Hidden Lake Academy - ORS Reports

[Troll Control]

Again, what are you basing this on Whooter?

You by your own admission have not seen the report, nor have you seen any incident reports despite your claim to the contrary. How then can you claim there's been an improvement if you have no idea was then or is now?

Bruce, Remember no interaction until you show all of us your guest posts.  Why do you keep avoiding this?  What do you have to hide?  It requires no effort on your part and for someone who claims not to guest post this avoidance is damaging and very curious.  More and More of us are waiting for the big unveiling of your "5 posts".
Let us know when you this will be done.

None of this changes the fact that you have never seen the file.  Everything you say is just made up.

[TheWho]

There have been many posts and confusion.. Lets recap.

We are all aware that there have been some 3,000 pages generated by HLA from 2005 to 2007.  These were copied and received from the ORS by a couple of posters here on fornits.

Looking at the ORS reports from 2007 – present (which are now available for review on their website) HLA has generated 16 pages from 2007 to present.  It was indicated by another fornits poster that the website reflects about 5% of the total volume of pages.

So running the math shows that HLA has generated some 320 pages from 2007 to present vs. 3,000 pages from 2005 to 2007.

This is a substantial decrease in pages and could be an indication that things are improving at HLA.  Nothing is being made up.  Run the numbers yourself and review the ORS reports on-line.

[Troll Control]

Recap: TheWho has never seen any report but claims to be an expert on ORS reports based on an anon comment.

HLA has amassed another giant stack of ORS violations since 2007, but TheWho is lazy/cheap and won't request them, so he makes up some more "data."  That's the recap.

[Troll Control]

Not true.  Tell me, do you have a copy of HLA's case file, 2007-2009?  No, you don't.  So you are talking out of your ass on all topics, including the "number of pages" of ORS reports.

Not very honest, Who.  Your credibility is getting worse and worse.  You called "inspection reports" "incident reports" which is a lie.  You then went on to calculate a figure based on your lie.  You look really weak here.  

Anybody can click the link you provided and read that none of the docs are incident reports.  Try again.

The sole investigation report shows HLA acting illegally in every single random sample case.  Every single sample had from 15% to 100% failure rate for legally required reporting and child safety measures, including offering no staff training, unsafe environment, missing records and on and on and on.  They didn't pass a single investigation item, not ONE.

HLA is a shit-hole, based on the records you provided, Who.  Thanks!

Not to mention the few items posted on the ORS site show a 100% failure by HLA to comply with the law.  I'm not sure how 100% failure = improvement.  Someone will need to explain that to me.

[TheWho]

Recap: TheWho has never seen any report but claims to be an expert on ORS reports based on an anon comment.

HLA has amassed another giant stack of ORS violations since 2007, but TheWho is lazy/cheap and won't request them, so he makes up some more "data."  That's the recap.

As you read back thru the posts.  Thewho never claimed to have read the reports.  There are reports from ORS from 2005 to 2007 which amount to 3,000 pages.  The ORS has posted the reposts online from 2007 to present and there are only 16 pages.

Thewho never mentioned content but was commenting the since the volume dropped from 3,000 pages dowwn to 16 pages (or 320 based on a 5% adjustment) then one could speculate that the problems have abated or at a minimum are on their way down.

[Troll Control]

No, you never used the word "speculate."  You said there was "dramatic improvement."

What hasn't been explained is that the reports online are only a summary which is more or less 5% of the total volume of documents used to create THOSE SUMMARIES.  So maybe 320 pages is a good guess for those three reports.

However, the incident treports are not posted online, so speculating about them is really just guessing.  If you look at the online reports from 2005 to 2007 you will see that those online reports represent only about .01% of the total documents available by request.

So, what The Who is doing is two-fold.  He's trying to say that what's posted online represents 5% of the total documents, but that's no where near accurate.  He also is claiming "dramatic improvement" based on his totally false numbers.

He also keeps calling "inspection reports" "incident reports" which is also totally false.  And he doesn't mention that HLA flunked 100% of the random inspection items.

[TheWho]

No, you never used the word "speculate."  You said there was "dramatic improvement."

What hasn't been explained is that the reports online are only a summary which is more or less 5% of the total volume of documents used to create THOSE SUMMARIES.  So maybe 320 pages is a good guess for those three reports.

However, the incident treports are not posted online, so speculating about them is really just guessing.  If you look at the online reports from 2005 to 2007 you will see that those online reports represent only about .01% of the total documents available by request.

