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Re: Rocklyn academy- "Dr" Darryl Williams
« Reply #60 on: September 01, 2009, 04:40:47 PM »
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itsastart: what you are inferring is that Williams has a criminal record, that Rocklyn didn’t do a check, and that the ministry hasn’t inspected.

So back to my original question, what exactly do you know?
Sounds to me like visitor is inferring quite a bit, not itsastart.

I could well be wrong, but my impression from itsastart's post was that it implied that Darryl Williams might be getting a criminal record in the future, given the failure of his bovine enterprise, and the financial fallout farmers and possibly other businesses in the community have suffered as a direct consequence of Grey-Bruce Beef Marketing Ltd.'s failure to pay its bills. And that this may subsequently interfere with any career aspirations he may harbor with regard to continuing to work with minors, as he has been doing, for a number of years, whilst employed at Rocklyn Academy.

The criminal allegations with regard to Grey-Bruce Marketing Ltd.'s endeavors have all been detailed quite copiously in numerous news articles earlier in this thread, including a copy and link to the police news release detailing his arrest on August 12, 2009.

The question of whether or not Williams already has a criminal record, whether or not Rocklyn did do a check, and whether or not the ministry has inspected ... is another kettle of fish entirely. But certainly one worth checking... Thanks for bringing it up!
Ursus,

I just hope you never end up on a jury because I don’t believe you could be impartial drawing conclusions the way you do.  The more you ramble and speculate the more life you give to the uncontrolled, unfounded and vicious abuse rampant throughout these threads.

It’s the conjecture and actions of this mindset, which brought about the injustices to the likes of the David Milgaard’s, Jean Paul Moran’s and the late Donald Marshall.

You’re certainly not contributing anything constructive here, and if you feel compelled or find it empowering to continue perpetrating through your un-moderated posts then please seek professional help.

I’m speculating that there have been hundreds, perhaps thousands, of successful Rocklyn graduates who completed the full program over the years. It’s a shame that there are none of them here providing balance to the voice of the few malcontents, but chances are they have a life.
LOL... Are you attempting to apply the standards of testimony in a court of law to that of a friggin' discussion forum, the latter being precisely where people do tend to speculate, and do compare notes, research, and personal investigations in their attempts to arrive at the truth of a matter? Yep, that IS precisely what people tend to do in discussion, visitor. If you feel differently, or if you have facts or speculation contrary to those posted, you are, of course, most welcome to contribute those to the discussion!

Speaking of speculation, I do appreciate your having noted as such ... your depiction of "hundreds, perhaps thousands, of successful Rocklyn graduates who completed the full program over the years." Given that Rocklyn Academy only has about 2-3 dozen girls there at any given time, that only a certain percentage of those are in a position to complete the program each year (in 2005, there were 7 graduates), and that Rocklyn was founded only a decade ago, I find the depiction of thousands of successful Rocklyn graduates to be rather unrealistic. Do the math. You are conjuring up an image of more girls than Rocklyn has ever enrolled, let alone graduated, in the course of its entire existence ... by several orders of magnitude.
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Re: Rocklyn academy- "Dr" Darryl Williams
« Reply #61 on: September 01, 2009, 05:36:38 PM »
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Can someone give me a short explanation as to how some guy running a program is about to get himself cornholed in a Canadian pokey for some sort of wrong doings with meat packing?

Though.. the irony of a guy who is going to get his ass packed for criminal meat packing...

errr.. ignore that last line..

Once upon a time, about three years ago, in addition to being Admissions Director et al at Rocklyn Academy, Darryl Williams ran a feed store with business partner Mark Kuglin called All County Feed and Grains.

At some point, Williams and Kuglin thought it would be a good idea if farmers fed their cows a "natural" predominately grain diet (I imagine ideally, and perhaps explicitly, purchased from All County Feed and Grains), and that the meat from these cows could then be marketed as a more upscale product. Williams and Kuglin then founded another business, Grey Bruce Beef Marketing Ltd., to handle said marketing. (Btw, cows have evolved as foraging browsers and do not "naturally" eat a lot of grain.).

