV
« Reply #45 on: June 02, 2010, 05:57:27 PM »
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Council of Nicea?

The Muslims wrote theirs in less time after their prophet bit the dust, depending on who you believe; however, the general consensus is that it didn't take them nearly as long as the Christians and that the Koran is generally more self-consistent. Hence: Better editing team.
Ok, now what is your take on the Mothman Phenomena?
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Re: The Mothman of WV
« Reply #46 on: June 02, 2010, 06:29:47 PM »
The exact same as Bigfoot. Numerous sightings, and it ended up to be conclusively proven a hoax.
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Re: The Mothman of WV
« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2010, 06:43:47 PM »
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ou don't see this same phenomenon with [...] Mohamed

:rofl: :roflmao: :beat:

Yeah I mean it's not like there's two whole major sects of Islam and a whole bunch of sub-sects killing each other like flies in the desert over that.

When the Quran was first being written, the editors had to pick and choose between many thousands of contradicting Hadith, trying to figure out what was actually the words of the Prophet based on how many witnesses they could find to support them. Basically, the Muslims' choice book of fiction had a better editing team and they're still butchering each other over it. The comparison between Shia/Sunni and Catholic/Protestant is obvious. Who are you kidding?

The difference is what the debate is about. Christian and Muslims (and many others) argue over doctrine and tradition - that's true. But you don't see people trying to argue Mohamed was a space alien, or a magician, or a more highly evolved man capable of time travel, or a fictional composite character - this is a very different kind of thing where some make an effort to change the very nature of who and what He is.

Another distinction He holds is being the only Messiah/Prophet/ God whose name is commonly used as a curse word.  Why is that? Why don't people exclaim Mohamed! when upset - or Oh, Mohamed on a bloody crutch! or maybe Mohamed on a cranky camel!
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Re: The Mothman of WV
« Reply #48 on: June 02, 2010, 06:52:01 PM »
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But you don't see people trying to argue Mohamed was a space alien, or a magician, or a more highly evolved man capable of time travel, or a fictional composite character - this is a very different kind of thing where some make an effort to change the very nature of who and what He is.

Because the Quran made it particularly clear: Dude in the desert having visions. He claimed to be receiving messages FROM God. He never claimed to BE God or perform miracles the same way Christ did. And the Muslims have strong beliefs about describing him as anything but a prophet.

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Another distinction He holds is being the only Messiah/Prophet/ God whose name is commonly used as a curse word.  Why is that? Why don't people exclaim Mohamed! when upset - or Oh, Mohamed on a bloody crutch! or maybe Mohamed on a cranky camel!

You honestly can't recognize this as a simple cultural difference? The Jews have a prohibition against spelling the full name of God (hence why it's written YHVH), and the Muslims don't use their God's name in that way. They say "Allahu akbar!" in different contexts. Pretty sure the Hindus and other polytheists have their own swears relating to their own gods, though.
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Re: The Mothman of WV
« Reply #49 on: June 02, 2010, 11:03:51 PM »
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You honestly can't recognize this as a simple cultural difference?

No, b/c this is something that crosses cultural lines. It seems people of many faiths and cultures use His name to curse.  I  find this odd.

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Dude in the desert having visions. He claimed to be receiving messages FROM God. He never claimed to BE God or perform miracles the same way Christ did. And the Muslims have strong beliefs about describing him as anything but a prophet.

Christian doctrine is clear with beliefs just as strong, or stronger.  It isn't Christians who are always attempting to remake Him. What I'm wondering is, Why do so many who do not accept Christianity want to alter it to fit their own notions?

Generally, when you don't believe something you simply leave it alone. For some reason, many who reject the Biblical Jesus seem compelled to tinker with who He is, His message and ministry - making some all-together different dude. You just don't see this with other faiths.

As to Big-foot and Moth man - keep in mind some yahoo getting caught pulling a stunt, only proves that event was a stunt.  There are many unaccountable things in the world.
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Re: The Mothman of WV
« Reply #50 on: June 03, 2010, 11:00:32 AM »
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Christian doctrine is clear with beliefs just as strong, or stronger.  It isn't Christians who are always attempting to remake Him. What I'm wondering is, Why do so many who do not accept Christianity want to alter it to fit their own notions?

I don't want to remake it, but I do wonder about all the editing of the bible.  And the contradictions within it and the contradictions with science.

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Generally, when you don't believe something you simply leave it alone. For some reason, many who reject the Biblical Jesus seem compelled to tinker with who He is, His message and ministry - making some all-together different dude. You just don't see this with other faiths.


Speaking for myself, I'm fascinated and incensed at the same time.  So many deaths, so much destruction all over who's god is the right god and which of his "laws" are the right laws.

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 There are many unaccountable things in the world.

Yep and we seem to emotionally have a difficult time with that.  We need our security blankets for things we don't, yet, understand.  As mankind has throughout all of our conscious time.  But then advances in science came along and we realized that the earth is not flat, Thor is not throwing lightning bolts at us during a thunderstorm and Jesus didn't hang with the dinosaurs.  I think we are so petrified of 'nothingness', of not existing, of what happens when we die that we've come up with this fairy tale to make us feel better.  I truly believe we'll grow out of it someday.
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Re: The Mothman of WV
« Reply #51 on: June 03, 2010, 11:55:45 AM »
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I don't want to remake it, but I do wonder about all the editing of the bible.  And the contradictions within it and the contradictions with science.

The Bible has never been edited - except by certain cult leaders attempting to make it fit their theology - I'm thinking of Charles Russell. But the gospels, and the letters, and the old testament have in no way been redacted or altered. The Jewish Rabbis and scribes were extraordinarily careful that nothing of the sort could or would happen.

