a Program saved my Life

[Anonymous]

1Sa 18:1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.


1Sa 18:2 And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father's house.


1Sa 18:3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.


1Sa 18:4 And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that [was] upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.

I actually support the homos right to marry each other if they desire, but do you really think these quotes somehow endorse gay sex? I wouldn't argue that the bible literally supports gay sex if I were you, because it's a losing argument. Better that you dismiss bible literalism outright as the fairy tail that it is than engage in a battle of scripture quoting.

[TheWho]

1Sa 18:1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.


1Sa 18:2 And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father's house.


1Sa 18:3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.


1Sa 18:4 And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that [was] upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.

I actually support the homos right to marry each other if they desire, but do you really think these quotes somehow endorse gay sex? I wouldn't argue that the bible literally supports gay sex if I were you, because it's a losing argument. Better that you dismiss bible literalism outright as the fairy tail that it is than engage in a battle of scripture quoting.

No I dont, just making the point that the bible doesnt address it either way.  It doesnt specifically address programs either, but we all have our beliefs

[Anonymous]

My all-powerful imaginary friends can beat up your all-powerful imaginary friends.

[Anonymous]

Well, I suppose if I had to be honest I'd have to concede that a program saved my life. But the program I'm talking about is called AA. I was drinking so much I almost lost my liver at the ripe age of 39. God must have a plan for me though because I met my sponsor while puking on the side of the road and from that day on I've been sober. I would be dead if not for AA and it's miracle workers, and to be honest I really believe wholeheartedly my sponsor is my true guardian angel, in this life and the next. It's hard for me to explain how grateful I am to AA for saving my life. With that said, I can understand why someone who attributes an organization to saving their life is going to stand up for their belief that it helps people. I do the same for AA, and have now been sober long enough to be a sponsor. Does anybody here have problem with drinking or drugs and want a sponsor?

[Anonymous]

I think walking in at AA on own  at a ripe age of?? And me being tied up and kidnapped at the  age of 13 shows 2 different stories, most people at the age you were, were alcoholics like Art Barker, I was 13 and never did drugs nor drank, you were already at your worst and it did not take you out of school nor did it remove you from your home, starve you, keep you from your family, continuously having people screaming at you all day and night long for 12 hours or more daily, dehydrate you no one was given anything but some koolaid crap, you were lucky to get to use bathroom without shitting or pissing pants first , had to listen to crying and screaming from others all day and night, in other words you had a choice to walk in and ask for help, I did not,and not to mention I needed no help was only there because I was used for bait to get my brother and sister in,  not to mention that I was just a kid, and never even did drugs nor got in trouble, I was used as bait to get my sister and brother in there, ( Do you get what I am saying now?)What I am trying to say is forceful, like what they did to me, and you walking in and out  going home etc... on own  being able to tell truth about anything was what you got, me I got beaten, yelled at, given cigarettes at the ripe age of 13, was forced to eat bologna when I was a vegetarian, I was so tiny back then that losing weight  was easy on what I was given as far as nourishment,( I think I may have been a whole 65 pounds  70 if lucky ) I was also left to sit all day long in a hard metal chair, I was kept in some old blimp hanger, my mother was lied to, and this crap caused my parents to eventually split, I was forced to lie and say I did drugs so I could go home, which I was still left away from for  some time after,( even though they said I could go home if I just said I did drugs) I never even knew what drugs were till I ended up in that place, I saw many people daily threaten with their lives, I watched people taken out and never brought back, going to aa because you are some lonely ass drunk is way different then being forced at the age of 13, and going through what I went through, so lets cut the crap. Oh lets not forget to mention that they kept me from my sister and brother who were also brought in there, and they constantly would tell me how much they hated and wanted nothing to do with me,Try telling that to a young child that  was always happy and smiling around her brother and sister, then all of a sudden they are standing you up in front of lord remembers how many people, only to find out years later  that the assholes standing you up screaming are nothing more then ex convicts, alcoholics, druggies, heroin using prostitutes, every type of low life including Art Barker himself the worthless comedian drunk that finished a program at aa, other wise his ass would have been in jail where he rightfully belongs.Those are not the type of people you want around a child, if my parents knew that some low life drunk comedian was getting free hand outs funds being paid to torment their kids, I know they would not have had us there. No parent was allowed to communicate with their child alone,( that also met no phone calls even when I got really ill there and you were away from them for a long time) in a strangers home for doing nothing wrong. If anyone thinks it is okay to send a kid any where at that age take them out of school of all places and know nothing behind the walls where you are just dumping your kids to be abused at the hands of criminals that were  court ordered from courts because that's what you are putting your kids with when you do this,if you think for a moment that is safe, trust me its not, its a bad experiment gone bad is all, sorry to be so bold. Protect your kids, because many get badly beaten and raped, and you will never know about it.

[Anonymous]

Leviticus was as big a self hating closet case as most of those who troll are.

[Anonymous]

Are you saying you are a troll? :feedtrolls:  :moon:  :roflmao:

[TheWho]

I think walking in at AA on own at a ripe age of?? And me being tied up and kidnapped at the age of 13 shows 2 different stories, most people at the age you were, were alcoholics like Art Barker, I was 13 and never did drugs nor drank, you were already at your worst and it did not take you out of school nor did it remove you from your home, starve you, keep you from your family, continuously having people screaming at you all day and night long for 12 hours or more daily, dehydrate you no one was given anything but some koolaid crap, you were lucky to get to use bathroom without shitting or pissing pants first , had to listen to crying and screaming........