The idea was sold to the community as a boost to the local economy. "We're trying to do our part to preserve a way of life here. Farmers are the heroes. They have been taking all these knocks for years," said Kuglin in a Meaford Express article from May, 2008. Williams and Kuglin promised the farmers a very attractive price per cow. From the same article:

    "The farmers are making a decent profit per animal. Those that have seen it are believers. We want to continue to flow profitability to the farmers," said Williams.

    "Our farmers are entitled to a decent profit for a good product," Kuglin added.
    [/list]

    In order to qualify their cows for later Grey Bruce Beef Marketing purchase, farmers had to enter into an agreement with Williams and Kuglin regarding the cows' diet. Certainly, verification had to be done somehow, to ensure that these cows were fed a predominately grain diet as specified. One such way could potentially entail attaching a certain amount of grain purchase per cow to the later transaction of meat to be marketed, although this is pure speculation on my part. From the same article:

      Kuglin explained that animals in their program stick to a strict regiment for how they're fed and raised. Cattle on the program are naturally grain-fed, they are hormone-free, they are antibiotic-free and they are implant-free. All producers of the All County Feed Program comply with strict on-farm audited feed, husbandry and animal management guidelines.[/list]

      Anyway, a number of farmers signed up for this program. Cattle raised on this predominately grain diet were subsequently sold to Grey Bruce Beef Marketing, slaughtered, and their meat marketed. And then ... a number of farmers did not got paid for their cows. One family is out over $100,000, according to at least one article. That's a hefty sucker punch to a family that makes its living off the land like that.

      From what I can tell, neither All County Feed and Grains nor Grey Bruce Beef Marketing Ltd. are currently in business. The O.P.P. seems to think that what transpired was fraud (to the tune of somewhat over $750,000).

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      What does all this have to do with Rocklyn Academy? What indeed, does an Admissions Director actually do at one of these "emotional growth" schools if not ... market? Heck, Darryl Williams even makes note of it in his credentials on Rocklyn Academy's staff page:

        Darryl Williams
        D.Sc. (Medicine), M.B.A. (Marketing)
        Admissions Officer[/list]

        If goods and services are alleged to be "not as advertised" in one arena of a professional marketer's life, not to mention charges of fraud involving over three-quarters of a million dollars, what are we to think of their other endeavors? Inquiring minds want to know.  :D
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        Re: Rocklyn academy- "Dr" Darryl Williams
        « Reply #62 on: September 01, 2009, 09:10:11 PM »
        Identifying bear poop:
        Bears are opportunists able to easily prey upon the vulnerable, and they even scavenge carrion.
        Learning to identify ‘scat’ can help keep innocent and defenseless people a safe distance away because bears will attack out of predatory behavior.
        A scoop from this thread uncovers that there has been an omnivorous one foraging in a range of fiction.
        There are over 3,700 signs a bear has been in these woods. What is left behind can tell a lot about what they've been doing.
        Proliferations of droppings have been contributed to compost here and the defamatory grounds for libel have been well fertilized.
        Perhaps it’s a good thing that a bear can run about 50 yards in about 3 seconds; it might prevent them becoming trapped.
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        Re: Rocklyn academy- "Dr" Darryl Williams
        « Reply #63 on: September 01, 2009, 10:15:20 PM »
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        Ursus,

        I just hope you never end up on a jury because I don’t believe you could be impartial drawing conclusions the way you do.  The more you ramble and speculate the more life you give to the uncontrolled, unfounded and vicious abuse rampant throughout these threads.

        It’s the conjecture and actions of this mindset, which brought about the injustices to the likes of the David Milgaard’s, Jean Paul Moran’s and the late Donald Marshall.

        You’re certainly not contributing anything constructive here, and if you feel compelled or find it empowering to continue perpetrating through your un-moderated posts then please seek professional help.

        I’m speculating that there have been hundreds, perhaps thousands, of successful Rocklyn graduates who completed the full program over the years. It’s a shame that there are none of them here providing balance to the voice of the few malcontents, but chances are they have a life.

