Do you think programs help troubled teens?

[Anonymous]

No, I dont agree here. The well adjusted kids are unphased by all of it and just focus in on their academics and serve as a good model to the kids who are acting out and at-risk. This is good exposure for the well adjusted kids because it pulls them out of their books just enough for them to experience life around them. It serves as a very good balance for everyone.

You are assuming there are academics at these places.  The truth is that the education is subpar, usually taught by unlicensed, uncertificated staff with nobody  caring or requiring lesson plans etc.   Kids are not allowed enough time to get into their books so ther is nothing to pull them out.  They re too busy doing meaningless menial tasks or being ripped apart in raps, in "profeet" type workshops.  No way do they let any kid have time on their own to "get into" anything.

I do agree that it would be good for "troubled" ( I mean kids who have troubles, not are troubles)
to have exposure to 'well-adjusted" kids I think  that can be done without imprisoning the "well-adjusted" kids.    If its such a good idea then why don't we lock you up (assuming you are "well-adjusted" ) so you can be a good example to bubba and his crew?  You will be unphased by it all and be a good role model.  It will pull you out just enough to experience life around you.

[Anonymous]

I know 5 CALO graduates who have nothing but positive things to say about CALO.

[psy]

I know 5 CALO graduates who have nothing but positive things to say about CALO.

And that's still anecdotal evidence.
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[Anonymous]

Hello,

I was reading this thread earlier.  It is clear many of you still have anger towards abusive programs.  CALO was established by professionals who have a record of helping troubled teens become successful in life.  CALO graduates hold steady jobs, have good relationships with their parents and are drug/alcohol free.  I am saddened by the anger you have towards staff that helped you.

Landon Kirk

[Whooter]

You are assuming there are academics at these places. The truth is that the education is subpar, usually taught by unlicensed, uncertificated staff with nobody caring or requiring lesson plans etc. Kids are not allowed enough time to get into their books so ther is nothing to pull them out. They re too busy doing meaningless menial tasks or being ripped apart in raps, in "profeet" type workshops. No way do they let any kid have time on their own to "get into" anything.

The schools not only provide an education they bring kids up to their highest level.  95% of the Kids get accepted to their first or second choice of college and some classes have attained 100%.

I do agree that it would be good for "troubled" ( I mean kids who have troubles, not are troubles)
to have exposure to 'well-adjusted" kids I think that can be done without imprisoning the "well-adjusted" kids. If its such a good idea then why don't we lock you up (assuming you are "well-adjusted" ) so you can be a good example to bubba and his crew? You will be unphased by it all and be a good role model. It will pull you out just enough to experience life around you.

Yes, but it is good for the ones who are struggling and the ones who are not get plenty of time to do what they do well... study and get ready for college.

[Whooter]

I know 5 CALO graduates who have nothing but positive things to say about CALO.

And that's still anecdotal evidence.

It is, I agree, but there is nothing wrong with anecdotal evidence in the absence of any other types.  It is widely used and accepted here on fornits.

[Anonymous]

I know CALO #17 lies about CALO.  He wants to paint a bad picture for the school which helps the "fornits cause."

[Anonymous]

I know CALO #17 lies about CALO.  He wants to paint a bad picture for the school which helps the "fornits cause."

are you a student at CALO?

[Troll Control]

Geesh, people.  This thread is simply TheWho's response to gettting fully owned in the Aspen threads du jour.  All he wants is to muddy the waters here and let the Aspen topics fade back into the pack.  So he engages you on a topic so stupid that it makes everyone who replies seriously to it look stupid, which is his plan.  Good luck with that.  But I'd rather you spend this time in the Aspen threads, which are meritorious in a factual sense, and keep bashing this guy's head in where it matters.  For him this thread is just to catch his breath and have a drink before he goes back to work.

He loves Aspen more than he loved his now deceased child, folks.  Hit him where it hurts, right in the Aspens.

[Anonymous]

Doesn't matter.  We have this nifty thing here in America called the Constitution.  Maybe you should pick up a copy.  Pay special attention to the parts regarding the right to security of person and possessions (4th amendment), the right to be protected against cruel and unusual punishment (8th amendment), and the right to equal protection under the law.  (14th amendment)  Whether or not the programs are "good" for teens doesn't matter.  They're unconstitutional.  End of debate, fuck you, thanks for trying.

And don't be fooled by the supposedly "compassionate liberal" fucksticks who tell you the programs are for the "common good".  Guess who else operated re-education camps for the "common good".  Mao, asshole.  He also killed 30 million people.  And you know who else valued (or claimed to value) the common good over the basic human rights of individuals?  Nearly every self-serving, genocidal despot in the history of human civilization.  

Anyone who supports programs doesn't support freedom, and is ultimately an anti-individualistic, sociopathic asshole.  Why don't you just move to China and see how well this sort of shit works if you like it so much?

[Whooter]

The right to security of person and possessions

This applies if you kid is stealing stuff from the house and selling it for drug money.

the right to be protected against cruel and unusual punishment

This applies to parents having to endure hours of an out of control kid screaming until 3 am because they dont want to live by the family rules.

and the right to equal protection under the law.

This applies to the siblings of the at risk kid who should be protected from hypos being scattered about the living room.

So bottom line is the programs insure that everyone’s rights are protected.  Without them this would be no better than China where people don’t care about each other’s rights.

[Anonymous]

If your 'child' (I put the word child in quotes because chances are he's a biological adult and no I don't give a fuck what the government says on the subject so don't try that "he's not 18" bullshit here) he should be tried, sentenced, and if found guilty, sent to a traditional correctional facility.  Instead, you jumped the gun, denied him his right to a fair trail, (6th amendment) and subjected him to much more brutal treatment than any correctional facility, including adult prisons. (8th and 14th)  Instead of doing things right, you assume that you're special and the rules don't apply to you.  Of course, if you weren't an abject failure as a parent, as well as a probable mental defective, maybe you wouldn't have these problems.

[seamus]

Fucking define help. Do you mean learning to do all that others demand? How to "behave"? pfftttt..... :bs:

[Whooter]

If your 'child' (I put the word child in quotes because chances are he's a biological adult and no I don't give a fuck what the government says on the subject so don't try that "he's not 18" bullshit here) he should be tried, sentenced, and if found guilty, sent to a traditional correctional facility.  Instead, you jumped the gun, denied him his right to a fair trail, (6th amendment) and subjected him to much more brutal treatment than any correctional facility, including adult prisons. (8th and 14th)  Instead of doing things right, you assume that you're special and the rules don't apply to you.  Of course, if you weren't an abject failure as a parent, as well as a probable mental defective, maybe you wouldn't have these problems.

Ask any kid you know if they would rather be in a correctional facility, prison or a program and every single one would choose a program hands down.  Hell they can all go to prison if they just break the rules in the program, break into the offices at night and destroy stuff ec.  But they chose to stay and get an education and better themselves than go to prison.

You have a lot to learn my friend.

[Troll Control]

Whooter, your arguments are tissue-thin.  Really, how many kids in programs were such bad addicts they left "hypos laying around the livingroom"?  I'd wager very, very few, if any.  And if they this bad off, why would you send them to a program and not a hospital?  It just doesn't make sense.  And then we get down to the brass tacks:  Your programs (Aspen programs) don't provide any treatment.  They argued in court using an expert witness to dispute the assertion that they provide treatment.

You've been hard at it for days now.  Obsessing.  Compulsing.  You've gotten too sloppy with too much on your plate.  Aspen already admitted they don't do therapy or treatment, so why send a kid there?