Well, I suppose if I had to be honest I'd have to concede that a program saved my life. But the program I'm talking about is called AA. I was drinking so much I almost lost my liver at the ripe age of 39. God must have a plan for me though because I met my sponsor while puking on the side of the road and from that day on I've been sober. I would be dead if not for AA and it's miracle workers, and to be honest I really believe wholeheartedly my sponsor is my true guardian angel, in this life and the next. It's hard for me to explain how grateful I am to AA for saving my life. With that said, I can understand why someone who attributes an organization to saving their life is going to stand up for their belief that it helps people. I do the same for AA, and have now been sober long enough to be a sponsor. Does anybody here have problem with drinking or drugs and want a sponsor?

It is all about perspective and your personal experiences.  At one end of the spectrum you have a 13 year old kid who was kidnapped, handcuffed, beaten abused and raped and at the other we have an older person who got a sponsor for the first time went to AA and never drank again.  But there are a lot of people in-between.  The 13 year old doesn’t represent the experience of a typical program and the 39 year old doesn’t represent the typical success of AA.
I would expect a person who spent years caring for kids in a child hospice program to view hospitals or present medicine as very unsuccessful.  The same with kids who were abused in a program or never fully applied themselves.  Those who deliver babies probably think of hospitals as the greatest place on earth!! Those kids who are happy and successful post program are going to praise the place they were in.

It is important to understand the source and to know there are going to be people at both ends of the spectrum who don’t necessarily see eye to eye and not easily relate to each others experiences.  We see this play out many times on fornits.

[Anonymous]

I am talking about my life not my eye, anyone at all and any program at all should be shut down ,and was, for abusing children, and children should not be mixed in with  with ex cons, druggies as you all call them, alcoholics, prostitutes heroin using abusers, that were court ordered by the courts, who you all kidding here, would you stick your kids in with that type, I sure shit would not. Art Barker should be shot and beheaded for the shit he thinks he got away with.If you compare an honest body count on who this experiment helped  over who it did not help, the numbers would sky rocket towards the non helped souls , aa created a monster is all, that is where that bastard Art Barker got his sick ideas on how to open up a place  and make money off of souls who were either court ordered or forced to be there, and aa is mostly court ordered as well. so not likely that any will maintain being clean, ( in other words I do not think that  one drunk soul is worth harming any child over)however I am still clean after 49 years of my life, and not because some messed up soul had me in a cult. If money was not involved then known of these places would be opened, pretty sad that you would have to go through what I did to understand where I am coming from. I would not wish that on anyone, except the staff and the asshole who used the system to sponge off of others, FART BARKER himself. Plenty of hate outside those walls that are allowed to abuse children, to add more hate in this world is not needed. Experience the experience yourself, then speak out. Because at  either end it is wrong to punish kids for doing nothing wrong. Art Barker, Libby,Shelly, John underwood, all you staff idiots, your time will come, and trust me pay back is a bitch. I should have opened my mouth years ago, about what went on in that place, horrible to have to even think about it now, to go through it physically was really a nightmare. A child' should be a child for as long as possible, they should never experience an adults nightmare and I was in their nightmare, they used me to get out of jail free is all.

[Anonymous]

What is the age at aa? how old are the souls in that place, are they 13?   I did not think so.

[TheWho]

What is the age at aa? how old are the souls in that place, are they 13?   I did not think so.

AA varies from very young to very old.  Programs focus mostly on kids in their teen years.  Each program has specific age groups that they accept.

[Anonymous]

The average age of a AA member is 47, most are around that age, and that is according to survey.

[TheWho]

The average age of a AA member is 47, most are around that age, and that is according to survey.

That is another reason why programs are more suitable for Teens, not AA.

[Anonymous]

what is suitable i a parents LOVE!

[Anonymous]

In 2000, over 200,000 people entering a drug abuse recovery center said that marijuana was the primary drug that they abused.

question this:

A. "primary drug": marijuana is everyone's primary drug. it's not necessarily the drug that got them into rehab.
(as a side note, dont bring in the gateway drug theory here. most drug addicts tried marijuana, but not everyone who tried marijuana is a drug addict. also, most drug addicts start with other drugs before marijuana, such as prescription or otc meds, alcohol, tobacco, and sugar yet those drugs are not mentioned because there is no media outcry or goverment morality campaign against those drugs.

B. People convicted of drug offenses are more often than not given the opprotunity for treatment instead prison. Addict or not, if you get busted for smoking your hourly/daily/weekly/monthly/yearly doobie in the wrong state and are convicted, you sure as hell are going to choose rehab over jail. In fact, in some states and counties regardless of if you are an addict or alchoholic or not, if you commit a drug offense and tell the judge you are an addict, you will most likely receive a lighter sentence and/or the opportunity for rehabilitation. The majority of people who are reported statistically to have entered rehab for marijuana are in fact there because they were forced to and had to play along in order to save themselves from prison, not because they were actually addicts.  
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take this scenario for example: you are weekly pot smoker (every friday after a long week you have a doobie to unwind). on special occasions, you may delve into harder drugs: maybe you enjoy an annual line of coke or a few vicodins on new years. by no means an addict, you use drugs recreationally and responsibly and do not abuse them. this is not unusual. the majority of people who use drugs do so in this manner.
 
You are busted smoking doobie on the beach on new years in florida. such an offense carries a 1 year and $1,000 fine sentence, along with up to 2 years driver's license suspension. upon a search of your person/vehicle, the officer finds 1/8th of a gram of cocaine - just enough for two or three small lines. That carries a 5 year and $5,000 fine sentence. the prosecutor has an solid case against you due to your blabbering upon getting busted (as it really is 99% of the time). If you plead not guilty, you sure as hell are going to get the full sentence. The prosecutor cuts you a deal - in addition to some minimal cooperation and a guilty plea, you will be given 5 years probation, 30 days inpatient rehab, and 200 hours of community service. You plead guilty . Upon entering rehab, they ask you, what's your primary drug of choice? Marijuana. are you a marijuana addict? no. you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.