        If you check either of the Rocklyn Academy groups on Facebook I doubt you'll find a single positive comment from any of their alumni whether or not they graduated.

        http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group ... 2233949078
        http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group ... 2235204039

        In fact, the general consensus in the group is that Rocklyn was extremely unhelpful, scammed them out of thousands of dollars and ended up making life a lot worse for them. The alumni I have spoken to in person share that opinion. Between this forum and the facebook groups (not mentioning the alumni I spoke to as you are unable to verify what I've heard) this makes dozens of girls if not a hundred. That can hardly be considered a "few malcontents". The fact that not a single alumni said anything positive among all the negative posts is worth noting.
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        Re: Ah... binnis, my favorite subject!
        « Reply #64 on: September 02, 2009, 05:43:03 PM »
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        Identifying bear poop:
        Bears are opportunists able to easily prey upon the vulnerable, and they even scavenge carrion.
        Learning to identify ‘scat’ can help keep innocent and defenseless people a safe distance away because bears will attack out of predatory behavior.
        A scoop from this thread uncovers that there has been an omnivorous one foraging in a range of fiction.
        There are over 3,700 signs a bear has been in these woods. What is left behind can tell a lot about what they've been doing.
        Proliferations of droppings have been contributed to compost here and the defamatory grounds for libel have been well fertilized.
        Perhaps it’s a good thing that a bear can run about 50 yards in about 3 seconds; it might prevent them becoming trapped.
        Lol, such a clever Thriver! Whilst flattery may get ya a wee ways, my guess is said gains ... will not be far enough!  :D

        Piece of advice: if you choose to level charges of libel, ya might want to be more specific. Otherwise, you just come off as a random bully (though I did appreciate the binnis references).
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        Farmers crying foul after being bilked
        « Reply #65 on: September 02, 2009, 05:45:56 PM »
        Onwards with the show... Another radio news snippet:

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        Farmers crying foul after being bilked of nearly one million dollars
        The Canadian Press   | Thursday, August 13th, 2009 4:55 am

        Grey County O-P-P allege farmers were not paid for product sold to slaughterhouses and feed companies.

        Two people from Grey Bruce Beef Marketing and All County Feed and Grains have been charged with fraud. O-P-P Constable Steve Starr says police have had an eye on the issue since January. The victims are mostly beef producers from Bruce, Grey and Wellington Counties. Mark Kuglin of Meaford and Darryl Williams of Chatsworth have both been charged with 13 counts of fraud over five thousand dollars.


        © 2009 Rogers Communications.
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        Re: Rocklyn academy- "Dr" Darryl Williams
        « Reply #66 on: September 03, 2009, 04:14:57 AM »
        Reminds me of the time the US government brought down Al Capone by getting him for income tax evasion.
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        Re: Rocklyn academy- "Dr" Darryl Williams
        « Reply #67 on: September 03, 2009, 09:52:01 AM »
        I hope that talk is not cheap and that formal complaints really will be filed to the appropriate authorities.

        No parent will sue: the damage is done and rather than wasting time, money and energy on the past they should focus on the future for their their troubled daughter. Also, sue whom?  The owners of the school are up over their heads in debt. A lawsuit will serve no one but the lawyers.

        There is no denying that the school has helped some girls: not all reviews/reports are negative. The Governor General's Award is achieved through hard work and congratulations to the girls who achieved that, and to those who have gone on to post secondary institutions as well.

        Rocklyn has only been open for 10 years: max. 25 girls in residence - to help even one is more than most of us do in a lifetime.

        What is lacking is accountability - where is the board of governors?

        A "for profit" theraputic school ... hmmm ...

        Ontario has no guidelines for psychotherapy - maybe it is time.
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        Re: Rocklyn academy- "Dr" Darryl Williams
        « Reply #68 on: September 03, 2009, 04:56:26 PM »
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        I hope that talk is not cheap and that formal complaints really will be filed to the appropriate authorities.

        No parent will sue: the damage is done and rather than wasting time, money and energy on the past they should focus on the future for their their troubled daughter. Also, sue whom?  The owners of the school are up over their heads in debt. A lawsuit will serve no one but the lawyers.

        There is no denying that the school has helped some girls: not all reviews/reports are negative. The Governor General's Award is achieved through hard work and congratulations to the girls who achieved that, and to those who have gone on to post secondary institutions as well.

        Rocklyn has only been open for 10 years: max. 25 girls in residence - to help even one is more than most of us do in a lifetime.

