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Offline Jeff_Berryman

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To Melissa R
« on: September 15, 2003, 01:20:00 PM »
Dear Melissa R.

Since you decline to E-mail me privately as I requested, I shall make this public.

Young lady, I have been an activist in this cause for six years.  In that time, the only compensation I have ever received is a magazine subscription in payment for an article that I wrote.  Aside from that I have NEVER recieved one penny of compensation of any kind from anyone, not in cash, nor in kind, not in favors returned nor good and valuable consideration of any kind, not from PURE as an organization nor from Sue Scheff as an individual.  I do this because I care about the kids, and for no other reason.  Aside from once having had a girlfriend who was a victim of institutional child abuse (Not WWASP) I have no personal irons in this fire of any kind.  (Came close though.  Thirty years ago my father tried to con my mother into letting him send me off to Provo Canyon.  I'm kind of sorry I wasn't there for the riot.)  So don't acuse me of money grubbing.  If there was a way to make money off of this cause I wish someone would tell me what it is.  I'd love to turn professional and quit my day job.  

It seems that your issue with me is that you lump me together with PURE.  Well it so happens that I know Sue Scheff a lot better than you do, and your condemnation of PURE is misplaced.  The sad truth is that there are some kids out there who are a danger to themselves or others.  In some cases, intervention is simply necessary, and Sue steers parents to reputable programs and away from abusive ones.  You have a problem with that?  

It is true of course that these kids should have the right to due process of law, represenatation by counsel, and all that other good stuff adults would expect in a similar situation.  I have been working for six years to make that happen.  At various times I have written, faxed, or E-mailed the entire United States Congress.  I have E-mailed every major newspaper in the country, and the Los Angeles Times expose was a direct result (I was hoping for something a LOT more impressive, of course.)  I maintain a contact list of more than thirty journalists and government officials whom I keep posted.  My associates have things happening that should result in more media attention, and legal or legislative action on a number of fronts in the near future.  I have given every spare moment to this cause for six years to make this happen, so I am DAMNED WELL ENTITLED TO YOUR RESPECT!!!!  

Henceforth young lady, I will thank you to keep your sniping to yourself.  Some of the other people on this board can't be held responsible for their actions, but you are clearly sane and rational and there is no excuse for this behavior on your part.  If you have a problem with PURE, then E-mail Sue Scheff personally.  She has no idea who you are or why you have your nose out of joint about her.  Her web site is at: http://www.helpyourteens.com/

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Jeff Berryman

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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2003, 01:59:00 PM »
But, at the end of the day, ya'll are still circumventing due process; flawed as the system is in this day.

The sole criteria for involuntary commitment to these facilities is still the parents stayed belief that the kid needs involuntary commitment and their ability to pay for it.

Would the same kids get the help you think they need in the criminal justice system? Don't look now, but our "friends" in high places have been working toward that goal for decades an they've made some headway. But, for the most part, no. They won't have anyone messing with their heads on the level they do in these other places, at least not under color of law or with the crazy-making appearance of legitimacy.

There is not a "fragment" in all nature, for every relative fragment of one thing is a full harmonious unit in itself.
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2003, 02:07:00 PM »
Jeff- what was your purpose, if not marketing, to add the PURE link?

What was your role in the wwasps vs pure court hearing?  Your name is on the documents?  I don't trust you or your word at this time.

http://www.purerebuttal.com -

PURe has still not divulged which programs they refer to, so thinking they are better is only your opinion. Their whole website doesn't give credibiilty to what they are doing.  It's just another "slam" site as far as I'm concerned.
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2003, 03:42:00 PM »
In no way, Jeff, has my opinion of you changed. Not one bit. Simply because you're a candid speaker, (and  you have a big mouth I should add) should I all of a sudden believe you.... I know better, I read up on things, and I simply don't trust you. I didn't want to go to war with you, but nagging me for information about Adam Wolfe to use against WWASP is not okay. I feel that with the Adam Wolfe situation, it would be wrong to commercialize the loss of my friend so you, Sue, Satan, whoever the hell else you're associated with make a quick dollar. AS they say.... Fuhgeddaboutit!
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2003, 03:43:00 PM »
^---------Melissa
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2003, 04:39:00 PM »
Jeff has to support Sue.  If they go down, they go down together.
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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2003, 04:51:00 PM »
Jeff wrote: "Henceforth young lady, I will thank you to keep your sniping to yourself. Some of the other people on this board can't be held responsible for their actions, but you are clearly sane and rational and there is no excuse for this behavior on your part."

