LAYNE MEACHAM and PROCTOR ADVOCATE, YES FAMILIES

[Ursus]

LAYNE R. MEACHAM may have been another one of Miller Newton's protégés, possibly training with him at some point in Hackensack, New Jersey (mid-late 1980s?).

Meacham subsequently set up shop in his home state, Utah, and ran into problems with Utah, right around the same time that KIDS of Greater Salt Lake did (Director of the latter being Kimball DeLaMare of Island View, Oakley, NATSAP, and Proficio fame).

Meacham founded two programs that I know of, PROCTOR ADVOCATE and YES FAMILIES, both based on the Straight prototype with group confrontation as a method for behavior modification by day, and with kids being housed by host families at night. He was sued a number of times for program-related abuses, and he himself sued various officials and state entities several times for attempts to curtail the excesses of his programs.

He wrote a book titled Never give in, never give up!: Choosing the right program for your out-of-control and/or drug-involved teen, published in 1996. Nowadays, he seems to make his living as an abstract artist, although he is apparently as litigious as ever, judging by the number of lawsuits that continue to crop up on a google...

[Anonymous]

Your statements about Mr. Meacham are libelous per se, he has never been sued for abuse or convicted of any crime whatsoever.  Many out of control youth who are using drugs, having sex with their dealers for drugs and generally conduct disordered have harbored resentments towards program providers.  Isn't it time they grew out of their resentments and went on with their lives.   Usually they can't move on because they are still dependant on marijuana, meth and or alcohol and therefore they protest too loudly.  However they have a right to say whatever they want as long as it is true, but to accuse someone of child abuse without the evidence is libelous per se under the law.  So continue with your libel from this point forward, we will be watching you and copying future written statements for evidence to be used in the Third District Court of Utah, regardless of where you are hiding.

[Anonymous]

:roflmao:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :rofl:    :rofl:

[Ursus]

Your statements about Mr. Meacham are libelous per se, he has never been sued for abuse or convicted of any crime whatsoever.  Many out of control youth who are using drugs, having sex with their dealers for drugs and generally conduct disordered have harbored resentments towards program providers.  Isn't it time they grew out of their resentments and went on with their lives.   Usually they can't move on because they are still dependant on marijuana, meth and or alcohol and therefore they protest too loudly.  However they have a right to say whatever they want as long as it is true, but to accuse someone of child abuse without the evidence is libelous per se under the law.  So continue with your libel from this point forward, we will be watching you and copying future written statements for evidence to be used in the Third District Court of Utah, regardless of where you are hiding.

Thank you for your concern over the wayward youth of today. I can assure you that my own usage of and dependency on "marijuana, meth and or alcohol" is well under control. Moreover, allegations or intimations of my sexual relations with my "dealers for drugs" and general state of being "conduct disordered" are just that: allegations and/or intimations. You will have to be more specific if you expect me to take you seriously.  

On the other hand, the following statements from my previous post are, to the best of my knowledge, true and factual. I welcome your evidence to the contrary.

• Layne Meacham founded two programs, PROCTOR ADVOCATE and YES FAMILIES, which both appear to be based on the Seed/Straight prototype with group confrontation as a method for behavior modification by day, and with kids being housed by host families at night.*

• Layne Meacham may have trained with Miller Newton in Hackensack, New Jersey, at some point in the mid-late 1980s.* Miller Newton is a former administrator of Straight, Inc.

• Layne Meacham ran into difficulties right around the same time that KIDS of Greater Salt Lake did (KIDS was another Straight spin-off, founded by Miller Newton).

• Layne Meacham and/or his program were sued a number of times for program-related abuses, and he himself sued various officials and state entities several times for attempts to curtail the excesses of his programs.

* Allegedly according to evidence given by Layne Meacham himself during one of the abuse trials.

Here are two other threads which mention Layne Meacham and/or his programs to help get you started:

• i was very disturbed:
  viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4756

• two posts in the Proficio thread, starting here:
  viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27534&p=337970#p337970

[Anonymous]

Cool.  Utah has some pretty good anti-SLAPP statutes. I recommend you check out Benchmark Young Adult School v. Michael Crawford.  It might prove enlightening in this particular area.

