Elan discussion from New Forum Policies

[Ursus]

Yep. Might as well axe 95% of what's on fornits if you want to enforce that. lol

[karen p]

I am glad people  are not paying attention to Danny anymore because the verbal brawl will never stop.   I hope people continue to ignore him for the sanity of this website.

[SEKTO]

I am glad people  are not paying attention to Danny anymore because the verbal brawl will never stop.   I hope people continue to ignore him for the sanity of this website.

Hear, hear.  I would heartily agree with you, karen.

[Ursus]

As for comments about “DAYTOPIAN rules” Just to clarify; again. The rules and policies  were posted in Élan Forum by administrators.
The request to ban Bannison came to me from an Élan poster and the sentiment about how Bennison interrupts/inhibits discussion were seconded by still another Élan poster.
From there, I did as I consider was expected of me to do, and I immediately contacted Administrators regarding the requests and comments, while adding that I agreed that cumulatively it was time based on the content of his nasty post to Anne Bonney as well as other very blatant attacks.

I say we return the "Occupied Territory" back to it's original state of Freedom.
Tell NORTH KOREA AND THEIR DAYTOPIAN DICTATORS RULES TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR CESSPOOL!
3 RULES
1. ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK
2. FREEDOM OF SPEECH
3. ONLY SPAM AND TUB GIRL WILL BE DELETED

I'm fine with whatever. I never saw this as anything other than temporary, nor could I ever force myself to look at that official rule list after the first day. Just not my style.

Personally, and this is strictly my opinion and I can only speak for myself here, I see moderating as being essentially akin to yet another form of behavior modification. Maybe there's no "akin" about it. One employs it only when absolutely necessary. That is, as infrequently and as minimally as possible, preferably only when survival is at stake, and bearing in mind that ... there is always a cost.

So... just lemme know when to pack me bags. I'm cool.  

[Yoshi]

As for comments about “DAYTOPIAN rules” Just to clarify; again. The rules and policies  were posted in Élan Forum by administrators.
The request to ban Bannison came to me from an Élan poster and the sentiment about how Bennison interrupts/inhibits discussion were seconded by still another Élan poster.
From there, I did as I consider was expected of me to do, and I immediately contacted Administrators regarding the requests and comments, while adding that I agreed that cumulatively it was time based on the content of his nasty post to Anne Bonney as well as other very blatant attacks.

I say we return the "Occupied Territory" back to it's original state of Freedom.
Tell NORTH KOREA AND THEIR DAYTOPIAN DICTATORS RULES TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR CESSPOOL!
3 RULES
1. ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK
2. FREEDOM OF SPEECH
3. ONLY SPAM AND TUB GIRL WILL BE DELETED

Eliscu2: why would anybody want to listen to your advice about how to run a forum?  You're the one who was a moderator, until you got FIRED.

 :lala:

[SEKTO]

As for comments about “DAYTOPIAN rules” Just to clarify; again. The rules and policies  were posted in Élan Forum by administrators.
The request to ban Bannison came to me from an Élan poster and the sentiment about how Bennison interrupts/inhibits discussion were seconded by still another Élan poster.
From there, I did as I consider was expected of me to do, and I immediately contacted Administrators regarding the requests and comments, while adding that I agreed that cumulatively it was time based on the content of his nasty post to Anne Bonney as well as other very blatant attacks.

I say we return the "Occupied Territory" back to it's original state of Freedom.
Tell NORTH KOREA AND THEIR DAYTOPIAN DICTATORS RULES TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR CESSPOOL!
3 RULES
1. ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK
2. FREEDOM OF SPEECH
3. ONLY SPAM AND TUB GIRL WILL BE DELETED

I'm fine with whatever. I never saw this as anything other than temporary, nor could I ever force myself to look at that official rule list after the first day. Just not my style.

Personally, and this is strictly my opinion and I can only speak for myself here, I see moderating as being essentially akin to yet another form of behavior modification. Maybe there's no "akin" about it. One employs it only when absolutely necessary. That is, as infrequently and as minimally as possible, preferably only when survival is at stake, and bearing in mind that ... there is always a cost.