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Yep and we seem to emotionally have a difficult time with that.  We need our security blankets for things we don't, yet, understand.  As mankind has throughout all of our conscious time.  But then advances in science came along and we realized that the earth is not flat, Thor is not throwing lightning bolts at us during a thunderstorm and Jesus didn't hang with the dinosaurs.  I think we are so petrified of 'nothingness', of not existing, of what happens when we die that we've come up with this fairy tale to make us feel better.  I truly believe we'll grow out of it someday.

An old thread from another forum just popped up. The subject matter applies so I thought I'd copy a responce to here:

Well Al - I'm not sure its worth the effort of arguing. Its not like it is an important theological point. It is purely conjecture on my part. But for what ever little bit its worth, I think this b/c there is in fact a world wide UFO phenomenon taking place. True, many events are proven hoaxes; others one can manage to explain with plausible natural explanations - but there remain many others for which there is simply no logical explanation, and many witnesses.

Also, there is an increase in people claiming to have encountered unnatural animals or human like (but clearly non-human) beings. They might all be trippin on acid - or other wise off their rails - but they appear to be average folks, normal in every way - some are police or military - and so I think you have to accept it is possible they have actually encountered something other-worldly.

Also, I consider the Lost book of Enoch to be a book of Scripture. I believe it tells us more about the odd verse we have concerning angels and women and Giants in the land. I think this ties in with the end time events and how they will play out. The development of a one world religion for example. The over whelming,world wide power and influence the anti-Christ will have, for another.

I consider the fact that there are actually scientist who now argue the origin of life on Earth is a result of pan-spermia - off world seeding.

I consider the fact other academics point to various cave pictorials and Mayan (or Aztec) carvings as direct evidence of space-men encounters by these peoples. The fact some seriously theorize it is these space men who help build the Mayan temples, Egyptian pyramids, Stone Henge and other sites that modern men can not duplicate.

I think society is being conditioned to accept that all religions are false, that we are the result of planting by these space men, that they have always been watching over us and that they are now ready to more directly guide us. I think the anti-Christ will be their spokesmen - maybe claim to be one of them - maybe this is what will be announced from he Temple - the he is actually our god b/c he is one of them.

There is nothing in scripture that speaks of space men - and I don't myself believe in space men - but I do believe in angels, demons and the possibility that their are other spiritual beings that resulted from the story in Enoch's book. They, I believe, will present themselves as "space-men".

We are told that the whole world will follow after the beast. That the whole world will follow one religion. This is pretty incredible when you think about it. How to get Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhist, Scientologist (who BTW will just love this, as it fits with their theology very nicely) Moonies, Wiccans, Rastafarians, and so on to come together and believe the same thing?

It will require something quit incredible. Something all will view as undeniable. I believe an announcement by a world leader, with accompanying visual effects, that we are all really star children with a great new age dawning will do the trick. A few will resist and will suffer the consequences. They will be viewed as less than human - defective and in need of extermination so that the world can have its great new age.

This is how I theorize the events in Revelation playing out, and why say such an announcement will likely take place in the not to distant future.

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You obviously watched too much Star Trek and the new show 'V'


Don't watch at all. But I Do think this is part of the conditioning to accept the message.
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Re: The Mothman of WV
« Reply #52 on: June 03, 2010, 02:20:37 PM »
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Also, there is an increase in people claiming to have encountered unnatural animals or human like (but clearly non-human) beings.

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Re: The Mothman of WV
« Reply #53 on: June 03, 2010, 02:37:36 PM »
I have images blocked - wanna tell me about it?
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Re: The Mothman of WV
« Reply #54 on: June 03, 2010, 03:07:22 PM »
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I have images blocked - wanna tell me about it?


I think it's a picture of furries.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=furry

1.    furry
   
Possibly the strangest sub-culture in all of geekdom. Furries range from being harmless fans fascinated by anthropomorphic characters and animals, to immensely withdrawn or self-abosrbed persons who actually believe, or want to believe, they're eagle-winged fox-like versions of themselves with giant gentalia who wouldn't dare be anything else that could be considered mundane. Furries defy any coventional or unifying definition.
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Re: The Mothman of WV
« Reply #55 on: June 03, 2010, 03:30:47 PM »
*huff*
and your point is?
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Re: The Mothman of WV
« Reply #56 on: June 09, 2010, 07:57:39 AM »
UTube/expelled/R. Dawson: life began when aliens seeded the earth
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6EXeZPNxHU

Life began with crystal alligment
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZsND1RIoAQ

seriously scientific theories by serious scientist.

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I consider the fact that there are actually scientist who now argue the origin of life on Earth is a result of pan-spermia - off world seeding.

I consider the fact other academics point to various cave pictorials and Mayan (or Aztec) carvings as direct evidence of space-men encounters by these peoples. The fact some seriously theorize it is these space men who help build the Mayan temples, Egyptian pyramids, Stone Henge and other sites that modern men can not duplicate.

I think society is being conditioned to accept that all religions are false, that we are the result of planting by these space men, that they have always been watching over us and that they are now ready to more directly guide us. I think the anti-Christ will be their spokesmen - maybe claim to be one of them - maybe this is what will be announced from he Temple - the he is actually our god b/c he is one of them.
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Re: The Mothman of WV
« Reply #57 on: June 09, 2010, 05:50:46 PM »
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I finally watched the movie last night, and am now a staunch believer in The Mothman Prophecies.

Too many uncanny, eerie occurrences not to be true...

I know the Mothman personally. Nice dude! Plays a mean bass, too!
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Re: The Mothman of WV
« Reply #58 on: June 09, 2010, 06:17:08 PM »
I thought it was a saxophone. . .
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Re: The Mothman of WV
« Reply #59 on: June 10, 2010, 11:47:19 PM »
Both of you are right...it was bass saxophone.
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