You're probably going to have a fair amount of trouble in the following ares:

1. Meacham is most likely a limited purposes public figure.  If he's like most program folk, he's been unable to keep his mouth shut regarding this issue.  He's written a book for crying out loud.  Please note that this general issue of the troubled teen industry *has* been under discussion by the legislation.  There have also been congressional hearings and investigations by the GAO.  This is very much a matter of public concern.  Since your client has spoken on the issue, that makes him a limited purpose public figure.  As i'm sure you know, thanks to New York Times v. Sullivan you'll then have to prove actual malice as well as false statement of fact.

2. "Abuse" is opinion, especially in this context.  I can't recall the name offhand but there is a vetenarian case involving this in which a scientist was accused of abusing his orangutans by an animal welfare activist.  It's not hard to argue that, for example, a suit for "intentional infliction of emotional distress" could be interpreted on this site as a suit for abuse.

3. Harm.  Good luck trying to prove with admissible evidence that Ursus's words have caused any actual harm.  Even if the court finds abuse to be a false statement of fact, your SOL without any damages.  Keep in mind that a mere decrease in profit, for example, does not prove harm.  You have to prove that it was Ursus's words themselves which caused it and not, for example, the economy.

4. intimidation does not work here.  It only stokes the fires.  In that regard, i'd have to thank you.  By your threat you've guaranteed this thread a lot more attention than it otherwise would have gotten.

5. The last time one of you folk tried to sue a survivor it turned out very badly indeed for the plaintiff.  Please see the results of Benchmark V. Crawford.

Sincerely,
Another Alleged Druggie by Assocation

[Anonymous]

As attorney for the Plaintiff you have been doing a good job helping me with discovery.  This is what I need for you to demonstrate your limited knowledge of the law.  First of all Mr. Meacham has never met Miller Newton and has never modeled any progam after his program.  Why is it that none of you will ever detail your juvenile histories.  Your drug and alcohol dependencies, sexual problems and previous violence towards your parents.  Your problems with authority and with the school system and what it is you are doing with your lives now.   Your hatred will continue to eat you up and no parent will be affected by the information they receive from this site.  If they are mislead by you and this site they would not have augured well in treatment and their kid will probably end up like you, just staying the same and making the family continue to suffer because of you.

Second I appreciate the legal theory on public figures you  better go back to the books, Mr. Meacham does not qualify.  

You also better go to the Courts and see if there is any convictions before you continue your libel.  Mr. Meacham is hardly a public figure I'm sure when I tell him this he will be elated with the elevated status you have given him.    You people are not a legitimate newpaper you are just the remnant of the program that didn't work for you and your family.  You are angry even though you cannot identify one shred of evidence that would would hold up pursuant to the rules of civil procedure.   Heresay and a lot of gossip and heresay upon heresay.   Remember hell hath no fury as a former drug and conduct disordered kid who failed in treatment.  In light of your past and current behavior the jury will not regard your testimony as truthful.  Part of the diagnosis for conduct disorder is that you lie.   It appears that some may have continued with this diagnosis and your former medical records up for subpoena.  I am sure we can establish via your treatment history that you are not an honest person and therefore why would anyone allow you to serve up this kind of pig slop and then actually ingest any of it.  No rational parent is going to see you as credible because of your current unresolved conduct disorder and general hatred that spues out with every word and phrase.   Study Marx, your little rag was the thesis and now there is an antithesis the Antidefamation Association of parents and professionals.


So lets keep the mean speach and virtual deposition rolling and see what happens, as long as you are talking I can use this discoverable evidence for my clients who have the means to defend themselves against your unfounded defamations .  The Antidefamation Associalion is also looking at a class action federal suit as you have obviously crossed state lines.   You are acting like you did when your Mothers and Father's first put you in treatment.  You believe you are invincible, 10 feet tall and bullet proof, and that your peer group made up of all the troubled youth that will not admit they had a problem,will spend their time on this rag trying to get revenge rather than a future and higher education.