So... just lemme know when to pack me bags. I'm cool.  

So what are we supposed to do, Ursus?  Change the name from fornits to The Troll Show?

There's a vast difference between moderating these forums better and employing program-style BMod techniques on people.  Apples and oranges.  You cannot be serious.

We do not use signs here, no humiliating LEs, we do not use the chair, there are no costumes, there is no "Fornits Philosophy" or "Fornits Values," no formal Fornits Creed, and there are no stages to work through.  Though, I would have to say that it's like an electronic Encounter Group at times in here.

Nobody's telling anybody how to think, or what to say.  Though, I would point out that you do seem to fancy yourself the self-appointed Semantics Police at times.

Everywhere you go and no matter what you are doing in society, there are rules, and consequences for breaking them.  

All I am talking about is implementing some rules and standards, and then enforcing the same.  What's wrong with that?

[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[SEKTO]

No, Joel my friend, I am afraid that I do not understand.  It was pretty funny, but what are you saying in posting this?

[Ursus]

As for comments about “DAYTOPIAN rules” Just to clarify; again. The rules and policies  were posted in Élan Forum by administrators.
The request to ban Bannison came to me from an Élan poster and the sentiment about how Bennison interrupts/inhibits discussion were seconded by still another Élan poster.
From there, I did as I consider was expected of me to do, and I immediately contacted Administrators regarding the requests and comments, while adding that I agreed that cumulatively it was time based on the content of his nasty post to Anne Bonney as well as other very blatant attacks.

I say we return the "Occupied Territory" back to it's original state of Freedom.
Tell NORTH KOREA AND THEIR DAYTOPIAN DICTATORS RULES TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR CESSPOOL!
3 RULES
1. ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK
2. FREEDOM OF SPEECH
3. ONLY SPAM AND TUB GIRL WILL BE DELETED

I'm fine with whatever. I never saw this as anything other than temporary, nor could I ever force myself to look at that official rule list after the first day. Just not my style.

Personally, and this is strictly my opinion and I can only speak for myself here, I see moderating as being essentially akin to yet another form of behavior modification. Maybe there's no "akin" about it. One employs it only when absolutely necessary. That is, as infrequently and as minimally as possible, preferably only when survival is at stake, and bearing in mind that ... there is always a cost.

So... just lemme know when to pack me bags. I'm cool.  

So what are we supposed to do, Ursus?  Change the name from fornits to The Troll Show?

There's a vast difference between moderating these forums better and employing program-style BMod techniques on people.  Apples and oranges.  You cannot be serious.

Oh, I'm dead serious. And it's not apples and oranges, it's apples and crab apples. Maybe crabby apples.

We do not use signs here, no humiliating LEs, we do not use the chair, there are no costumes, there is no "Fornits Philosophy" or "Fornits Values," no formal Fornits Creed, and there are no stages to work through.  Though, I would have to say that it's like an electronic Encounter Group at times in here.

Nobody's telling anybody how to think, or what to say.

Ah, but there is this onerous and, quite frankly, somewhat off-putting Forum Rules and Policies that seems to be seeping its way into various forums on fornits. And that does tell people how they are "allowed" to say things, which in some cases, might mean that they aren't able to say anything at all. And then there is the fact that some folks are getting reeeeeal ban-happy around here.

Perhaps it is a kinder, gentler program. But that's still a program. Perhaps you think fornits should turn into the anti-program program!?  

Though, I would point out that you do seem to fancy yourself the self-appointed Semantics Police at times.

LINK, dude, or it never happened. You've got a woeful misconception there. Since when did I ever give a serious rat's ass about other people's word usage? lol

I might care a bit about my own grammar and word usage, but that's because I'm socially retarded and think I don't communicate very well.

Everywhere you go and no matter what you are doing in society, there are rules, and consequences for breaking them.  

All I am talking about is implementing some rules and standards, and then enforcing the same.  What's wrong with that?

What's wrong? ... it's the anti-program program!!

