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[Antigen]

On 2003-09-13 08:54:00, Anonymous wrote:


The difference in effect has to do with the half-life of the drugs in the bloodstream.



Paxil gets cleaned out of your system much faster than Prozac, so if you don't take your dose regularly you can experience a combined return of symptoms and withdrawal.

Yes, that's pretty much what I understood, though I'll admit it's been a good long while since I've read up on the specifics.

OTOH, it's not that Paxil's a "bad drug"---it's the *least* likely of the SSRI's to make a bipolar patient go manic, so it can be safer for those bipolars who need an antidepressant than Prozac is.

I'm a firm believer in the idea that there are no good drugs and there are no bad drugs. Just good or bad uses of various drugs.

It also depends a *lot* on the individual reaction to the drug.  People have very individual biochemistries and a lot of times medical treatment for psychiatric problems, for those of us who need it, is a very individual process of trial and error until the doctor finds the meds that work best with that particular patient with the fewest side effects.

And how does the doctor go about acieving this titration process? How does it differ from the way an individual will often go about experimenting with drugs like caffine, cannabis, St. John's Wort, etc?

The thing that gets me is that so many people miss the irony of a very common scenario. A stout and true believer in the drug war philosophy will turn their kids, money and autonomy as parents over to WWASP for no other reason than that the kid is found to be smoking pot or something.

Then, when the shrink says the kid needs to take a SSRI or mood elevator or anti anxiety drug, and he needs to do so under the horrendously stressful circumstances of the program, they'll not only go right along with the shrink in deference to his credentials, they'll force the kid to go along with it after he tries to tell anyone who will listen that these new drugs ar and the 'therapy' are fucking them up, they don't want to take them and they really just need a joint and maybe some good music in the company of friends.

However, NONE of these drugs should be given to unwilling pediatric patients by the kinds of unlicensed pseudo-shrinks that are hired to staff these schools.



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Agreed! Neither should little kids be forced to take powerful amphetamines, like Ritalin and Adderal. Even if the shrink trying to force them too has some impressive documents hanging on their office wall, it's just fucked up to drug a kid by force.

Whoever kindles the flames of intolerance in America is lighting a fire underneath his own home.
--Harold E. Stassen, 1947

[Antigen]

One more thing.

I think we do have a major problem with kids getting involved with potentially dangerous drugs proffered by very dangerous people under nightmarishly dangerous circumstances. But I'm firmly convinced that the TOUGHLOVE, Just Say No approach is about as effective and logical as the proverbial tits on a wart hog.

"NO!", no matter how often or loudly or in how many ways you say it? It's just one word. Not enough information.

It scares hell out of me that there's opium tar going around in some places and the kids don't even know that it's the raw form of heroin. They call it red rock (and, after hearing it described, I'm not at all sure if it's exactly the same as raw opium or not)

If you've already told your kid that Marijuana is a horribly, intolerably dangerous drug and backed that assertion up with rash actions to prevent them from finding out for themselves if you were right or wrong, then you stand about a snowball's chance in hell of making them understand the real difference between smoking a joint and eating 20 mushrooms. Your credibility is shot and there's nothing you can do about it, except maybe get into the habit of admiting when you're wrong or when the only correct answer is "I don't know".

Our youth can not understand why society chooses to criminalize a behavior with so little visible ill effect or adverse social impact... These young people have jumped the fence and found no cliff.

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/nc/ncmenu.htm' target='_new'>Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse

[Anonymous]

Laura,

I've told my story to the media.

If you'd like more details contact the Montana Nurses Licensing board in Montana.Ask to speak to the Attorney handling the situation against Mark Ames.

This man was provided by Spring Creek Lodge.

Spring Creek Lodge neglected to check his credentials.

His credentials on his letter head are false.He charged $150.00 per hour. He is a fraud who has skipped the state.

Apparently many Spring Creek Lodge parents had complained about this man.

More importantly apparently the drugs are still being prescribed ,provided by the staff at Spring Creek Lodge. It is still happening!!!!!!!!!!

The story needs to be told .

[MelissaR]

Yah, I totally agree, Ginger. Smoking pot is great. Totally fantastic. I never smoked pot before the program, but I will say I have since then. It is excellent for my concentration skills, creativity, and thought processing. Everything we are *taught* about drugs (esp. marijuana) is propaganda. The government has programmed this into our minds because it isn't taxable and it makes an association with "Mexicans", which were stigmatized in the 1920's. Since then, our overall outlook on Mexican people has been considerable condescending. Now I'm not saying it's even slightly acceptable to use cocaine, heroin, speed, meth or any other *dangerous* drug, because those drugs really ARE dangerous. They are addictive, habit forming demons that burn holes in our bodies and pockets. But, I will defend marijuana use to the very roots of the cannabis plant. There are 420 reasons why doctors use it to aid chemo patients. It is relaxing, and euphoric, and completely safe! *REAL* doctors don't prescribe dangerous drugs!!! :smile:

[Anonymous]

Melissa,

Hook up with Huron. Then your story will be told and put to good use.

The more survivors who share the better.


Have no doubt SCL will be held accountable.

[Antigen]

Melissa, I think you're pretty much on track with regard to various drugs. But I am not an expert. I have extremely limited firsthand experience with any drugs but alcohol and cannabis and limited second hand knowledge (reading) of any of them.

The idea that the enemy of our enemy is our friend is bullshit! It's become an accepted part of our national, patriotic personality. But it's a crock, none the less. Just because someone lied to you about one drug doesn't mean that everyone who diagrees with them is always right.

Any substance, down to the cloves and sage in your spice cabinet, that can effect your body and mind is a serious, potentially dangerous drug. You should do your own research, before or after you start using any drug, to find out all you can about what it might do to you.

Some people even have bad reactions to marijuana. Those folks usually abstain from that particular drug of their own volition. I know a gal my age who went through the program and, the first time she smoked pot (must have been some potent stuff! or she is just predesposed to not use it) she swears she saw Satan and God as real as she sees her family sitting in the living room. I just take her word for it and don't bother arguing over whether or not the black market jib may have been laced with something nasty.

Please don't make the mistake of thinking that, just because a person lied to you about pot they must have been wrong about some other drug. Chances are, they didn't know what they were talking about about either one. In the end, they haven't given you any useful info. about anything, and you're still left with the task of deciding for yourself about all of them.

I hope I haven't comitted too many typoes, I'm operating this computer under the influence of some fine homebrew. I know and accept the the risks. But I'm damned near 40 and it's yours to decide whether or not I made a wise choice. I can't wait till I'm 70 and, as Mark Twain said, I'll only have to behave when I feel like it.  ::kiss::

Freedom has a thousand charms to show, That slaves, howe'er contented, never know.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1840300051/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'> William Cowper, a British Christian poet & hymn writer (18th century)

[Deborah]

**Any substance, down to the cloves and sage in your spice cabinet, that can effect your body and mind is a serious, potentially dangerous drug. You should do your own research, before or after you start using any drug, to find out all you can about what it might do to you.

Dr Andrew Weil has a wonderful book on this subject, "Chocolate to Morphine". He is very much about providing accurate information to teens re: mind altering substances- including the everyday substances that aren't catorgorized as "drugs". As far as I can tell, his information is accurate and honest. He also gives some other options for altering one's consciousness, like running or watching a sunset.
I like his argument- humans have been altering their consciousness forever- zero tolerance doesn't work. Younguns suck their thumbs, spin until they're dizzy, etc.
The social taboo, combined with stresses, tends to be the catalyst for abuse, vs appropriate use. My sons appreciated it.
Deborah