The main thing here is injunctive and declaratory relief.  Damages are a jury matter and we will see what they think of your language and attitudes displayed in the last few years.  It is a subjective jury matter.  However there is always declaratory and injunctive relief, so maybe your parents can help you with the funding for counsel to defend an action which I believe could also be in the Federal Court.  Please by all means keep up the mean spirited attacks going as this is all discoverable and will be the best evidence to prove the case.  It gets to the heart of your motivations your willingness to defame a myriad of individuals without any admissable evidence in a court of law.  It will also alert the others that have sued you to come together just like you have.  You will help organize the members of the class and provide a forum for them to get together as a class to sue you an those who have defamed them.  You have mentioned some of the former litigants.  Of course many conduct disordered program failures end up as antisocial, narcissists that have no introspection or ability to see where their illegitimate and hateful actions are going to take them.  Revenge is a meal best served cold.

 Antidefamation Association

[Anonymous]

Counsel for the persecution misappropriated the term hearsay and misspelled it. Were you thinking of heresy?

[Ursus]

Counsel for the persecution misappropriated the term hearsay and misspelled it. Were you thinking of heresy?

 :roflmao:

I would expect no less from someone who aligns themselves with someone who calls himself "The Equalizer."

[psy]

Second I appreciate the legal theory on public figures you  better go back to the books, Mr. Meacham does not qualify.

Crawford here from the above mentioned case.  If Jayne Longnecker of Benchmark Young Adult School qualified, your client probably does as well.  I'd be happy to supply Ursus's attorneys with all the legal research my attorneys did (90% of what they need on that point).  Our argument on this point was airtight the point where the plaintiff didn't even bother arguing Jayne was not a limited purpose public figure.  And she didn't even write a book on the topic (like your client did)...  Do your research.

You also better go to the Courts and see if there is any convictions before you continue your libel.  Mr. Meacham is hardly a public figure I'm sure when I tell him this he will be elated with the elevated status you have given him.    You people are not a legitimate newpaper you are just the remnant of the program that didn't work for you and your family.

Legitimate newspaper or not is irrelevant. You shoudl know that if you are indeed an attorney.

You are angry even though you cannot identify one shred of evidence that would would hold up pursuant to the rules of civil procedure.   Heresay and a lot of gossip and heresay upon heresay.

State of mind exception.  Even if the evidence you claim is inadmissible in relation to the truth of the statements, they are admissible to show his state of mind at the time typed what he did.

Let me ask you this.  Even if you truly believe that Ursus made a false statement of fact, do you believe he intended to?  Ursus is probably the most careful, accurate and unbiased researcher around here.

Remember hell hath no fury as a former drug and conduct disordered kid who failed in treatment.  In light of your past and current behavior the jury will not regard your testimony as truthful.

Only an anti-slapp motion ends the case before it even gets to that point.  It also immediately halts discovery (at least in california).  Do you have any proof of harm?  Any proof Ursus's statements are false statements of fact?  Any proof they were made with actual malice.  You want punitive damages, I assume.

Part of the diagnosis for conduct disorder is that you lie.

Wow.  Now that is libel per-se all over the place.  Have you one shred of proof any of us, including Ursus specifically, failed treatment or were even diagnosed with the medical disorder you specify?  I'm leaning towards thinking you are not an attorney considering how careless you are with your words, unless you are under the sadly mistaken opinion that none of us can or will defend ourselves.  Me, personally, I clear the air openly and use the forum to address false allegations... but others on this forum might not take so kindly.

It appears that some may have continued with this diagnosis and your former medical records up for subpoena.  I am sure we can establish via your treatment history that you are not an honest person and therefore why would anyone allow you to serve up this kind of pig slop and then actually ingest any of it.

Um.  I'm pretty sure the judge would not allow that.  But hey.  Some of us still want to get ahold of our records so you might as well be of use.

No rational parent is going to see you as credible because of your current unresolved conduct disorder and general hatred that spues out with every word and phrase.   Study Marx, your little rag was the thesis and now there is an antithesis the Antidefamation Association of parents and professionals.

Wow.  You have a website?  I googled and could find absolutely nada.  that sorta like the Zombie Anti Defamation League (4th google result)?  Are you aware "antidefamation" is not actually a word?

