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Offline Anonymous

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« Reply #75 on: September 04, 2003, 11:19:00 PM »
Melissa, you're not the one from Fountain Hills are you?   :question:
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« Reply #76 on: September 05, 2003, 12:31:00 AM »
No, I'm from SCL
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« Reply #77 on: February 11, 2004, 02:25:00 PM »
okay, i didnt even read all 8 pages of this but i can already see that this has turned from a page where a mother posted on the abuse of her child in the program and the letters he sent home, it was debated and found out it was true. it has by page 8 turned into PURE VS WWASP PARENTS VS KIDS, when it should be parents and kids vs pure and wwasp.  no matter what program your child was or is in. he or she may be in great danger. many students ( me being one of ) can go to the program and get by, not get abused physically and not be raped but each child is told is small and large ways that he or she is not loved and that we are shit for being sent away yet they try in the later levels reiterate that you are GOOD, i was there for 27 months and coming out i didnt see all the bad anymore. i just wanted to put it all behind me. i can say i am strong and i can handle hard situations, alot of kids are not quite capable of making what is, reality. alot crumble. my best advice is to find a rehab/ center that is AMERICAN and within the us goverment. ONE MORE POINT HIGH IMPACT AND DUNDEE RANCH WERE BOTH SHUT DOWN, HOW COME NOONE STOPS THEM FROM RE- OPENING WHY CANT WWASP BE STOPPED THEY ARE ALL PART OF EACH OTHER TEENHELP, WWASP, BRIGHTWAY HOSPITAL, BROWNING ACADEMY, BELLE ACADEMY ARE ALL PART OR IN TWINE WITH EACH OTHER.
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« Reply #78 on: February 11, 2004, 02:38:00 PM »
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. it has by page 8 turned into PURE VS WWASP PARENTS VS KIDS, when it should be parents and kids vs pure and wwasp.

 :nworthy:  :flame:  
And last but not least, the a-hole smugly waving:  :wave:
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« Reply #79 on: February 15, 2004, 10:13:00 PM »
/bump
This is a good thread if you read back through it...it started a while ago..whatever happened to MelissaR?
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« Reply #80 on: February 19, 2004, 09:13:00 PM »
[ This Message was edited by: warriorprincess on 2004-02-19 18:58 ]
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« Reply #81 on: February 19, 2004, 09:14:00 PM »
The below post if what i am referring to in my post above:


came upon a few of the letters home from my son. i went to their bbs, it made me feel somewhat better that others missed their child too. i was told not to be manipulated, this was always the initial reaction b/c they think mommy/daddy are coming to take them home, and until they believe that you arean't they won't "work the program" and that it would "get better in time",
here are some excerpts:

"this is so hard for me. pls tell them you need to talk to me on the phone"
"please, i miss you so much i cant stop crying"
"you mean more than anything to me, i have never been so depressed in my life, it is very important that I get a counselor to talk to, i will try my hardest to do good but i need your help"
the letters dont get better, but deteriorate from there, the handwriting is not on line paper and the words cascade downward toward end of each line
""i'm trying to deal with some of my problems, i never told yu when i was home but i think i'm schizophrenic"
"in your letter please tell me how much you love me"
"i feel empty inside and don't know how to get rid of it, i don't think i can"
this of course is all manipulation. these letters have nothing to do with the fact that a staff member threatened to rape him, alarms were going off all night, being punched in the chest was being "consequenced", told that he was "damaged goods" and "you are in fact a bad kid and i don't know if your mom will want to come and get you, even if you do graduate the program" (more love and affection from the caring staff, of course)
I never heard the expression "tea bag" until my son came home. thats what the staff member said he wanted to do to my son. this makes me sick and angry as hell.

little did i know. . . in my letters i tell him how much i love him and that i'm trying to HELP him, that i would never put him in DANGER. . . little did i know.
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« Reply #82 on: February 20, 2004, 01:51:00 PM »
Were you trying to say something in your "post above"?  what did you edit out?
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« Reply #83 on: February 21, 2004, 11:50:00 AM »
i took it out b/c it was spouting hate, naming the particular names of individuals who work there at ivy ridge, particular incidents-- what i know of the people there. i guess i just thought it better to do that in court.  it was a cya measure and too i didn't want wasper anons attacking what was said.
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« Reply #84 on: February 22, 2004, 12:10:00 AM »
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On 2004-02-19 18:14:00, warriorprincess wrote:

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The below post if what i am referring to in my post above:





came upon a few of the letters home from my son. i went to their bbs, it made me feel somewhat better that others missed their child too. i was told not to be manipulated, this was always the initial reaction b/c they think mommy/daddy are coming to take them home, and until they believe that you arean't they won't "work the program" and that it would "get better in time",

here are some excerpts:



"this is so hard for me. pls tell them you need to talk to me on the phone"

"please, i miss you so much i cant stop crying"

"you mean more than anything to me, i have never been so depressed in my life, it is very important that I get a counselor to talk to, i will try my hardest to do good but i need your help"

the letters dont get better, but deteriorate from there, the handwriting is not on line paper and the words cascade downward toward end of each line

