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Re: Katies Story
« Reply #45 on: April 10, 2009, 10:57:43 PM »
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Out of respect for Katie, perhaps we can wait stay on-topic...  Just a kind request.


Katie, I really recommend joining the lawsuit to help with your independence, something you should be further along with now—and would have been had you not been incarcerated and tortured/brainwashed throughout your entire adolescence—I can promise you, justice  is the best cure for depression and ptsd!
http://www.turleylaw.com/

The Turley suit is not taking new plaintiffs at this time.

But guys, lets remember that she is just now coming to terms with her stay in Cross Creek, she has mentioned to me that she doesn't think she was abused, yet she also said that she had been restrained and isolated, so I think she has a way to go before she understands the gravity of the "treatment" she received in CCM. I think we should let her get to that point in the story before we suggest lawsuits, at this point I would be more inclined to suggest that her parents were even more psychologically abusive then the program was. In fact, from what I gather, and as sad as this sounds she might have been happier at CCM than she was/is at home.
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Re: Katies Story
« Reply #46 on: April 10, 2009, 11:00:48 PM »
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It’s interesting that Castle mentioned being brainwashed into idolizing his dad.

I should, perhaps, elaborate on that.

The seeds had already been sown when they separated. People now are more knowledgeable in terms of how to create a healthy dynamic between the parent who has custody and the one who does not. But in the 70s, that was not the case.

My mother had custody. As such, when my father had visitation, every time was "fun time". Junk food, staying up late, toys, chuck e cheese and water slides. If you see your kids every other week, you want to make the most of it, you know? My dad's mid-life crisis/bachelor lifestyle, with the porsche and the boat and the good looking girlfriends didnt help, either. All of this easily sets up a "good guy/bad guy" situation. My mom was the disciplinarian, she had to deal with my drek every day, whereas I normally only got one or two star-studded backhands from my father during the weekends, which were quickly forgiven, since I was so happy to see him. (And no, he is not a child abuser. 70s parents did things differently. You mouthed off, the riposte was the hand of dad, and I have always had an extremely foul, vulgar mouth. Doesn't mean its right, though.) It paled in comparison to the whippings and thrown objects from my mother. It never occurred to me that if I were living with my dad, things would have been just as explosive.

It is known now that parents with visitation have to have down time with their kids as well, to prevent this lopsided perception issue.

All my mother heard from me was how badly I wanted to live with him. Every time I came  back from a visit, I'd be in tears. This certainly didn't help her emotionally. She was the one who had to take care of me, clean up after me, discipline me, go to the parent teacher meetings, get a job a substitute teacher so she could support my sister and I, while the old man walked out, didn't pay much child support (especially for a kid with as many medical problems as I), and basically embraced the lifestyle of a recent college grad. Trust me when I say that many times she wished I COULD go live with my father, and she said so often, at about 90 decibels.

CEDU exploited that. They oversimplified the situation. Never addressed the overall issue, never put it in its proper context. (ESPECIALLY never talked about how the relationship became primarily materialistic, and was initiated by the parent.) Not only that, they also encouraged demonizing my mother, who certainly didnt deserve that. They exacerbated the already slanted perception. So he was the one I cried about every time they played "I need you" or "what about me?" in propheets (ugh), this despite the fact that after finally living with my father full-time before I was placed, I couldn't stand him, and he and my stepmother kept their bedroom door locked at night because they thought I was going to kill them. (which was ignorant and paranoid on their part. So I was into wicca, big whoop-de-doo.)

However, coming out of the place, everything was suddenly hunky dory, even though NOTHING in our relationship had been resolved. Especially since any parental issues kids work with at the place is done in isolation, and not with the parent. As such, the honeymoon had the half-life of a mayfly.

The sad thing is, the thought of seeing him as my hero today makes me cringe, and to this day, even though I remember clearly my crying fits after visits when I was a child, I honestly can't comprehend why I felt that way. I was made to scream about it so much at CEDU, that whatever true sorrow I felt about the divorce was run through a grinder and rendered into dust. The issue was never really addressed, it was simply killed, and true perspective was never achieved. I was made to regard it as if I were five years old again.

My connection with my parents was effectively severed. It took me years to rebuild one with my mother. I dont know if it will ever happen with my dad.

My friend and fellow alum S experienced the exact same thing. We pretty much freaked each other out when we had a conversation about it as adults. The similarities were uncanny.

Which is why I staunchly maintain that programs do not help families. They destroy them. No matter how much gets patched up afterwards, over a period of years, it will never ever be the same again.

Programs constantly encourage and facilitate regression in their "therapeutic" practices. As a result, it makes it impossible for the kid to relate to their parents as an adult when they get out. You basically pick up where you left off before you went into the clink, with about ten trunks more baggage.



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I think we should let her get to that point in the story before we suggest lawsuits,

Agreed. Now is the time for decompression and debriefing between her and her folks, on whatever level that may be.


Hopefully it will work out better than it did for some of us. All I can really offer is my perspective, so I hope it can help.
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Re: Katies Story
« Reply #47 on: April 10, 2009, 11:13:57 PM »
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In fact, from what I gather, and as sad as this sounds she might have been happier at CCM than she was/is at home.

You win the prize for stupid.
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Re: Katies Story
« Reply #48 on: April 10, 2009, 11:32:09 PM »
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Out of respect for Katie, perhaps we can wait stay on-topic...  Just a kind request.


Katie, I really recommend joining the lawsuit to help with your independence, something you should be further along with now—and would have been had you not been incarcerated and tortured/brainwashed throughout your entire adolescence—I can promise you, justice  is the best cure for depression and ptsd!
http://www.turleylaw.com/

The Turley suit is not taking new plaintiffs at this time.

But guys, lets remember that she is just now coming to terms with her stay in Cross Creek, she has mentioned to me that she doesn't think she was abused, yet she also said that she had been restrained and isolated, so I think she has a way to go before she understands the gravity of the "treatment" she received in CCM. I think we should let her get to that point in the story before we suggest lawsuits, at this point I would be more inclined to suggest that her parents were even more psychologically abusive then the program was. In fact, from what I gather, and as sad as this sounds she might have been happier at CCM than she was/is at home.

Kaite, contact these people anyway. Lawsuits against the people who tortured you, heal. Criminal charges are  even better, if you can get the feds to help you
there is no healing without justice, imo
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Re: Katies Story
« Reply #49 on: April 11, 2009, 12:17:49 AM »
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Programs constantly encourage and facilitate regression in their "therapeutic" practices. As a result, it makes it impossible for the kid to relate to their parents as an adult when they get out. You basically pick up where you left off before you went into the clink, with about ten trunks more baggage.

Thank you for that Castle, I really enjoy reading your posts.  :notworthy:

I think the same is true for WWASP as well... We were taught to accept that our parents were always right, and perfect (well the ones paying the paycheck that is) and anything we had to say about how they acted was automatically turned around to point out some kind of problem we had that justified their actions. I never understood it, yet I saw it time and again and not just from staff but the upper levels and other kids too... that was simply part of the doctrine there "obey thy mother and father, they can do no wrong". I can remember one time in particular there was this 14 year old girl who was such an amazing person to be around, she had a great sense of humor and a quick wit, you might say she had an attractive personality. Her problem was with "partying" apparently she drank and smoked weed but you could really consider that normal teenage stuff, she kept up her grades and rarely got into any trouble. Her mom however was a mentally unstable, abusive, drug store addict/ alcoholic and this girl told us of some really fucked up shit that her mom did to her and her dad (who moved to a different city just to escape her mother). Yet, for some reason people always gave her feed back that she was somehow taking advantage of her mothers illness in order to use drugs (only weed mind you), or that she was the one driving her mother crazy. There were more than a few times I would just laugh out loud at the ridiculous concepts the program tried to force on us, i feel sorry for those that came to believe it but I just don't see the logic in that. Our parents are human too and they also happen to be half of the goddamn problem.

I really think programs are designed to be the child repair factory for parents, not actually help the kids. That's why when it came time for the kids to come home all we knew is the program jargon and not how to maintain a healthy lifestyle. This really got in the way of relating to our parents as anything else besides the authoritarian despite the fact that we were of the age that we were supposed to be making our own decisions, and the parent child relationship would be dissolving. I think it was hardest for me to talk to my mom when I got home, because instead of confiding in her, I was always afraid that she would punish me or more namely that she would send me back to the program. Trust with my mom wasn't established until well into my young adult years, after I had moved out and wasn't under the threat of her parental wrath. Now, as that fear of her authority wore off, we get along much much better.
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Re: Katies Story
« Reply #50 on: April 11, 2009, 01:24:14 AM »
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Re: Katies Story
« Reply #51 on: April 11, 2009, 07:45:17 AM »
Alright everyone. Lets get this started again. Part four.

I was hospitalized in Khys again as I said, for slightly longer this time. I still continued to receive visits from family, but the tension was apparent even in a structured and moderated facility. The second time I was in treatment I had a room by myself. I felt so scared and alone I would beg Mollie to come and sit in my room until I fell asleep. I needed someone there. I turned off my emotions, thinking that no body could help me, due to beliefs ingrained in me not only by my biological mother but from my step-mother. I dearly wished that I would have died in that second attempt. Again my medication changed. I was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder ( a very mild form of bipolar) and night terrors at 14 years old. I was the family screw up. Has anyone read the trumpeter swan or saw the movie? To be swift about explaining my point a swan is born with no voice and everyone thinks there is something wrong with him. He leaves his family to try and find a way to communicate. While he is gone his father steals a trumpet that simulates the sounds a swan makes. This is basically how I felt. I was the swan with no voice. I was the one with the problem I was the one who was different than anyone else. Yet again I was discharged, but this time to “ensure my safety” I was put into an outpatient program where I could go to school at the facility and have daily check-ups then go home at night. This continued for 4 weeks. I became comfortable. I felt as if I was safe while I was there. No yelling, fun activities and fieldtrips. I had Mollie. I began to feel better again. I felt that I was finally starting to become normal, but as if so happens in my life, my perception is no where close to reality. When I “graduated” I got to go back to middle school. YAY! Not.
My brothers had let it slip that I had been admitted to Khys. You see in my school, everyone knew about the facility. It was “the suicidal hangout” or the “crazy people place”. The moment I walked back into the school the whispers began. The pointing. It was even worse than before. You see I had been able to slip under the radar as just another person people get interested in for a few days and move on, now I was a psycho kid. I was ‘the freak”. In sociology there are three main causes of deviant behaviour, Labelling is one of them. When labelled often a person will live up to the label so as to fit in with those like them. This was my case. I dressed in all black. I hung out with the “Goth or Emo” kids. I tried to stand out in the crowd. All in all, after the second hospitalization I didn’t care whatsoever for anyone or anything. I began to slack off in my school work and blow it all off to hang out with… yep you guessed it. Christy.
Her family got evicted due to late rent so she moved into the motel a few blocks from my house. It was even more convenient fro me, because my parents didn’t know what room she was in, so I could go and they couldn’t find me. I could hide from everything they wanted to blame me for.
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Re: Katies Story
« Reply #52 on: April 11, 2009, 10:10:07 AM »
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Kaite, contact these people anyway. Lawsuits against the people who tortured you, heal. Criminal charges are even better, if you can get the feds to help you
there is no healing without justice, imo

I think this is a bit premature, guest.  Katie hasn’t mentioned any torture that I can see with the exception of the public school system.  Spending years trying to pursue lawsuits and a continual rehashing of what you went thru is not only unhealthy but leaves the victim even more hollow and deserted after the trial when everyone goes back to their lives and you realize you have spent years spewing venom and hatred and put your life on hold and now have no one in your life.
I would suggest that Katie continue to move forward and start to build her life anew and surround herself with people who love her for who she is (not lawyers and other parasites).  Lets not try to use Katie for our own agendas, she has been through enough.  Let her decide if she wants to put this all behind her or spend her life hating and pursuing revenge.

At this point writting her story is a healthy response and step in her life and will lead to understanding of what happened to her.

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Re: Katies Story
« Reply #53 on: April 11, 2009, 11:45:25 AM »
Yup, he's getting paid to post here. "Please don't sue us for abusing you! Please remain a silent victim!"
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« Reply #54 on: April 11, 2009, 04:54:31 PM »
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Kaite, contact these people anyway. Lawsuits against the people who tortured you, heal. Criminal charges are even better, if you can get the feds to help you
there is no healing without justice, imo

I think this is a bit premature, guest.  Katie hasn’t mentioned any torture that I can see with the exception of the public school system.  
NeilW

katie has not described torture, she has described bullying. As someone who feels everything is innapropriately turned into "torture" on this website, you'd think you'd be more apt with your language
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Re: Katies Story
« Reply #55 on: April 11, 2009, 06:07:31 PM »
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Kaite, contact these people anyway. Lawsuits against the people who tortured you, heal. Criminal charges are even better, if you can get the feds to help you
there is no healing without justice, imo

I think this is a bit premature, guest.  Katie hasn’t mentioned any torture that I can see with the exception of the public school system.  
NeilW

katie has not described torture, she has described bullying. As someone who feels everything is innapropriately turned into "torture" on this website, you'd think you'd be more apt with your language

Stick around, some people would define bullying as torture and abusive.  You must have missed the colored t-shirt discussion.
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Re: Katies Story
« Reply #56 on: April 12, 2009, 08:20:26 AM »
Let's not be to premature about passing off torture as bullying. For all we know the "bullying" could have been the systematic targeting of one person by request of staff.

I've seen it before and if you know anything about CEDU such shennanigans are common place in their raps. Captives are reduced to tears or worst by other students in front of staff and often at the encouragement of staff.

I'd call that abuse and mental torture.
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« Reply #57 on: April 12, 2009, 04:39:33 PM »
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Let's not be to premature about passing off torture as bullying. For all we know the "bullying" could have been the systematic targeting of one person by request of staff.

I've seen it before and if you know anything about CEDU such shennanigans are common place in their raps. Captives are reduced to tears or worst by other students in front of staff and often at the encouragement of staff.

I'd call that abuse and mental torture.

the bulllying happened in a regular public school. You should edit that, dear, maybe :nods:
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Re: Katies Story
« Reply #58 on: April 12, 2009, 07:28:15 PM »
Ok. It seems like with every single instalment my story becomes more and more difficult to write…

At this point in 8th grade I began to skip classes and hang out in the counsellor’s office. I was depressed and lonely. Christy had quit coming to school for a long while, and I jest felt as I if were the only one in school that had the same issues I did. I began to slack off in my favorite class: orchestra. I had been plying the cello for 4 years and was the 1st chair of my section (basically the captain). I was put to 2nd chair because I wasn’t concentrating enough and my playing was suffering. I felt horrible. Music was one thing I did well, that not even yelling could affect…. I felt like it was taken away from me. I began to fake sick more and more so I could go home, and get away from the craziness of the world around me.
My parents arranged for me to have a therapist when I graduated form khys, and I went once a week. She helped me to unload all of the shit I built up over the time I was away from the safe environment. Just the drive to the office was a hassle for me and Diane. Almost 90% of the time in the car` was spent in silence and the other 10% consisted of us yelling at each other. To put it bluntly things were like having my own personal hell at home, when most kids have their own personal sanctuary, in the thought that most kids can drop the act of images and happiness, as well as who they have to be at school. I didn’t I have that luxury. The mask of my image went on, and never came off. I became the clothes; the music. I was no longer me. There was no place that I could be myself. I remember writing in my journal:

“I am alone in a crowded room, as the only person in a mask. For people are masquerading as something else but when the night comes, the masks fall off and become dust. Mine stays as if cemented to my being. I am unable to remove it even if I wanted to.”

Nowhere was safe. I always had to protect myself with my only defence, my attitude and my friends.

I wasn’t interested in the same things anymore. All I wanted to do was be around Christy somehow, every time I was with her I felt alive again. Whole. It wouldn’t last. As I said before, I had a completely skewed perception of reality. I was 14 years old. I felt as if there wasn’t anything to live for. Yet again. I attempted suicide. This time I made it known. Goodbye, I screamed to my parents. I wanted them to know that I loved them. I took my med card out of the kitchen and up into the bathroom in a flash. My dad saw and followed me. He was shouting for my brother to help him. I locked the bathroom door. I looked at myself in the mirror and hated what I saw.
I began to empty the med card, and take the pills that would end my life. My dad got into the bathroom. He wrestled one out of my hand. I was stunned. I didn’t understand why. Why was he trying to stop me? Isn’t this what he wanted? Wouldn’t he be happier? I didn’t get it at the time. Why did he care?“LEAVE ME ALONE! LET ME DO THIS!!!” I kept screaming at him. I wanted it to be over. I would not be hurting so much… I didn’t understand why he suddenly cared about me now…
I was taken to the hospital. I had to drink charcoal. And I hated it. Sometimes I wish I would have died. Maybe it would have relieved me of the pain I had to go through later on, but that is another story. The nurse gave me a look of utter disapproval. I was embarrassed. I was crazy. Every doctor that looked at my chart knew why I was there. Every single one of them mad me feel…….worthless. Their faces are burnt into my memory, like the spots in your vision if you stare at the sun too long. The expressions weren’t of compassion like doctors have in the movies. The looks were of disgust. I was disgusting. I surely felt it. I had charcoal on my face, and my hands. I was vomiting charcoal, pooping charcoal. I felt like I was being drowned in it. I had to drink a gallon to neutralize the toxins from the medications I took. It was demoralizing. I felt violated.
I was evaluated by the on site psychologist. I was to be admitted into a treatment center once again. Khys was full. I was horrified. At least Mollie would have been there to help me understand to explain why my life was worth living. I was transported in the ambulance. I was strapped to the gurney for a 2 hour ride, with the medics staring at me like I was a monster. My parent went home. I was admitted to Dettmer mental hospital. I got there at around 2 am in the morning. At this point I was so tired I just went to sleep on whatever mattress they told me. I was in Dettmer for 3 1/2 weeks with a daily check-up, by yet another therapist. I was again diagnosed with borderline personality disorder and night terrors. I grew frustrated because I already knew that.
The visits were less frequent due to the drive. My parents always ended the visits with: we love you and what to help you get better. They wanted to help me. Why would they allow the arguing and insults? It takes two people to tango, so it was not all my fault. But I was told I was the problem. It was ME who was causing the issues. I had to get better. It was like a goddamn pointing fingers game. I had to be the one who took responsibility for my actions…. (Take the blame) what about everyone else? I got yelled at for insults… did anyone else? I think not.

    QUICK NOTE HERE: I am the child. I am supposed to make mistakes. To get angry, and yell once in a while, but what about the adults? Do they get punished? No. they get a slap on the hand and a get out of jail free card. The children have to be the responsible ones. When did that role switch? Can anyone tell me, because I missed the memo.

Anyway back to my story…while at Dettmer I grew very distant. I didn’t speak much. All I wanted was an escape from hell. A get out of jail card, not a free one, but a get out of jail card. Sadly life isn’t like monopoly and no matter how many times I rolled to get out of prison I never got out.

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Re: Katies Story
« Reply #59 on: April 12, 2009, 09:06:44 PM »
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Let's not be to premature about passing off torture as bullying. For all we know the "bullying" could have been the systematic targeting of one person by request of staff.

I've seen it before and if you know anything about CEDU such shennanigans are common place in their raps. Captives are reduced to tears or worst by other students in front of staff and often at the encouragement of staff.

I'd call that abuse and mental torture.

Good point Che Gookin.  If you read Katies story and the blog the abuse and mental torture incurred from the local public school system was unbearable.  Katie was being abused terribly and her father pulling her from this destructive environment was the correct thing to do imo,(I don’t think anyone could effectively argue against this decision).  
So if the local school system and local therapies are not working then there is only one logical next step and that is to seek help outside of the community which is what Michael did. If he cared about his money more then he cared about his daughter he would have just let her suffer thru school and hope she survived the abuse and suicide attempts long enough to graduate like many here suggest is the better route to take, ie doing nothing is better than any program.
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