So lets keep the mean speach and virtual deposition rolling and see what happens, as long as you are talking I can use this discoverable evidence for my clients who have the means to defend themselves against your unfounded defamations.

What?  You mean you can use my words and those of the guest against Ursus?!  WOW.  I was unaware the law allowed that... unless you're planning on suing us all!  I didn't even make any statements directly about your client and neither did the Guest above.

The Antidefamation Associalion is also looking at a class action federal suit as you have obviously crossed state lines.

You're funny.

You are acting like you did when your Mothers and Father's first put you in treatment.  You believe you are invincible, 10 feet tall and bullet proof, and that your peer group

Nice phrase there. You aware of it's specific origins?

made up of all the troubled youth that will not admit they had a problem,will spend their time on this rag trying to get revenge rather than a future and higher education.

I actually have a college degree, FYI, as do many others on this forum.  You want to sue this forum?  Go ahead and do it.  We could use the publicity.  It's not the first time it's happened.

The main thing here is injunctive and declaratory relief.  Damages are a jury matter and we will see what they think of your language and attitudes displayed in the last few years.  It is a subjective jury matter.

No.  At least in CA, punitive damages are only allowed when there is proof of malice, actual malice, or willfull disregard for the truth (means had some doubt in the truth of the statement).  You'll have to prove with admissible evidence that if Ursus meant to make a false statement of fact if he did.  Otherwise, you're stuck with actual damages (which you cannot prove).

And if you think the judge is going to buy that crap you're sadly mistaken.  Benchmark's critical mistake was in trying to prejudice the judge with irrelevant (and i would allege, false) crap...  And that case took place in a *very* conservative jurisdiction.

However there is always declaratory and injunctive relief, so maybe your parents can help you with the funding for counsel to defend an action which I believe could also be in the Federal Court.

Probably better in Federal Court anyway.  If you sued locally, my guess is Ursus would petition for removal rather than stay in some backwoods Utah court where the judge wears magic underwear and thinks god lives on planet Kolob.

As for funding, my attorneys took the case on a partial contingent fee basis.  They got paid when the anti-slapp motion succeeded and the plaintiffs paid us attorneys fees and court costs.  Any court costs for Ursus could be happily gathered by a defense fund.  I'd help out, and I know a lot of others would as well.  We're hardly helpless round here and survivors tend to stick together.

Please by all means keep up the mean spirited attacks going as this is all discoverable and will be the best evidence to prove the case.

LOL.  You are without a doubt one of the funniest programs supporters i've seen here in a long time.  Let me get this straight.  You're going to use my words and that of the guests against Ursus?  You sure you are an attorney?

It gets to the heart of your motivations your willingness to defame a myriad of individuals without any admissable evidence in a court of law.

If you are referring to entire of the forum you are referring to yourself as well.  Anybody can and probably does post here.  The group is only as unified as you imagine it to be.

It will also alert the others that have sued you to come together just like you have.

Aha.  I see.  Well.  Go right ahead.  The more the merrier.  I'm not kidding either.  I have been sued and was happy when it happened.  You'll find most others on this forum will see it as an opportunity rather than a setback.

You will help organize the members of the class and provide a forum for them to get together as a class to sue you an those who have defamed them.  You have mentioned some of the former litigants.

Former litigants from the cases you allege do not exist you mean?  Or am I mistaken?

Of course many conduct disordered program failures end up as antisocial, narcissists that have no introspection or ability to see where their illegitimate and hateful actions are going to take them.  Revenge is a meal best served cold.

I can respect the klingon proverb.  The rest is pure crap.

[Anonymous]

Second I appreciate the legal theory on public figures you  better go back to the books, Mr. Meacham does not qualify.

Crawford here from the above mentioned case.  If Jayne Longnecker of Benchmark Young Adult School qualified, your client probably does as well.  I'd be happy to supply Ursus's attorneys with all the legal research (90% of what they need on that point) my attorneys did.  Our argument was airtight on this to the point where the plaintiff didn't even bother arguing Jayne was not a limited purpose public figure.  And she didn't even write a book on the topic (like your client did)...  Do your research.

