Ellen Behren's Industry Study Funded by AEG

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The problem is that it's a large biased sample, as Behrens admitted when she was unable to explain why kids who went for one day did as well as kids who went for 24 months.

This is what I said.  I think we need a moderator to clean up your repetitive spam posting.  You were banned for that before, remember?

[Whooter]

No we don't.  Phase one only tells us that kids in programs say they are better.  

Welcome to the world of studies, DJ.  They can report on what people say...  At least you admit that the kids said they are better.

This was a big step.

Residential Treatment Outcome-Study



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[Anne Bonney]

No we don't.  Phase one only tells us that kids in programs say they are better.  

Welcome to the world of studies, DJ.  They can report on what people say...  At least you admit that the kids said they are better.

This was a big step.

Residential Treatment Outcome-Study

Because they know what will happen to them if they tell the truth. They''re desperate (edited to add: and will say whatever they need to in order to get out. That's what I did.

Oh....and those of you who think I'm a raging bitch?.......Guess where that came from? I was the most timid, shy little thing you'd ever meet before being sent away, but after Straight got through with me? Bitch on wheels. And I mean BITCH!! I swore that I would never let anyone speak to me again the way that those sadists did. And nobody does anymore, without getting a verbal shitstorm raining down on them. Straight certainly taught me how to go for the emotional juggular at people. I can unequivocally say (and my mother and even my dad would confrim this) that I was much, much worse when I came out than when I went in.

Ever heard how criminals in prison end up feeling like they're in a training camp for being a criminal? That's quite similar to how I felt after "graduating".

[Whooter]

The majority of male adolescents (66%) reported symptoms at
discharge that qualified them as “recovered”

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You mean the male adolescents that would say anything to manipulate their way out of the program?  The same kids who the researcher admits are strongly biased to "look good"?  

This represents the inherent weakness of this survey.  A clinical study would have ferreted out the biases and not leave the researcher guessing why kids did as well when they had one day of the program as 24 months.

[Whooter]

You mean the male adolescents that would say anything to manipulate their way out of the program?  The same kids who the researcher admits are strongly biased to "look good"?  

This represents the inherent weakness of this survey.  A clinical study would have ferreted out the biases and not leave the researcher guessing why kids did as well when they had one day of the program as 24 months.

I see it a little differently.  The kids who leave early  (say 6 months) may report the same results as the kids who stay the entire time.  This is due to that the majority of the change has occurred by then and the child appears to be better.  The time in the final phase of the programs is used to solidify the childs changes and prepare the child for the transition home.

Great discussion, DJ, I found this finding interesting myself.  I would like to see the kids fill these out at 3 month intervals to see if there is any variance from the onset to the 3 month mark and then again from the 6 month mark to the end of the program  (just purely from a reporting perspective to see how the kids feel they are benefiting and at what time along the time-line they wee this effect).

However, in this case, those who left against program advice left, on average, during
the last stage of treatment. Clinical staff in private residential care often devote the last few
weeks or months to consolidation of gains and transfer of skills. In essence, this last phase is
typically designed to solidify change. Parents and adolescents who discharge against program
advice during this last phase may not appreciate the need for continued care because problems
appear resolved.

p.14
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[Troll Control]

You mean the male adolescents that would say anything to manipulate their way out of the program?  The same kids who the researcher admits are strongly biased to "look good"?  

This represents the inherent weakness of this survey.  A clinical study would have ferreted out the biases and not leave the researcher guessing why kids did as well when they had one day of the program as 24 months.

The researcher said this.  The bias was so evident she put it right in the synopsis.  Take it up with her if you feel she should word it differently.  All we have to go on is her words indicating bias which I already quoted several times for you.

[SUCK IT]

The only fornits poster to ever make money off of troubled teens is Dysfunction Junction.

How much does it cost, exactly, to hire you to abuse kids?

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Take a look here, SUCK IT:

When is this supposed to take place?

Well the  announcement takes place after the lawyers sign off on the deal, but they usually wait until the transfer is ready to take place.
The legal transfer typically takes place at the beginning of the new quarter (or fiscal year).
So based on this I would expect the announcement would come at anytime and the transfer could occur on Tuesday October 1, 2007 or early January 2008.



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How is it that you are in a position to have knowledge about the acquisition of HLA?

I apologize for being vague, I have a fiduciary duty which prevents me from speaking in any specific terms in this area and can only comment on information which is first made public by either party involved,  this could be misconstrued as “Tippingâ€

Now that you know Whooter makes his living off Aspen Education, you can rescind your previous comment.  For someone who pretends to be "smart," you aren't, SUCK IT.  This sockpuppet is lame.

[SUCK IT]

I bet you made in the tens of thousands of dollars from your job abusing kids, right? Do the right thing and donate that money to fornits, unless you see no problem with keeping blood money .You should be ashamed

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Whooter has been busy impersonating a research scientist from Canyon Research.  Too much!

Are there any other groups anyone can suggest which would be help translate what Mark witnessed (fraud) by Aspen Education Group into a criminal or civil action?

This would be a good idea and would force many of these organizations like heal, issacorp,cafety and fornits to face the truth about what these studies have uncovered. If there were a civil suit then the studies could no longer be ignored by these people.

It amazes me why they chose to ignore information like this.  Their position is getting weaker and weaker as the industry grows yet they stay on their present course.  Why not try to get out and help some of these kids and their families.  It is a much more satisfying than trying to deceive people and tear them down.

It is because they work in half truths.  they dont want to accept the studies because it goes against what they are working towards.  Any type of study is going to damage them because the studies show the industry to be effective and safe every time.  
If you called Heal or the others and told them you were abused in a program they would take you at face value and report it as truth.  But on the other hand if you provide them with facts and studies they reject it and the information never gets reported.

Thank you for clearing this up. I will not continue to post here if the trolling doesn’t stop.  I came to fornits to discuss the canyon research study and no one here seems to be interested.  The other sites didn’t want the truth either.  Part of me thinks these sites are behind the trolling.  The study is valid and shows the programs to be extemely effective.

Mark DeGroot I couldn’t log in

Even signing "Mark DeGroot" at the bottom.

And again:

MARK: PLEASE CONTACT ISAC, HEAL, AND CAFETY.

I tried all of those organizations and none of them were interested in talking to me.  It seems they only wanted to hear negative things about the industry and disregarded any facts that I presented.  Then I come here to fornits and feel I am getting pushed out by all the trolling.
Why is this?  Why not have a valid discussion?

Mark DeGroot

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And here he's claiming again to be "Mark DeGroot" and feigning interest in Dave Marcus' book which he has pimped here for ears, but as "Mark DeGroot" he is keen to this "fresh information."  LOLS.

Try making a few posts that you were abused in a program and then try making a few posts that says you were helped by one or introduce a study. See if you are welcomed equally
Interesting to say the least.

Maybe it's time to move the only positive program reviews away from the referral pimp sites and just push it all out onto yelp. The good, the bad, the whatever.


Might as well. Consumer reviews and feedback are always fun to read.

Try looking at it from our point of view

Wow. Irony.

Imagine if a Pulitzer prized author decided to investigate the Industry and joins a peer group and lives at a program 24/7 for over a year and then writes a book about his findings.  Wouldn’t you think this would be valuable information?  Do you think it

I don’t understand why people would try to impersonate me and twist my words.  The last post used my name but was not written by me.  I thought by getting a user name this would stop.
The research done by Canyon Research and Consulting was a good solid study.  The people working there are dedicated and professional.  This attempt to damage their reputation and the results is appalling and void of any truth or bases.

And he even squeals with delight as a guest claiming "Whooter is watching from the sidelines."  How rich this is.

You're not fooling anyone, Whooter.  Every time you try to say "Brucie did it" it's a dead giveaway you're lying.  

Let's be clear:  TheWho stole Mark DeGroot's identity here on Fornits.  The guy guy logging in as "Mark DeGroot" is TheWho and then he tries to blame it on "Bruce".  Don't be scammed by TheWho.  And TheWho is John Reuben, so John Reuben does post here, he just does it posing as several other people, the latest is "Mark DeGroot" whose identity he assumed in the name of "adding balance to the discussion".

Sorry Bruce, but your writing style gives you away every time.  You always try to blame all the guest posts on thewho, aka Cindy, aka Rueben.  If it werent so funny it would be sad.
But I am with the other poster.  It is fun to watch and I am sure Whooter is getting a hoot watching all of this from the sidelines lol

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[SUCK IT]

Money doesn't abuse children, staffers do. You were payed well to abuse children, this is a fact you have already admitted to. Tell us, how much blood money did you manage to pocket? Do you ever consider donating that blood money to a survivors fund?

[RobertBruce]

Because they know what will happen to them if they tell the truth. They''re desperate (edited to add: and will say whatever they need to in order to get out. That's what I did.

Us too. Suck it, you remember what it was like don't you? Whenever the ed cons would show up, they would hide away the bad (honest) kids, and only put forward the ones who would say what they told them to say.

Suck it, tell us again what program you were in?

[Whooter]

Because they know what will happen to them if they tell the truth. They''re desperate (edited to add: and will say whatever they need to in order to get out. That's what I did.

Us too. Suck it, you remember what it was like don't you? Whenever the ed cons would show up, they would hide away the bad (honest) kids, and only put forward the ones who would say what they told them to say.

Suck it, tell us again what program you were in?

Look, DJ  eeeerrrr I mean, Bruce,  I dont think he will fall for your tricks.



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[RobertBruce]

Are you talking to DJ or me? And what tricks are you refering to?