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[Antigen]

On 2003-09-11 14:32:00, Anonymous wrote:


That fact was not in the contract.

Or the glossy brochures.



I TRUSTED our Family Rep.

"

Anon, I'd be lying to you if I said I don't harbour a shadow of mistrust and animosity toward any parent who would buy into what the Program has to sell. That goes for my own father, who wound up being one of my few living heros and, hands down, best and most trusted blood relative.

But that's not a logical, intellectual assesment. That's an entirely emotional gut response based on the fear and loathing inspired in me by the fact that the "Teen Help" industry is growing around as fast as the prison services industry.

I think that if I hadn't seen what I've seen and experience what I've experienced, my own daughter might well have landed up under some form of forced treatment when Officer Friendly advixed me to make a false complaint against her for assault so that he could 'help' her.

Please don't take this the wrong way, folks. I'm not casting blame as a means to direct punishment or emotional abuse or anything. But I sincerely hope and would sleep better knowing that ya'll have learned from your mistakes in this. Sure. WWASP has some slick sales pitches. So do they all. But I can't forget that the cop accross the street, my best childhood friend's father, didn't buy into it when my mother tried to pitch him on The Seed. And I've spoken to people in recent years who got up and walked out of the intake interview simply because they realized, without any special inside info, that these people were nothing but shady snake oil salesmen.

I hope ya'll understand and spread the word on this time proven idea; "Don't take candy from strangers."  

It is the absolute right of the state to supervise the formation of public opinion.

--Joseph Goebbels

[Anonymous]

Re:  The guy who wrote the book about how the NYT is biased to the left.  If this is so, how the hell did they go after Clinton on the travel office thing, Monica and Whitewater for so long so hard?  They were way harder on Clinton than they are being on Bush.  This guy conveniently ignored that in his "analysis"

Of course, all newspapers have biases-- but the Times' bias is the establishment bias, not left or right.  It's conventional wisdom bias, which is why when they cover WWASP, they have to "balance" stories of abuse with stories of satisfied customers.

Re: medications.

Prozac and Paxil are *not* at all the same drug.  They are in the same class of drugs, but as anyone who has ever talked to anyone about this class of drugs will know, individual reactions vary widely to drugs within the same class.  Also, Paxil is known to have serious withdrawal symptoms if stopped abruptly, whereas Prozac does not.

Despite the biases of some people on this board against medications, there is lots of evidence to suggest that they help lots of people and while every medication has side effects, the evidence that there is widespread harm just isn't there.  Sure, some drugs are wrong for some people.  they should stop taking such drugs if they aren't helping.

[Antigen]

I'm not biased against drug use. I understand that most of the natural substances we think of as cooking spices contain medically active componants.

I'm extremel biased against authoritarian control over individuals' drug choices.

What is ominous is the ease with which some people go from saying that
they don't like something to saying that the government should forbid it. When you go down that road, don't expect freedom to survive very long.
--Thomas Sowell

[Deborah]

Also, Paxil is known to have serious withdrawal symptoms if stopped abruptly, whereas Prozac does not.

Guess that does depend on how one defines "serious". My friend stopped abruptly and was a basket case. Wanted to die. She's a PhD Child Psychologist, btw. Several of us were checking on her around the clock.
Here's a very informative website. Among other things, it define side effects and symptoms in layman's terms.

http://www.prozactruth.com/index.html

An an article from ABC
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/D ... 00524.html

I had no idea Prozac was $150 for 30 pills. How are people, like the mother in this story, affording it? How much of our tax dollars are paying for these drugs?

[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2003-09-11 17:21 ]

[Anonymous]

On 2003-09-11 14:32:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The Doctor who wasnt really a Doctor, provided by SCL Family Rep, prescribed for my child zyprex.



He misrepresented to me at the time the purpose for this prescription.



Not acceptable to me at all.



They are drugging the kids in place of quaility services.



Mass warehousing of kids easily controlled, stoned on physcotic drugs. Unacceptable to me.



That fact was not in the contract.

Or the glossy brochures.



I TRUSTED our Family Rep.

"

Doubt is the vestibule which all must pass before they can enter the
temple of wisdom. When we are in doubt and puzzle out the truth by our
own exertions, we have gained something that will stay by us and will
serve us again. But if to avoid the trouble of the search we avail
ourselves of the superior information of a friend, such knowledge will
not remain with us; we have not bought, but borrowed it.

- Charles Caleb Cotton, philosopher

[Anonymous]

In reading the original post, it didn't really need to be said.  Intelligence and judgment tells me he was asked to write about the wwasps schools and programs.  It also tells me that these schools are not for everyone.  When the community fails to offer anything but a slap on the wrist or juvenile detention or a band aid approach for a family in breakdown or whatever insurance mandates, we take it into our own hands.  If it doesn't help, then we blame someone else and find fault wherever we think it will do the most harm.  Tim didn't offer alternatives, only a balanced, but biased news article that opposes many, many more views than those that agree.  

Trouble is that people still do believe what they read and this book could be a very good resource for those that have been burned by the press, which is probably a very high percentage.  Will it change anything.  Doubt it.  Tim has targeted wwasp, however, there are many, if not all, other programs that kids and parents say the same things about when things don't go their way.  