You also better go to the Courts and see if there is any convictions before you continue your libel.  Mr. Meacham is hardly a public figure I'm sure when I tell him this he will be elated with the elevated status you have given him.    You people are not a legitimate newpaper you are just the remnant of the program that didn't work for you and your family.

Legitimate newspaper or not is irrelevant. You shoudl know that if you are indeed an attorney.

You are angry even though you cannot identify one shred of evidence that would would hold up pursuant to the rules of civil procedure.   Heresay and a lot of gossip and heresay upon heresay.

State of mind exception.  Even if the evidence you claim is inadmissible in relation to the truth of the statements, they are admissible to show his state of mind at the time typed what he did.

Let me ask you this.  Even if you truly believe that Ursus made a false statement of fact, do you believe he intended to?  Ursus is probably the most careful, accurate and unbiased researcher around here.

Remember hell hath no fury as a former drug and conduct disordered kid who failed in treatment.  In light of your past and current behavior the jury will not regard your testimony as truthful.

Only an anti-slapp motion ends the case before it even gets to that point.  It also immediately halts discovery (at least in california).  Do you have any proof of harm?  Any proof Ursus's statements are false statements of fact?  Any proof they were made with actual malice.  You want punitive damages, I assume.

Part of the diagnosis for conduct disorder is that you lie.

Wow.  Now that is libel per-se all over the place.  Have you one shred of proof any of us, including Ursus specifically, failed treatment or were even diagnosed with the medical disorder you specify?  I'm leaning towards thinking you are not an attorney considering how careless you are with your words, unless you are under the sadly mistaken opinion that none of us can or will defend ourselves.  Me, personally, I clear the air openly and use the forum to address false allegations... but others on this forum might not take so kindly.

It appears that some may have continued with this diagnosis and your former medical records up for subpoena.  I am sure we can establish via your treatment history that you are not an honest person and therefore why would anyone allow you to serve up this kind of pig slop and then actually ingest any of it.

Um.  I'm pretty sure the judge would not allow that.  But hey.  Some of us still want to get ahold of our records so you might as well be of use.

No rational parent is going to see you as credible because of your current unresolved conduct disorder and general hatred that spues out with every word and phrase.   Study Marx, your little rag was the thesis and now there is an antithesis the Antidefamation Association of parents and professionals.

Wow.  You have a website?  I googled and could find absolutely nada.  that sorta like the Zombie Anti Defamation League (4th google result)?  Are you aware "antidefamation" is not actually a word?

So lets keep the mean speach and virtual deposition rolling and see what happens, as long as you are talking I can use this discoverable evidence for my clients who have the means to defend themselves against your unfounded defamations.

What?  You mean you can use my words and those of the guest against Ursus?!  WOW.  I was unaware the law allowed that... unless you're planning on suing us all!  I didn't even make any statements directly about your client and neither did the Guest above.

The Antidefamation Associalion is also looking at a class action federal suit as you have obviously crossed state lines.

You're funny.

You are acting like you did when your Mothers and Father's first put you in treatment.  You believe you are invincible, 10 feet tall and bullet proof, and that your peer group

Nice phrase there. You aware of it's specific origins?

made up of all the troubled youth that will not admit they had a problem,will spend their time on this rag trying to get revenge rather than a future and higher education.

I actually have a college degree, FYI, as do many others on this forum.  You want to sue this forum?  Go ahead and do it.  We could use the publicity.  It's not the first time it's happened.

The main thing here is injunctive and declaratory relief.  Damages are a jury matter and we will see what they think of your language and attitudes displayed in the last few years.  It is a subjective jury matter.

No.  At least in CA, punitive damages are only allowed when there is proof of malice, actual malice, or willfull disregard for the truth (means had some doubt in the truth of the statement).  You'll have to prove with admissible evidence that if Ursus meant to make a false statement of fact if he did.  Otherwise, you're stuck with actual damages (which you cannot prove).

And if you think the judge is going to buy that crap you're sadly mistaken.  Benchmark's critical mistake was in trying to prejudice the judge with irrelevant (and i would allege, false) crap...  And that case took place in a *very* conservative jurisdiction.