""i'm trying to deal with some of my problems, i never told yu when i was home but i think i'm schizophrenic"

"in your letter please tell me how much you love me"

"i feel empty inside and don't know how to get rid of it, i don't think i can"

this of course is all manipulation. these letters have nothing to do with the fact that a staff member threatened to rape him, alarms were going off all night, being punched in the chest was being "consequenced", told that he was "damaged goods" and "you are in fact a bad kid and i don't know if your mom will want to come and get you, even if you do graduate the program" (more love and affection from the caring staff, of course)

I never heard the expression "tea bag" until my son came home. thats what the staff member said he wanted to do to my son. this makes me sick and angry as hell.



little did i know. . . in my letters i tell him how much i love him and that i'm trying to HELP him, that i would never put him in DANGER. . . little did i know.

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Why do parents who are supposed to know their kids better than some stranger, actually come to ignore their child's cries for help?  I guess this says it all.  Beware of manipulating PARENTS, not teens.  

Bottom line is if the child is a long way from home, parents must err on the side of caution to compensate for their inability to effectively monitor the quality of their residential care and treatment. Unfortunately, most programs do "coach" parents into placing their trust 100% in "the program" but this kind of BLIND FAITH is inherently risky.

Please, for parents with kids in programs who may be reading this thread, if your child is telling you he/she is being maltreated, please remember you have a duty and an obligation to personally confirm or disprove the allegations with your own eyes and ears -- no matter what the cost or how inconvenient.  Your reward is if your child is lying, it is far better to be frustrated and damn angry with them than deeply sorry you did not react or respond appropriately because you chose to believe another parent or staff member.  No matter how convincing they may be, be skeptical and be vigilant!!

WP: I do hope your son is doing okay!  God bless and take care.

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« Reply #85 on: February 22, 2004, 12:23:00 AM »
Oops, apparently this was a letter another parent (not WP) posted awhile back.  Sorry for my mistake but nevertheless, the point of my reply remains the same.
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« Reply #86 on: February 22, 2004, 10:28:00 AM »
It still baffles me why parents, however desperate, will place such blind trust in a pack of total strangers.

Don't they hear how many little old ladies are bilked out of their life savings each year by televangelists, or bogus sweepstakes, or other cons?

Don't they hear how many people are bilked out of thousands and thousands of dollars by bogus "contractors" to do house repairs?

If you are at such risk hiring a company to repair your roof when you can be right there to supervise the work day in and day out, even if only after you come home from work for the day, how the hell could you send your *child* halfway across the country or even out of the country?!

How bloody stupid can you get?

I was once almost taken in by one of those cons that advertised itself as a "management trainee" job where you sell perfume door to door---con artists are so damned *convincing* in person, so *charming*---but thank god I thought better of it when I got home and called back, asking how many "trainees" actually were placed in management positions.  They said "half?" I said "bye."

I'm not saying all residential treatment is a con, I'm saying if you can't afford a slot in Betty Ford and your kid *must* have residential---he's committing crimes, or drunk at school, or flunks multiple drug tests for addictive drugs, or incorrigibly truant, or immediately a danger of violence to self or others----for goodness sakes *at least* choose a hospital in your same state or  an adjoining state and make frequent unannounced visits, check your child for bruises on same, stand him/her on a scale and check for unusual weight loss, personally look at educational materials your child is using and compare them to the curriculum at your local high school, etc.

Good lord, this isn't your house or your car---you'd do *at least* that much if one of them were at stake---this is your *child*!

I just don't understand how allegedly responsible parents can take such extreme risks with their child's health and welfare and repose such extreme trust in a pack of total strangers with every incentive to run a con for money.

I'm not accusing a particular school or schools in this---I'm just saying residential treatment should be an absolute last resort and the providers should be *very* closely supervised.

This industry is incredibly unregulated, if your child is horrendously abused, chances are you won't be able to prove it and may not even know it for years, if you *must* use residential treatment, for pete's sake Buyer Beware!!!!

(I forgot to log in.  I am Timoclea.)
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« Reply #87 on: February 22, 2004, 10:31:00 AM »
See, that was me.

Parents, avoid residential treatment if you can, but *please* if you can't, Buyer Beware!  Pick one close to home, check up on them frequently, and know what to check for.

History gives us a kind of chart, and we dare not surrender even a small rushlight in the darkness. The hasty reformer who does not remember the past will find himself condemned to repeat it.
--John Buchan

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« Reply #88 on: February 22, 2004, 01:33:00 PM »
that was originally my post.
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« Reply #89 on: February 22, 2004, 01:37:00 PM »
when that post was brought back up to the top, it felt like yesterday was the day when i went to NY to get my son from Ivy Ridge, knowing in my heart and from the letters, and the fact that I hadn't spoken to him in almost 3 weeks (which was really, logically, when i knew it wasn't right, how can not speaking with your child for any length of time more than one week be good for EITHER of you?), i just felt in my heart something wasnt right.
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