So, what The Who is doing is two-fold.  He's trying to say that what's posted online represents 5% of the total documents, but that's no where near accurate.  He also is claiming "dramatic improvement" based on his totally false numbers.

He also keeps calling "inspection reports" "incident reports" which is also totally false.  And he doesn't mention that HLA flunked 100% of the random inspection items.

I read back and could not find where he called the inspection reports "Incident reports".  That came from you.  and as it was explained TheWho didnt come up with the 5 % another poster did.  A guest mentioned that what is posted online represents only about 5% of the total documents.  TheWho just did the math which came out to be 320 pages vs 3,000 pages which is a dramatic improvement from the previous years.  This isnt anyones opinion its just volume amounts.
If someone else comes along and want to change it to 0.01% then fine, but there should be a way to support this.

[Troll Control]

5% of 320 pages equals 16 pages.  So there have been 304 pages of incident reports over the past 2 years compared with 3,000 pages over the previous 2 years.
Either way you cut it there is some evidence that the place is coming around.  Maybe they will go under but at least we can see that the incidences have dropped off tremendously and they are starting to put an effort in to reduce them.

here you go.  you said "incident reports" and then denied you said it.  what a liar.  you also say "304 pages" here, "320 pages" elsewhere and "100" as well.  which ones are lies and which ones are true?  can't all be true.

thewho is lying like a rug and never mentions the fact that hla failed 100% of the inspection items in the inspection, not incident, reports.

why the need to lie and say you didn't say those things?  you already look terrible, so a few more lies doesn't increase that notion, so be a man and own up to what you say.

[TheWho]

 And he doesn't mention that HLA flunked 100% of the random inspection items.

I guess you are not familiar with reading state inspection results.  The licenses study and relicensure study only reported a few findings 6 or so line items I believe it was.  I would bet they were compliant in well over 90% of the areas covered (Thats why they are still licensed within the state of Georgia).  Reading thru the report even in some of the areas in which they were found to be in noncompliance they showed evidence that the practices were being done and/or completed.

Keep in mind that the ORS is a state agency and they need to justify their existence.  If they didnt find discrepancies during their inspections then higher ups would feel that they are not looking hard enough (doing their jobs) or that their services are not needed or adding value.  Those reading who are familiar with state inspections will understand this.

[Troll Control]

not true.  every item inspected failed.  not a single item was passed.  go back and read for comprehension.  show me where they inspected an item and the conditions were met in all cases.  every single item inspected failed and the failure rates ranged from 15%-100%.

but this still doesn't cover what you claimed before - that these are incident reports.  these were just inspections, but hla failed every single inspection item.

[TheWho]

The report is:

Statement of Deficiencies
and Plan of Correction

All other areas besides those areas in the report were found to be compliant with the State.  That is why they are still licensed.

[Troll Control]

so where's the correction plan then?  it was due 7 months ago.  hla is violating the law yet again.

[TheWho]

so where's the correction plan then?  it was due 7 months ago.  hla is violating the law yet again.

So finally we get to the meat.  HLA was dinged for mostly documentation issues during their annual inspection.  They were also written up for having a bottle of shampoo in the shower which says "keep away from children" and another incident where they spotted a box of "Tide" in the laundry area which was not secured...

The State of Georgia found the issues to not be bad enough to warrant a probationary period or a loss of license.  So HLA is in full operation and compliance with the ORS and the State of Georgia (with the exception of the open issues)... the next step would be for the ORS to post the corrective action taken by HLA.

[Anonymous]