However there is always declaratory and injunctive relief, so maybe your parents can help you with the funding for counsel to defend an action which I believe could also be in the Federal Court.

Probably better in Federal Court anyway.  If you sued locally, my guess is Ursus would petition for removal rather than stay in some backwoods Utah court where the judge wears magic underwear and thinks god lives on planet Kolob.

As for funding, my attorneys took the case on a partial contingent fee basis.  They got paid when the anti-slapp motion succeeded and the plaintiffs paid us attorneys fees and court costs.  Any court costs for Ursus could be happily gathered by a defense fund.  I'd help out, and I know a lot of others would as well.  We're hardly helpless round here and survivors tend to stick together.

Please by all means keep up the mean spirited attacks going as this is all discoverable and will be the best evidence to prove the case.

LOL.  You are without a doubt one of the funniest programs supporters i've seen here in a long time.  Let me get this straight.  You're going to use my words and that of the guests against Ursus?  You sure you are an attorney?

It gets to the heart of your motivations your willingness to defame a myriad of individuals without any admissable evidence in a court of law.

If you are referring to entire of the forum you are referring to yourself as well.  Anybody can and probably does post here.  The group is only as unified as you imagine it to be.

It will also alert the others that have sued you to come together just like you have.

Aha.  I see.  Well.  Go right ahead.  The more the merrier.  I'm not kidding either.  I have been sued and was happy when it happened.  You'll find most others on this forum will see it as an opportunity rather than a setback.

You will help organize the members of the class and provide a forum for them to get together as a class to sue you an those who have defamed them.  You have mentioned some of the former litigants.

Former litigants from the cases you allege do not exist you mean?  Or am I mistaken?

Of course many conduct disordered program failures end up as antisocial, narcissists that have no introspection or ability to see where their illegitimate and hateful actions are going to take them.  Revenge is a meal best served cold.

I can respect the klingon proverb.  The rest is pure crap.

I'm sure the "antidefamation" guest is a joke, psy. Do you really think it's genuine?

[psy]

I'm sure the "antidefamation" guest is a joke, psy. Do you really think it's genuine?

Genuine attorney?  No.  Genuine program supporter?  Absolutely.  Meacham himself?  Good possibility.  Wouldn't be the first time... but that's just what I think.

[Anonymous]

I'm sure the "antidefamation" guest is a joke, psy. Do you really think it's genuine?

Genuine attorney?  No.  Genuine program supporter?  Absolutely.  Meacham himself?  Good possibility.  Wouldn't be the first time... but that's just what I think.

I read it as a faceitious bit of play on Ursus's mention that Meacham is litigious. If antidefimation is really in Meacham's camp sincerely trying to scare Ursus into scilence with threats of a lawsuit--jeez.

[psy]

I'm sure the "antidefamation" guest is a joke, psy. Do you really think it's genuine?

Genuine attorney?  No.  Genuine program supporter?  Absolutely.  Meacham himself?  Good possibility.  Wouldn't be the first time... but that's just what I think.

I read it as a faceitious bit of play on Ursus's mention that Meacham is litigious. If antidefimation is really in Meacham's camp sincerely trying to scare Ursus into scilence with threats of a lawsuit--jeez.

In fairness, the tactic would work on most audiences...  just not here.  If it's a troll, i tip my nonexistant hat.

[Anonymous]

Warning this presentation may have some mispelled words or poor grammer, but it is not likely to rise to the level of a violation of Tort Law, furthermore this document has not been spell checked.

ANTIDEFAMATION ASSOCIATION

OK were rollin now.  As Saul Alinsky would put it, use the enemies own system to gain power.  The Antidefamation Association has begun.   Lets see first of all I have learned that Ursus is a male.  Is his name Elberg. And who the heck is Warbis and Elberg--and this Sue Scheff woman.  

Why aren't you willing to disclose why the treatment program was indicated for Ursus or Warbis anyone else.  Why are you not making that public.  Has any of the folks you defend assaulted their parents ?  Were they put in programs for missing sunday school or for coming home so ripped on meth and alcohol that they could be diagnosed as legally dead.  Have any of your defendants been charged with theft, distribution and sale of narcotics (we'll exclude a little weed here and there).