Maybe TIm thinks the wwasps schools are making too much money by effectively helping the kids and families.  Why not put the focus on them so all those other less effective programs can get in on the profit that he's chosen not to report on.

Whatever his purpose, believing what I read is not my style without my own research - and not from the web or the media. Local law enforcement or local resources in the towns the schools are in would offer more truthful information.  Graduates of the schools and their parents, and ask them both good and bad experiences. Better yet, GO yourself and talk to the kids that are there now and ask to see their time out areas, ask them about food, school, and whatever is important including use of restraints.  

I talked to the kids without a staff person present at my request.  I based my decision on my gut feelings to admit or not - the media had nothing to do with it.  It's like reading stuff on this site or the web in general.  It's a communication resource.  It's not first hand information.   If I want sensational or biased views, the web or the media is the place to go.  If I want the truth, I'll go elsewhere.   :wave:

[Anonymous]

if you talked to a child at one of the schools without a staff member present (if thats true), you talked to an upper level, that means he can be sent back to level 1 for telling you anything negitive. do you think hes going to tell you the truth? :lol:  he has a choice to be upper level(talk, eat, get to punish the lower levels, ) or he can go back to lower level. what choice do you think any smart person would make??   now your advice might be good if wwasp would allow someone to walk in there, through every room and building on their compound and let a person pick who they want to talk to, then maybe we would believe you anon

[Anonymous]

Anon.  Want the truth?  Go to Teen Help.

NOT!

[Anonymous]

Anon,

I agree. I had searched on the internet and found ZYPREXA is used for schizophrenia, parkinson.

My child had neither. The Doctor assured me this was "brain glue for kids that have smoked pot."

I questioned the Family Rep in detail etc.

I have sinced learned from the MONTANA licensing board attorney this Dr is not a Dr ,put a nurse practioner,whose license has been suspended due too the multiple complaints from Spring Creek Lodge parents.

I know better than anyone the horror I feel at having exposed my child to this insanity called WWASP. How dare they.

The trauma he experienced at Tranquility Bay Jamaica is irreversible,maybe irreparable.

I know I made a mistake in trusting the untrustworthy. I/we will never be the same.

Ignorant is putting it lightly.

I had not ever read a negative about wwasp prior to our enrolling.I spoke with many parnets whose children were doing well in the program.
(Now that their kids are home they say differently.)


I WILL HOLD them Accountable.

[laura1]

Anon, whose child was put on Xyprexa by a fake doctor, would you be willing to talk to the media about this?  You would not have to use your real name.  If so, could you contact me with a private message on this board?

Thanks!

[Anonymous]

Anon,
Could we chat, perhaps? I went through SCL and they're not getting much publicity at all. People want to put all the blame on TB and not hold SCL accountable for the intense mistreatment of students there. I highly suggest you do go to the media with your story. I've been trying for a year now to get the spotlight shone on SCL in Montana. Your story is horrific, and I know there are lots others like it, including mine.

[MelissaR]

Whoops that was from me

[Anonymous]

The U.S. Congress also has taken interest in the Utah-based WorldWide Association of Specialty Programs (WWASP), the behavior-modification umbrella organization to which Dundee belonged.

House Representative George Miller of California, the ranking Democrat on the House Education Committee, last month asked the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) to review WWASP's tax-exempt status and investigate whether the organization has received any special tax treatment in the past.

One of Rep. Miller's congressional aides said this week that the congressman also is preparing to ask U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft to open a federal criminal investigation into alleged child mistreatment at WWASP programs
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[Anonymous]

Ginger---Paxil and Prozac are part of the same *class* of drugs---Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors---but are two different drugs.

Paxil is Paroxetene HCl and Prozac is Fluxetine HCl.

The difference in effect has to do with the half-life of the drugs in the bloodstream.

Paxil gets cleaned out of your system much faster than Prozac, so if you don't take your dose regularly you can experience a combined return of symptoms and withdrawal.

Paxil is also available in a time-release form that tends to moderate this problem.

OTOH, it's not that Paxil's a "bad drug"---it's the *least* likely of the SSRI's to make a bipolar patient go manic, so it can be safer for those bipolars who need an antidepressant than Prozac is.

It also depends a *lot* on the individual reaction to the drug.  People have very individual biochemistries and a lot of times medical treatment for psychiatric problems, for those of us who need it, is a very individual process of trial and error until the doctor finds the meds that work best with that particular patient with the fewest side effects.

However, NONE of these drugs should be given to unwilling pediatric patients by the kinds of unlicensed pseudo-shrinks that are hired to staff these schools.

[Deborah]

**However, NONE of these drugs should be given to unwilling pediatric patients by the kinds of unlicensed pseudo-shrinks that are hired to staff these schools.

You give them way too much credit by refering to them as "schools". They are teen warehousing facilties, behavior modification programs. Some happen to have an educational component- required when you house children 24/7. Continuing to refer to them as schools is to collude with the illusion they are selling.
Further, I'm very concerned about the spin on "emotional growth cirriculum"- attempt to blend psychiatry and education; and the creation of new licensing catagories that allow for these experimental programs.  
Deborah