        What is lacking is accountability - where is the board of governors?

        A "for profit" theraputic school ... hmmm ...

        Ontario has no guidelines for psychotherapy - maybe it is time.

        The Governor General's award has nothing to do with Rocklyn itself. It is given to the grad with the highest average automatically from any school in Ontario. Rocklyn's academic credits are granted from the Ministry-though the school's therapeutic(questionably) and living conditions, discipline programs are not overseen by any government body.

        To help even one girl? At the cost of the trauma to the other 24? And the success of one girl could be due to numerous other factors. Some people are resilient. And there are no studies to indicate what the long term effects could be.

        Guidleines are there for liscenced facilities for mental health-unfortununatly there are not enough beds for the good programs . The govt needs to invest in mental health programs for youth and guide families in getting real help.

        At Rocklyn, though they claim otherwise they will admit everything from drug issues, psychosis, OCD, bipolar,anger issues, problems with adoptions, depression, ADHD, cutting and self-mutilation. Some kids, according to my daughter were there because their parents freaked out that they were gay, were smoking pot, failing school and were otherwise totally normal kids. No one there has the education or medical expertise to be dealing with any of this.

        And parents are apparently suing.
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        Re: Rocklyn academy- "Dr" Darryl Williams
        « Reply #69 on: September 04, 2009, 02:57:58 AM »
        Quote from: "Che Gookin"
        Reminds me of the time the US government brought down Al Capone by getting him for income tax evasion.
        Aye! It's not always the front door that's left open to the fresh air!  :D
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        Re: Rocklyn academy- "Dr" Darryl Williams
        « Reply #70 on: September 04, 2009, 03:23:10 AM »
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        Quote from: "guest1"
        There is no denying that the school has helped some girls: not all reviews/reports are negative. The Governor General's Award is achieved through hard work and congratulations to the girls who achieved that, and to those who have gone on to post secondary institutions as well.
        The Governor General's award has nothing to do with Rocklyn itself. It is given to the grad with the highest average automatically from any school in Ontario. Rocklyn's academic credits are granted from the Ministry-though the school's therapeutic(questionably) and living conditions, discipline programs are not overseen by any government body.

        To help even one girl? At the cost of the trauma to the other 24? And the success of one girl could be due to numerous other factors. Some people are resilient. And there are no studies to indicate what the long term effects could be.
        IMHO, gaming the system in a "positive peer culture" environment like Rocklyn Academy requires either great naivete and good luck as far as the personality mix goes, subjugation of all critical thinking skills, and/or cynical ruthlessness and promotion of self-interest at all costs.

        Whichever way, it is hardly a healthy recipe for fostering long-term self respect, navigation tools for the real world, or a robust mental health that will carry you through the bad times with a modicum of dignity at some later date ... regardless of whether ya ended up at the head of the pack or in a position of spurious ignominy as far as Rocklyn is concerned.
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        Fraud charges laid in failed 'local' beef marketing venture
        « Reply #71 on: September 04, 2009, 04:50:49 PM »
        Another recent article...

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        Fraud charges laid in failed 'local' beef marketing venture
        August 18, 2009

        All County Feed & Grain owners owed producers more than $500,000

        by BETTER FARMING STAFF



        Grey County OPP have charged two men with 13 counts of fraud over $5,000 in connection with a failed beef marketing venture but there’s no word yet whether producers, owed more than half a million dollars, will get their money back.

        On Aug. 6, police arrested Mark Kuglin, 38, of Meaford and released him the same day with an undertaking – conditions that govern the terms of his release. Kuglin is scheduled to appear in the Owen Sound Ontario Court of Justice on Oct. 22.

        Arrested Aug. 12, Darryl Williams, 57, of Chatsworth Township remains in custody. He is scheduled to appear via video for a bail hearing in Owen Sound on Thursday.

        In 2006 Williams and Kuglin established All County Feed & Grain Ltd., which sold cattle and horse feeds and supplements.

        In April 2008, they launched Grey-Bruce Beef Marketing Ltd. The venture offered big prices for cattle raised on “an all-natural diet,” free of antibiotics and growth hormones. They planned to sell locally produced beef to Ontario restaurants, stores and food services.