 :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:

[SEKTO]

In this series of posts, you are trying to enlighten me as to the proper use of the term, "therapeutic community" after I'd written that I was immersed in one (Meadow Haven) at the time.  Don't forget: I first started posting to fornits from within a therapeutic community, namely, Meadow Haven.  And you were trying to tell me that technically, it's not a therapeutic community.  I, in effect, interpreted this at the time as you trying to tell me what is and is not "okay" to write.  At the time, it ticked me off, but I let it go.

Perhaps one might think that calling a community that offers therapeutic benefits a "therapeutic community" is technically okay.

http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 0&start=90

In this next set of posts, you are swerving out of your lane and into mine in telling me what is and is not an on-topic discussion within my forum.  That annoyed me too, but again, I let it go.

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=28320&p=357304&hilit=interrelated#p357304

Ursus, I do respect you and mean no offense.  It's just that sometimes I wish you'd stay in your lane.    Know what I mean?

You also come across as kind of a know-it-all at times, IMO.

Oh damn, and look at the tree on the sign!  I never made the connection before.

http://www.meadowhaven.org/index.htm

[Che Gookin]

Jesus Christ people... some of this would hit the next level of epic if you'd hash it out in PM.

[SEKTO]

Jesus Christ people... some of this would hit the next level of epic if you'd hash it out in PM.

Hey, free speech, right?

[Che Gookin]

Yeah but I consider Oprah style free speech a sort of verbal diarrhea.

[SEKTO]

Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants, but it does not mean that one can say whatever one wants, wherever one wants to say it.  You may remember the old saying about yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater.

" A kind of thinking in which maintaining group agreement overrides a careful consideration of the facts in a realistic manner."  

What is the term for such a state?

[Ursus]

Boy, you've really been saving up this ammo for awhile, haven't you!  

In this series of posts, you are trying to enlighten me as to the proper use of the term, "therapeutic community" after I'd written that I was immersed in one (Meadow Haven) at the time.  Don't forget: I first started posting to fornits from within a therapeutic community, namely, Meadow Haven.  And you were trying to tell me that technically, it's not a therapeutic community.  I, in effect, interpreted this at the time as you trying to tell me what is and is not "okay" to write.  At the time, it ticked me off, but I let it go.

Perhaps one might think that calling a community that offers therapeutic benefits a "therapeutic community" is technically okay.

http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 0&start=90

If I recall correctly, there was some confusion about your usage of the term "therapeutic community," namely, that you felt it was a positive reference since you were then currently part of one. But you did not make that clear, or maybe I just didn't get it because I am sometimes obtuse. So, sorry 'bout that, if that's what I did.

That was also about a year and a half ago. Might I suggest not festering over it so long next time. lol.

In this next set of posts, you are swerving out of your lane and into mine in telling me what is and is not an on-topic discussion within my forum.  That annoyed me too, but again, I let it go.

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=28320&p=357304&hilit=interrelated#p357304

I don't recall me telling you "what is and is not an on-topic discussion within [YOUR] forum." I do recall there being a discussion on the Daytop forum in which Elan was brought up (why wouldn't it, when Joe Ricci attended Daytop), and your telling us you were later gonna split the thread up and move select posts over to the Elan forum (thereby destroying the continuity of the discussion). I was not the only person to object to this.

Is this where I offended you and "swerved into your lane" on YOUR forum?:

Agreed. Please limit discussion of Elan, to the Elan forum. Later I'll split this thread and move things over there.

With all due respect, I worry that you run the risk of diluting the significance of program overlap by censoring discussion. I myself have found this thread quite stimulating and it has given me a number of new insights.

If you are going to excise all mention of non-Daytop programs from the Daytop thread, folk may perhaps not make the connection of the historical role Daytop plays. Likewise of all programs which also played a role in the formation of Daytop itself.

You also come across as kind of a know-it-all at times, IMO.

Yep. I told you I was socially retarded. And clearly I don't communicate very well. Quite possibly, not even within the parameters of the DAYTOP Forum Rules and Policies! But here's a solution for ya: you can always BAN ME from YOUR Daytop forum!!!