You are way off with regard to HLA and the State agencies.  Buccellato's 'kingdom' extends far beyond Hidden Lake Road... The ORS investigator/surveyor D.G., in her own writing in the ORS documents quoted LCSO(Lumpkin County Sheriiff, stating how 'political' this was and how well connected Buccellato was in Atlanta. Clearly what LCSO recalled to the ORS surveyor exhibited alarming i9nconsistencies regarding incidents that took place(per HLA staff, parents and children) Nice.  SACS certification is a joke....Buccellato is allowed to choose who visits the school from SACS, he did, all four of them, including one from St. Francis...old friends.  SACS did nothing either.  SACS requirements state their must be a science lab and that cross utilization of teachers is prohibited without SACS approval upon notification.  There  was no science lab, no mobile lab as Joe Farrell  of "Quirk and Quirk Lawfirm" stated HLA pruchased(letters ORS doc), and cross utilization of teachers was rampant without notification.
The Psychology Board was notified regarding Buccellato's breach of ethics(also in ORS documents, they did not report him)  and did nothing.  The Georgia State GAO (Tobin McDaniel) according to the Federal GAO agents, dropped the ball...or was 'told' to ,who knows at this point. The 2002 IRS investigation, the agent was pulled off the case, but was close... The  State Attorney Generals office was notified, but they said they could do nothing because they protect agencies in the State of Georgia like the ORS.  I was told  by the AG's office, off the record to go to the media.  The Federal GAO investigators found a vile den, but have no prosecutorial powers, again they said they could only make recommendations.  The Governor sent the letters he received to the ORS...  and this writer is sure more than a few, wanted this situation to go away.  In an ORS email amongst themselves, to paraphrase, the ORS was concerned that this investigation had to be on the mark in all areas, no mistakes, thorough, alluding to Buccellato's connections.  The agencies are not and have not been accountable, except to cover for themselves and each other. I have stated time and again, what transpired among all these agencies, including Quirk and Quirk(Joe Farrell) is criminal.  If "Quirk and Quirk" was aware of the untruths they were spewing on behalf of their client Buccellato to the agencies and families, their license to practice law should be revoked.  Their direct line to now reitred Lumpkin County Judge was totally unethical re: cease and desist letters literally signed overnight.  The only one left is Federal Attorney General Nahmias - but as I stated before, his spouse was or still is with King and Spalding - a possible conflict of interest.
So, the agencies are useless because to step up to the plate they would have to admit legal liability if not criminal liability.  The ORS has something in common with Joe Farrell, their track record covering up for HLA in their answers to complaint letters  since HLA's INCEPTION, is a disgrace, those are in the documents,too.

[Anonymous]

Also for the record, 2,919 pages, reflect not only the 2006 Investigation of HLA, the ORS hit Ridge Creek first.  The 2919 pages include Ridge Creek.  The documents DO NOt only apply to 2006-Spring 2008(docs only go to Spring 2008 as that is when they were released to attorney).  The documents date back to 1996.  Now the ORS,  managing ORS attorney Nina Edidin, stated  to the attorney representing me that she 'thought' the ORS only retained documents for 2 years.  The attorney  representing me wrote backthe ORS stating how fortunate for us that what we were requesting documents under the two year cut off and if the ORS did not comply, we would take this further..  As most of you know by now, we would have gone that route, which probably would have been a good thing, although not financially, because, what the ORS was doing/not doing would have been exposed.  Miraculously, documents appeared dating back to 1996.  Again, I began requesting the report per Georgia FOIA - Georigia's Sunshine laws in late Fall, early Winters of 2006 and repeatedly was told that the report was not ready, would posiibly  be ready in April 2007 and posted on their web-site, I was then sent four or so copies of letters I already sent them, then Mr. Bostick(ORS) sent me an email  stating they already complied(the four or so letters) and he did not understand what I was asking for nor did Edidin or her assistant(and yes I have all the emails and letters)  I placed calls and emails to Nina Edidin(spoke to her and her assistant and still nothing for 1 1/2 years).  Now, in walks an attorney, and surprise, 2919 pages appear per Georgia Sunshine Laws.  
Again to re-iterate, the documents span 1996-2008...
For the record, what is posted on their web-site is miniscule, only what the ORS wants out there.
For the record and in the record,  Ridge Creek was FORCED licensure by the ORS after repeated complaints filed.  HLA was FORCED licensure after repeated complaints.  Buccellato would have been happy to continue un-licensed, operating under the radar, with "Quirk and Quirk" continuing to constantly send letters and emails to the ORS, the attorneys for families  over the years, denying HLA operating as a "Therapeutic Boarding School"(the infamous letters stating time and again "the term Therapeutic is for marketing purposes only" and yes I have them, too - along with letters over the years from attorneys and families to the ORS stating that HLA was not operating as an Academic Boarding School, with Special Purpose or not.  "Quirk and Quirk' would fire off a letter to Carol Winstead of the ORS and the ORS would immediatley back off.  But when a parent called inquiring about HLA or with a complaint to Carol Winstead of the ORS,
 she acted like it was business as usual, never heard or cited any complaints about HLA ,gave the same 'perfunctory'  reply regarding HLA and acted like it was news to her. Yet I have letters dating back to 1998 then 2001, that reflect quite the opposite.  She should have been fired or forced to resign, along with the rest of the top brass at the ORS.  I think Jimmy Carter should recieve the disk , it would make him proud to see what he envisioned vs. what actually was created.  
Also, for the record,  I need to correct this, the ORS document stated there were 5 attempted suicides not 8, that the ORS was aware of, 8 runaways(there were more), numerous transports for mental health (1013?)