Jeff - is this some sort of threat?  It's hard to tell for sure?
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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2003, 09:22:00 PM »
Jeff,  

Well said!  I appreciate all that you do,have done on behalf of the kids.I know that you care and that you work tirelessly to strive to make a difference.

Thank you! thank you! thank you!

Thanks for sharing the Tico Times article too.
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Offline MelissaR

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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2003, 11:04:00 PM »
Furthermore, JEFF... I do NOT appreciate your grilling me publicly. I did not even SEE your request that I email you until there was a whole topic about me. I am 17 years old and I do not appreciate being threatened by you. I don't trust you, you remind me of program staff, honestly. Sue can kiss my ass. I don't care if she knows who I am or not, it makes no difference, I know what SHE is all about, I know what YOU are all about... END OF STORY.  You should be ashamed of yourself, Jeff. Because I would not tell you about a tremendous loss I have suffered, you throw a temper tantrum and go as far as to THREATEN ME? What, are you broke? Can't pay the rent? I will NEVER, EVER associate with ANYONE who is untrustworthy such as you are. Holy shit, you say you're not involved with PURE... then why is your name ALL OVER THE LAWSUITS!? Don't take advantange of me, Mr. Berryman! I am kindly requesting that you remove that attack from the forum, and I can promise you that if you choose to leave it up, there will be consequences. I PROMISE YOU THAT, seventeen or not!
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Offline Jeff_Berryman

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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2003, 12:45:00 AM »
Exactly what in my posting do you perceive as a threat?
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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2003, 12:50:00 AM »
Jeff, very not cool to go off on mellissa like that. If you want respect then your gonna have to show her some respect. Your not helping by yelling at her publicly on this board. I would appreciate it if you apoligized and took off the post about mellissa. I might not know much about her but i know shes only helped, and she definatley deserves my support-i gotcha back-
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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2003, 01:05:00 AM »
Jeff -  :wave:      :wave:         :wave:
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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2003, 08:58:00 AM »
this is Devlin Graves. Those out there who know me will know the name. I am posting annonimisly because i am just too lazy to regester. Anyway your attack on Melessa R. was uncalled for Jeff. You should appoilgize to her immeadieatly. Both you and Sue have told me to back away from PURE. I have for now as there are bigger fish to deal with now. When Mountain Park is gone and WWASP is gone PURE is next. Rest be asssured they are on my hit list for programs/referal agencys to close. I have always been suspiciouse of you Jeff, Why does out name come up so many times along with PURE? Now you FUCKED up WWASP'IES dont look at me as no friend i am your not on your side. I hope WWASP and PURE sues each other out of busness!!!! Pass this message along to Sue please, Tell her as long as she runs PURE the way she is doing now they are on the list. By that i mean when i first hit her site i see the apporoved escort list! What the FUCK!!!!
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Offline Jeff_Berryman

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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2003, 09:35:00 AM »
If she won't show me respect, why should I respect her?  Why is it all right for her to flame me and anyone else she feels like, but not the reverse?  I'm not getting any apologies, so why should I make any?
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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2003, 09:42:00 AM »
I am beginning to strongly suspect that Melissa R is actually an alter ego of Carey Bock.  My "attack" was largely an experiment to try to prove this theory.  I don't claim it's proven, but I'm more suspicious than ever.  The attitudes are similar, the preconceived notions are similar, the vitriol tastes pretty much the same.  As for Devlin Graves, he lost my respect a long time ago.
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