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Quote...the only information available about most of these programs comes from their own marketing efforts and there is no systematic, independently collected descriptive or outcome data on these programs.I think the point the good doctor was making is that the study you keep referring to was not independent nor valid, but rather a marketing tool. I tend to believe bonafide psychologists over Aspen marketers.
...the only information available about most of these programs comes from their own marketing efforts and there is no systematic, independently collected descriptive or outcome data on these programs.
We have come a long way. A few weeks ago many people had never heard of the Residential Treatment Outcome Study performed by Canyon Research. They looked at close to 1,000 children and families and found that the programs studied where up to 80% effective.Dysfunction junction and myself managed to put the spot light on this study over the past day or two and were able to nail down that the study was indeed independent and was overseen by an independent third party in the form of a Review Board (WIRB). From WIRB’s documents:The IRB also reviews the consent form (which they did for the Aspen Study) for the research to make sure that it is accurate. If it approves the research, the IRB continues to review the ongoing research after it starts. (This is called oversight).WIRB reviewed the consent forms and approved the study and issued “Certificates of approval” as was pointed out in the study itself and presented to the APA.Here are some supportive links and information as we stand today:Residential Treatment Outcome-Study Canyon Research & Consulting: Independent research company that conducted the study. ** Western Institutional Review Board: Independent board that approved research and audited the study.The Western Institutional Review Board approved consent/assent forms and issued Certificates of Approval for the study.Here are copies of their "Certificate of Approval" formsSample 1Sample 2at the bottom of page 2 it states:Federal regulations require that WIRB conduct continuing review of approved research. You will receive ContinuingReview Report forms from WIRB. These reports must be returned even though your study may not have started.The above study was presented at the American Psychological Association (APA) conference 2006. ** As a disclaimer Dysfunction Junction of fornits was mistaken the first time when he said WIRB never heard of the study. What he meant was he called WIRB and they did hear of the study but said they only approved the Questionnaire. So we need to consider DJs' input/opinion against the published facts....
Do you realize that you are perhaps, the biggest liar I ever met?Whooter, just an ordinary man, whose daughter went to a program, and now spends the rest of his life fighting for programs.. Give me a fucking break. You must think we are all the stupidest fucking people in the world.You're like a walking infomercial.Paul
Quote from: "DannyB II"The poster who is tormenting whooter right now (Elan Graduate) is non other then "Felice Eliscu" who is feeling very poorly today. She thinks if she humiliates Whooter and Danny that this will somehow help her compensate for her low self esteem, right now.I have tried to enlighten Felice that this negative attitude only brings about more negative energy.SORRY LOSER I GOT THE BOOT.KICKED OUT86'DI COULD BUST OUT MY BABBELON FOR YA YOU WANT ME JUST ADMIT IT.YOU LAY AWAKE AT NIGHT WHACKING OFF AT THE THOUGHT OF MY CARTOON CROTCHC'MON IN JOIN THE GANG. ::evil:: I BET YOU THINK YOU ARE SOME TALENTED WIZZARD OR SOMETHING................I DON'T GAMBLE...TOO BAD. :rose:
The poster who is tormenting whooter right now (Elan Graduate) is non other then "Felice Eliscu" who is feeling very poorly today. She thinks if she humiliates Whooter and Danny that this will somehow help her compensate for her low self esteem, right now.I have tried to enlighten Felice that this negative attitude only brings about more negative energy.
Okay, so let's say that's not my real name, which it is..but for arguments sake, let's say not....that makes it okay, that every thing you represent about yourself here, is a lie... I don t think so...I think it leaves you with zero credibility....Paul St. John
Quote from: "Paul St. John"Okay, so let's say that's not my real name, which it is..but for arguments sake, let's say not....that makes it okay, that every thing you represent about yourself here, is a lie... I don t think so...I think it leaves you with zero credibility....Paul St. JohnWow.. How d I miss this?Same with you, why should we believe that you are a survivor? A survivor of anything! Where is your credibility? You don t have to believe me.. I don t care. I think most poeple do, but if you don t want to, that s your choice. I don t care if you believe me..I'm Just saying you you are a fucking liar. You go around here attacking everyone and then try to make us believe you were a victim of attacks yourself. You snub your nose at the truth.... It doesnt add up. Your story is weak and filled with discrepancies that dont hold up.I would guess you never heard of the TTI and that you are just here for the drama.You can guess whatever you want. You are still a liar and a fraud. Although... I don t know that I attack EVERYBODY. It's more like I am an antibiotic, attacking viruses, like you.Paul St. John......
Quote from: "Paul St. John"Okay, so let's say that's not my real name, which it is..but for arguments sake, let's say not....that makes it okay, that every thing you represent about yourself here, is a lie... I don t think so...I think it leaves you with zero credibility....Paul St. JohnYou really are "not so bright" when your upset, Paul. He is not questioning the validity of your name. We all know it is your name, yet you come across as the Pope of fornits (I like the Prince of Fornits, myself).Paul, do you really believe you have the higher ground here on Fornits.
That's correct, Paul. The guy who posts as "Whooter" also has several other aliases he uses on Fornits to try to disguise his lunacy and idiocy. "Whooter" is the Aspen marketing persona and he uses his other aliases to do the "dirty work" like making jokes about kids who were raped. He's really a sick, twisted person.