Could you please furnish me with a case number from Benchmark?  Also who is the Sue Scheff?  Maybe she can help with the case law and discovery related to the Ursus case.  Remember Ursus (who you say is a man) is fearless as a grizzley bear and as mean as a wolverine (remember that show when the Wolverine high school students stood off the Communist take over)?

I have chosen to represent Mr. Meacham because you are a bigot and don't want your religion or race to be persecuted and yet you belittle others religions like the LDS Church.  Are you prejudice against all Mormans or just the ones that run programs.  Are all Mormans in favor of the brutilization of kids?

Your prejudice disallows you to consider people as individuals, bigots are not rational clear thinking people they close out the possibilities for any rational discourse.

Maybe you should do some checking about this Meacham  which you have  done your little  witch hunt on, and black listed in your little irrelevant web site.  

Did you know that he was locked up in a Juvenile state reform school just for running away from home and being ungovernable (and doing a few doobies and brewskies once and a while).  They routinely beat him with a clip board to the head, slapped him in the face.  When he finally escaped he ran up a half frozen canal and fell into the freezing water, caught pneumonia and then was placed in the hole where the windows were broken and the snow would blow in on him.  He had to sleep on a steel strapped cot with no mattress and just a dirty old army blanket in his skivies (sp?)  He spent the rest of his life trying to close state institutions and reform schools.  He was admitted at Colombia University and studied community organizing from the same folks that mentored  Obama.  He worked for the National Center on Institutions and Alternatives and got them funding to close Utah's 100 year old reform school where kids as young as eight had been sexually molested by staff.  But we never here you mouthing the state Gulag's only the private ones.

You prejudged him, and the Mean Old Bear said that he had been sued for abuse, if you are such a thorough investigator or legal mind check out the court dockets and find a civil action against Meacham for abuse.  Also while your at it check out any final disposition of guilty and a criminal background check to see if he has any convictions for abuse.

Finally I would like to know and I am sure that many others would also like to know, what your preferred type of intervention is for a severely acting out conduct disordered chemically dependant kid.  Is it to just send them over to a former Straight alum and get cookies (laced with weed) and milk and groove and watch the sun come up.   What are you proposing as an alternative for treatment that is efficacious and relevant.  Nobody believes you should ever hit a kid or waterboard them etc.   But you seem to have no proposal to help a chemically dependant kid that won't go to school and won't go to 12 step and steals his parents car and even kicks granny down the stairs (true story).  So Mr. Elberg or who ever you are what's your recommendation for the above kid?  Do you have one?  Or are you just fighting the whole world and everyone in it and becoming the problem rather than the solution.  

By the way I appologize for the spelling errors.  At least I am willing to admit when I am wrong and promptly admit it.

So please get me the above discovery soon as possible because the big bad bear is willing to "kill all of the scumbag Mormans and Yuppies.  Maybe the bear will come for the Jews some day just like he is for the Mormans and the rest of us scumbags who you have lynched.   Kind of reminds me of Hitler and the Jews, and pisses me off that you as an attorney have no room for open dialogue.  You might find that some of the people you have lynched prematurely have been misjudged just like Ursus was when they put him in that shit hole called straight (I never understood all that arm flapping stuff that I saw on T.V. recently)  But anyhow lets move this thing along, get me the names and addresses of Warbis, Elberg, Scheff and anyone else that has supported the libelous statements of the Grizzley Bear. (Is that how you spell Grizzley).

Carry on dude,

Antidefamation Association.  

P.S. Mr. Meacham has never met Mr. Newton.  (Remember when you are wrong promply admit it counselor).

(find us everyday on this Fornits deal, we'll  soon have an e-mail for donations for a civil action, note we will not support any program that has proven to hit, kick, sexually abuse or deprive food, water etc.)  Or which violates most states DCFS statutes pursuant to child abuse etc.

Lets all come together

Anyhow I think this can be fun.  Please give me this Sue Scheff's phone number and a list of cases against the site or the Big Bad Bear or anyone so that we can get underway.

[Anonymous]

I could reply rationally to that screed, but I'm just going to sit here and laugh at you instead.

 :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rofl:  :beat: