Author Topic: Supreme Court Rules School Districts Must Pay for Gulags  (Read 1428 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Supreme Court Rules School Districts Must Pay for Gulags
« on: June 22, 2009, 08:16:45 PM »
An Oregon family took there case to the SC and they ruled that

SCHOOL DISTRICTS MUST PAY TUITION TO PRIVATE GULAGS.

It's a dark day. What the hell has to happen to get this decision reversed? Or some clarification? Like the private school must actually be a private school and not a quasi psych facility subjecting kids to "therapy" that's not evidence-based.

http://blogs.jta.org/politics/article/2 ... l-decision

Agudath praises private school decision
By Eric Fingerhut · June 22, 2009


Agudath Israel of America is praising a Supreme Court decision Monday permitting tuition reimbursement from a school district to parents of special-education students who unilaterally place their children in private school.

"What the Supreme Court has now affirmed is that parents have the right to put their children and their special needs first, and to move ahead responsibly and expeditiously to provide what they believe will be most likely to bring the children success," said Rabbi Abba Cohen, director and counsel of Agudath's Washington office.

Agudath's full statement is after the jump:

After today’s U.S. Supreme Court ruling permitting tuition reimbursement from a school district to parents of special-education students who unilaterally place their children in private school, Rabbi Abba Cohen, Agudath Israel of America Washington Office director and counsel, made the following statement:

This is a welcome victory for disabled children and their parents. Too often we have found that school districts are not able to live up to their mandate of providing a “free appropriate education” for children with special needs. This could be for lack of funds or the ability to satisfy the educational, cultural or other requisites that would allow these children to excel.

In such circumstances parents must be afforded the utmost flexibility in finding a successful program their children. Parents know what will work for their children and the full range of their needs. Forcing them to utilize public programs known to be failing or to provide inadequate services and resources -- indeed, essentially wasting years of valuable time – is educationally unsound and, in effect, nothing less than a punishment for these vulnerable children.

No one is being taken advantage of here. The legitimacy of the placement and reimbursement will be determined.  What the Supreme Court has now affirmed is that parents have the right to put their children and their special needs first, and to move ahead responsibly and expeditiously to provide what they believe will be most likely to bring the children success.Background:  Students with disabilities are entitled by federal law to government-funded educational services.  The Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) was originally enacted in 1975 to eliminate discrimination against, or failure to adequately educate, such children.

Special-education needs are to be provided within existing public schools.  However, if an independent hearing officer or court finds that a school district’s program does not suit a particular student, the child may be placed in a private school to receive the necessary educational services, at the government’s expense.  

Since the evaluation and placement process can be lengthy, notes Mrs. Leah Steinberg, director of Project LEARN, Agudath Israel’s special education program, some parents opt to place their child in a private school, paying tuition out of pocket for the interim.  Mrs. Steinberg was instrumental in challenging the notion that a child must have attended a public school to qualify for special education services.  If parents eventually prevail in demonstrating the inappropriateness of the district’s proposed public school placement, she has maintained – and Agudath Israel has argued in amicus curiae briefs regarding such cases – they are entitled to reimbursement of the tuition costs incurred.  

It is that contention that has now been affirmed by the Supreme Court.  “We conclude,” wrote Justice John Paul Stevens for the majority in today’s ruling, “that IDEA authorizes reimbursement for the cost of special education services when a school district fails to provide a FAPE [“free and appropriated public education” – the language used in the IDEA] and the private-school placement is appropriate, regardless of whether the child previously received special education or related services through the public
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Re: Supreme Court Rules School Districts Must Pay for Gulags
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2009, 08:23:27 PM »
Ursus,
I have no time for this very important issue. Can you help me run down the players. The decision passed 6-3. Who voted yes? Any stake in the industry? Any connections?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Re: Supreme Court Rules School Districts Must Pay for Gulags
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2009, 08:31:53 PM »
Posted on Mon, Jun. 22, 2009    
Court says public must pay for private special ed
By JESSE J. HOLLANDAssociated Press Writer

WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court on Monday shifted the landscape for students with learning disabilities, saying parents can in many instances bypass public school special education programs and be reimbursed for private school tuition instead.

The court ruled 6-3 in favor of a teenage boy from Oregon whose parents sought to force their local public school district to pay the $5,200 a month it cost to send their son to a private school.

Under the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, the nation's special education students are entitled to a "free and appropriate public education." Federal law calls for school districts to reimburse students or their families for education costs when public schools do not have services that address or fulfill the students' needs.

But schools have argued that the law says parents of special education students must give public special education programs a chance before seeking reimbursement for private school tuition. The Forest Grove, Ore., School District said the parents were ineligible for reimbursement because their son had not been in public special education classes.

A majority at the Supreme Court disagreed.

"We conclude that IDEA authorizes reimbursement for the cost of special education services when a school district fails to provide a FAPE and the private-school placement is appropriate, regardless of whether the child previously received special education or related services through the public school," said Justice John Paul Stevens, who wrote the majority opinion.

In the case before the Supreme Court, the family of a teenage Oregon boy diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder - who was identified only as T.A. - sued the school district, saying the school did not properly address the student's learning problems. The family is seeking reimbursement for the student's tuition, which cost $5,200 a month. The family paid a total of $65,000 in private tuition.

In its appeal, the Forest Grove School District said students should be forced to at least give public special education programs a try before seeking reimbursement for private tuition. If not, lawyers argue, parents would bypass public schools and go directly to private school - and then ask for reimbursement from school systems already burdened by ever-increasing costs.

School districts "can avoid any liability for tuition reimbursement by providing a free appropriate public education to a child with a disability," said lawyer David Salmons, who argued the case for T.A. But "if they fail to do that, they may be responsible for private school tuition if the parents can show that it's an appropriate case."

The court's decision does not require reimbursement, but Stevens said school officials "must consider all relevant factors, including the notice provided by parents and the school district's opportunities for evaluating the child, in determining whether reimbursement for some or all of the cost of the child's private school education is warranted."

The federal courts must now determine whether T.A's parents will get his private school fees reimbursed from public school coffers. "The parents will now have an opportunity, which they have been seeking for some time, to show that reimbursement was an appropriate form of relief in this case," Salmons said.

Salmons said T.A. has now graduated high school and is pursuing a college degree.

Justice David Souter, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas dissented from the court's majority opinion.

"Given the burden of private school placement, it makes good sense to require parents to try to devise a satisfactory alternative within the public schools," Souter said in the dissent.

This is the court's second attempt at resolving this issue. The high court split 4-4 on a similar case from New York City two years ago. Justice Anthony Kennedy recused himself in the New York case but was among those who ruled on the Oregon case.

Nationwide, the number of special education students placed in private schools at public expense has not changed significantly over the last two decades, Justice Department lawyers said, citing statistics from the Education Department. Just under 67,000 pupils were in private placements in 2007 - just 1.1 percent of the country's nearly 6 million special education students.

The case is Forest Grove School District v. T.A., 08-305.

Join the discussion

The Fort Worth Star-Telegram is pleased to provide this opportunity for you to share your thoughts and observations about news topics. We enjoy lively debate on the issues of the day, but we ask that you refrain from using profanity, racist or hate speech, making personal attacks, posting advertising or including remarks that are off topic. To post comments, you must be a registered user of Star-Telegram.com. Your username will show along with the comments you post. Thank you for taking the time to offer your thoughts.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Re: Supreme Court Rules School Districts Must Pay for Gulags
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2009, 08:36:33 PM »
jesus.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Re: Supreme Court Rules School Districts Must Pay for Gulags
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2009, 08:49:24 PM »
Why did it go this way?

I thought there were articles written in time about how this gulag sexually abused their captives as a way of treating them.

I thought people were on top of this.

What happened?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Re: Supreme Court Rules School Districts Must Pay for Gulags
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2009, 09:00:06 PM »
Sooo, the young man is out of school and attending college.
Who paid for / instigated this little test case?
Bain? CRC Health Group?