        On Sept. 22 the business’ provincial cattle dealing license, issued June 16, 2008, was revoked because All County failed to pay producers. All County closed the doors of its Markdale area location in January.

        On Jan. 7, Kuglin told Better Farming the venture ran into trouble in the summer of 2008. Customers receiving a big shipment of meat intended for festivals in Ottawa refused to pay for it in full, he said.

        Kuglin said he was a minority shareholder in the limited company and was forced out in December. Documents filed when the company was incorporated in December, 2006, list Williams as its president, secretary and treasurer.

        In a recent news release Grey OPP Const. Steve Starr said police began an investigation in January following a complaint alleging that farmers had not been paid for their products.

        The news release said the alleged frauds took place in 2008 and affected beef producers in Grey, Bruce and Wellington Counties as well as a feed supply company in Waterloo Region. Police estimate the amount of the 13 alleged frauds to be more than $750,000.

        Brent Ross, a spokesperson for the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs, said 15 claims totaling $528,769.68 have been filed against All County with the Ontario Beef Cattle Financial Protection Program.

        The provincially administered program licenses cattle dealers and maintains a financial protection fund that compensates producers for most of their losses when a licensed dealer defaults on payment.

        Ross said the Livestock Financial Protection Board has investigated the claims and a decision is pending. No date has yet been set for the board’s final deliberations. The board will inform the claimants of its decision in writing.

        Asked if either the board or the Ministry was involved in the OPP investigation, Ross said he could not comment because the case was before the courts.

        Police continue to investigate and urge anyone with information to contact Grey County OPP or Crime Stoppers. BF


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        Is Darryl Williams practicing medicine?
        « Reply #72 on: September 06, 2009, 11:05:15 AM »
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        His actual degree (providing he didn't lie on the Rocklyn staff page which is now gone) is a D.Sc. (Medicine)
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Science
        It's an academic research degree as stated in the link. There is no practical compnent and he is in no way at all qualified to practice medicine on humans or animals.It's the scientific equivilent of a PhD. It doesn't matter if your PhD is in psychology it's not a medical degree you can'tt prescribe antidepressants or practice any medicine. Since he appears so keen to study and practice medicine one has to wonder what prevented him from getting into medical school.
        Yet ... is he charging parents for his medical expertise? This young woman's parents seem to have been charged:

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        Post #19 XXXXXXX wrote on August 28, 2009

          my parent's got charged doctor fees from darryl when i talked to him when i was very sick

          also, i left early and they didn't give all of our money back..

          they refused to give me a heater when my room was freezing and i was cold and sleep deprived for like 4weeks[/list]
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          Re: Is Darryl Williams practicing medicine?
          « Reply #73 on: September 06, 2009, 12:12:05 PM »
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          Quote from: "Guest"
          His actual degree (providing he didn't lie on the Rocklyn staff page which is now gone) is a D.Sc. (Medicine)
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Science
          It's an academic research degree as stated in the link. There is no practical compnent and he is in no way at all qualified to practice medicine on humans or animals.It's the scientific equivilent of a PhD. It doesn't matter if your PhD is in psychology it's not a medical degree you can'tt prescribe antidepressants or practice any medicine. Since he appears so keen to study and practice medicine one has to wonder what prevented him from getting into medical school.
          Yet ... is he charging parents for his medical expertise? This young woman's parents seem to have been charged:

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          Post #19 XXXXXXX wrote on August 28, 2009

            my parent's got charged doctor fees from darryl when i talked to him when i was very sick

            also, i left early and they didn't give all of our money back..

            they refused to give me a heater when my room was freezing and i was cold and sleep deprived for like 4weeks[/list]

            I think I'm coming down with some sort of nasty virus. Maybe I'll go talk to my friend, he has a PhD in philosophy. PhD = "doctor", he must know exactly what's wrong with me and how to fix it.
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            Re: Is Darryl Williams practicing medicine?
            « Reply #74 on: September 08, 2009, 01:51:03 AM »
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            my parent's got charged doctor fees from darryl when i talked to him when i was very sick
            If this young woman's parents got charged fees for Darryl Williams "attending to her" when she was sick, and he does not have a medical degree nor license to practice medicine, does this constitute a form of fraud?
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