The Ed Cons are going to be on the horn tomorrow with a campaign to fill up every gulag from coast to coast.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Ursus

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 8989
  • Karma: +3/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Supreme Court Rules School Districts Must Pay for Gulags
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2009, 09:08:04 PM »
Quote from: "Guest55"
Ursus,
I have no time for this very important issue. Can you help me run down the players. The decision passed 6-3. Who voted yes? Any stake in the industry? Any connections?

It is possible that recent Bazelon material affected the court's decision. Bazelon put out a statement essentially supporting the parents over the public school system in this particular case ... with, however, the express and heavily referenced recommendation that RTCs and TBSs were NOT a good idea for any kid, let alone special needs kids. The Supreme Court seems to have listened to part A, but not part B, of that statement.

I'll try to research the specifics you cite as I am able...
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
-------------- • -------------- • --------------

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Re: Supreme Court Rules School Districts Must Pay for Gulags
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2009, 09:12:43 PM »
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Guest55"
Ursus,
I have no time for this very important issue. Can you help me run down the players. The decision passed 6-3. Who voted yes? Any stake in the industry? Any connections?

It is possible that recent Bazelon material affected the court's decision. Bazelon put out a statement essentially supporting the parents over the public school system in this particular case ... with, however, the express and heavily referenced recommendation that RTCs and TBSs were NOT a good idea for any kid, let alone special needs kids. The Supreme Court seems to have listened to part A, but not part B, of that statement.

I'll try to research the specifics you cite as I am able...

This is ridiculous. Presumably this will be countered by the next district expextd to pay for a gulag. (yes i know its a supreme court case)
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Re: Supreme Court Rules School Districts Must Pay for Gulags
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2009, 09:36:23 PM »
I'm all for districts paying for private placements, but they should be legitimate private "schools".
Does that mean parents will be reimbursed for the cost of sending their kid to such places as Judge 'Rotten'burg House of Torture?

Did the District's attorney have info on MBA and the controversial nature of the industry?
Does FAPE have any requirements for the private schools offering "therapy"?
Like, must be evidence-based. Must actually provide an education, equal to or better than the District?
 
Just when Miller's investigation and the recession were having a significant impact, we get this.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Re: Supreme Court Rules School Districts Must Pay for Gulags
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2009, 09:44:57 PM »
Quote from: "Guest55"
I'm all for districts paying for private placements, but they should be legitimate private "schools".
Does that mean parents will be reimbursed for the cost of sending their kid to such places as Judge 'Rotten'burg House of Torture?

Did the District's attorney have info on MBA and the controversial nature of the industry?
.


I don't understand how they didn't. It sounds like someone really dropped the ball here, or someone was bribed. This makes NO sense
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Ursus

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 8989
  • Karma: +3/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Supreme Court Rules School Districts Must Pay for Gulags
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2009, 10:53:45 PM »
Quote from: "Guest55"
I'm all for districts paying for private placements, but they should be legitimate private "schools".
Does that mean parents will be reimbursed for the cost of sending their kid to such places as Judge 'Rotten'burg House of Torture?

Did the District's attorney have info on MBA and the controversial nature of the industry?
Does FAPE have any requirements for the private schools offering "therapy"?
Like, must be evidence-based. Must actually provide an education, equal to or better than the District?
 
Just when Miller's investigation and the recession were having a significant impact, we get this.

There may be a bit of a silver lining to all this, in that public school districts will be taking a closer look at what they are having to shell out for. Any spotlight on what this industry actually does is bound to educate folks more re. what is really going on.

    The court's decision does not require reimbursement, but Stevens said school officials "must consider all relevant factors, including the notice provided by parents and the school district's opportunities for evaluating the child, in determining whether reimbursement for some or all of the cost of the child's private school education is warranted."[/list]

    What are the chances that school officials are going to seek reasons that placement at a pricey joint like MBA is "unwarranted?" They will probably be looking hard. And they may well find that some (saner) community-based alternative will be "more appropriate."

    On the other hand, this ruling creates an economic incentive for school districts to seek reasons to nay-say any expensive placement, some of which may well be quite legitimate.
    « Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
    -------------- • -------------- • --------------

    Offline Ursus

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 8989
    • Karma: +3/-0
      • View Profile
    Re: Supreme Court Rules School Districts Must Pay for Gulags
    « Reply #11 on: June 22, 2009, 11:51:07 PM »
    Quote from: "Eliscu2"
    read this: http://http://www.bazelon.org/pdf/ForestGrove_factsheet.pdf

    That is the Bazelon statement I referred to above. It has been copied out in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27474
    « Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
    -------------- • -------------- • --------------

    Offline Anonymous

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 164653
    • Karma: +3/-4
      • View Profile
    Re: Supreme Court Rules School Districts Must Pay for Gulags
    « Reply #12 on: June 22, 2009, 11:53:02 PM »
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    There may be a bit of a silver lining to all this, in that public school districts will be taking a closer look at what they are having to shell out for. Any spotlight on what this industry actually does is bound to educate folks more re. what is really going on.

      The court's decision does not require reimbursement, but Stevens said school officials "must consider all relevant factors, including the notice provided by parents and the school district's opportunities for evaluating the child, in determining whether reimbursement for some or all of the cost of the child's private school education is warranted."[/list]

      What are the chances that school officials are going to seek reasons that placement at a pricey joint like MBA is "unwarranted?" They will probably be looking hard. And they may well find that some (saner) community-based alternative will be "more appropriate."

      On the other hand, this ruling creates an economic incentive for school districts to seek reasons to nay-say any expensive placement, some of which may well be quite legitimate.

      Yes I thought about that.
      The gov, at the very least, should put some kind of cap on what it will pay, just a Medicare sets the price it pays doctors.
      Any idea what the average cost is per child for public vs a gulag? I know it's nowhere near $5600 month, the current going rate for a gulag.
      « Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

      Offline Anonymous

      • Newbie
      • *
      • Posts: 164653
      • Karma: +3/-4
        • View Profile
      Re: Supreme Court Rules School Districts Must Pay for Gulags
      « Reply #13 on: June 22, 2009, 11:58:48 PM »
      Quote from: "Guest55"
      Quote from: "Ursus"
      There may be a bit of a silver lining to all this, in that public school districts will be taking a closer look at what they are having to shell out for. Any spotlight on what this industry actually does is bound to educate folks more re. what is really going on.

        The court's decision does not require reimbursement, but Stevens said school officials "must consider all relevant factors, including the notice provided by parents and the school district's opportunities for evaluating the child, in determining whether reimbursement for some or all of the cost of the child's private school education is warranted."[/list]

        What are the chances that school officials are going to seek reasons that placement at a pricey joint like MBA is "unwarranted?" They will probably be looking hard. And they may well find that some (saner) community-based alternative will be "more appropriate."

        On the other hand, this ruling creates an economic incentive for school districts to seek reasons to nay-say any expensive placement, some of which may well be quite legitimate.

        Yes I thought about that.


        The gov, at the very least, should put some kind of cap on what it will pay, just a Medicare sets the price it pays doctors.
        Any idea what the average cost is per child for public vs a gulag? I know it's nowhere near $5600 month, the current going rate for a gulag.

        Actually, you guys, this ruling does NOT ORDER school districts to pay for gulags JUST for them to consider doing so. Not so bad.
        « Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

        Offline Troll Control

        • Newbie
        • *
        • Posts: 7391
        • Karma: +1/-0
          • View Profile
        Re: Supreme Court Rules School Districts Must Pay for Gulags
        « Reply #14 on: June 23, 2009, 12:44:14 PM »
        Ahhh...yes.  I read this whole thread and until this last post, the essence of the case was not reflected.  The plaintiff earned the right to sue but did not win any judgment.  I suspect that they will lose this case when it's heard.
        « Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
        The Linchpin Link

        Whooter - The Most Prolific Troll Fornits Has Ever Seen - The Definitive Links
        **********************************************************************************************************
        "Looks like a nasty aspentrolius sticci whooterensis infestation you got there, Ms. Fornits.  I\'ll get right to work."

        - Troll Control