Katies Story

[TheWho]

Katie, don´t worry about the guest comments.
Just keep writting - you are  very talented !
I must say I admire how mature you sound - but then again its no wonder after all you have been through.

I have noticed reading from the parents blog and Katies personal account that she matured tremendously during her time at Cross Creek and an increase in self esteem comes across also.  This is one of many accomplishments that "some" programs provide.  I say some because I have read here about programs which do not accomplish this.  My child realized an accelerated period of maturation (and also in self esteem) while attending her program .

NeilW

[psy]

Katie, don´t worry about the guest comments.
Just keep writting - you are  very talented !
I must say I admire how mature you sound - but then again its no wonder after all you have been through.

I have noticed reading from the parents blog and Katies personal account that she matured tremendously during her time at Cross Creek and an increase in self esteem comes across also.  This is one of many accomplishments that "some" programs provide.  I say some because I have read here about programs which do not accomplish this.  My child realized an accelerated period of maturation (and also in self esteem) while attending her program .

NeilW

Or maybe she's been beaten down and broken so much she's afraid of starting any conflict at all...

asshole.

What you call "mature" I call "well trained".  Maturity for it's own sake is one thing (a good thing), but when it's done out of knee jerk fear, it's not so good.  Sometimes a good "effect" is just window dressing for something more sinister required to produce the effect.

Oh programs produce "results" (temporary, mostly).  I've never argued with that.  But the way they do it...  that's what I have a problem with.  When it's not actively beating kids down until they obey unquestionably, it's stripping them of their identity and changing them without their express knowledge and consent.  In the long run, that's not maturity at all, and certaily not healthy.

What programs teach kids is not maturity per-se, but to act mature (or else!).  There is a big difference.  Acting and knowing why are two very different things.  In the end, only growing up and maturing, can teach those lessons.  There is no quick way.  There is no "pay me and i'll teach your kid these values".  Like most marketing, it's bullshit.

Example: most kids get taught lots of words in program.. lots of "tools" and so on.  You ask a kid what they learned in program and the'll tell you taht they learned the tools they need to suceed, that they learned responsibility and accountability and bla bla bla, but if you ask them to actually define any of those terms or any of those tools they go blank.  They've been taught to speak and act on que, yes, but not to think (quite the opposite).

[Anonymous]

Another solution could have been for Katie to lose some weight and quit cutting herself (maybe mix in some others colors other than black every other day) and that would have helped with the bullying and then show a little respect at home like her brothers did and all of this would have been avoided.
I dont think her brothers had a problem with the school system or home arrangements and put a lid on the drama. If they did they were smart enough not to get their asses sent away.Guest
 

 i think those are the only two people who wuld have the dexterity to go and say that. If you want to insult me do it somewhere in your own mind please i dont want to hear the bullshit on here thankyou very much. :blabla:  :lala:  :feedtrolls:  :fuckoff:

As clinical studies have shown, kids aren't bullied for how they look, but because they cannot psychologically "fight back."

Two causes, have been clinically established as creating kids who can't "fight back"—being raised by parents who are overprotective, or parents who are abusive. A huge percentage of abused kids get bullied at school, because they are psychologically weaker than other kids and provide an open target for people seeking the emotional high of domination and sadism.


Katie, that monster insulting you is thewho. Pay him no mind, he mocks sexual abuse victims with regularity and invariably defends the beating deaths of children in due-processless captivity. He is a hired gun for the industry/completely insane. Funny, he is good for apt representation of the "therapy" in cross creek and places like it, as there blame and shame is aimed creully and medically invalidly at the detainee in the form of "feedback" and "confrontation."I guess its a lot easier hearing that sort of thing over the internet than for 4-12 hours a day at Cross Creek

[Anonymous]

Katie, don´t worry about the guest comments.
Just keep writting - you are  very talented !
I must say I admire how mature you sound - but then again its no wonder after all you have been through.

I have noticed reading from the parents blog and Katies personal account that she matured tremendously during her time at Cross Creek and an increase in self esteem comes across also.  This is one of many accomplishments that "some" programs provide.  I say some because I have read here about programs which do not accomplish this.  My child realized an accelerated period of maturation (and also in self esteem) while attending her program .

NeilW

The who, that's funny. On another thread, what you said was great about the supposed program you put your suoppsed daughter in, was that it 'de-matured' her. The problem being she was too mature. Your bullshit changes from moment to moment. As a hired gun, you truly suck


KATIE, SUE CROSS CREEK IN THE TURLKEY LAWSUIT.

[TheWho]

........... On another thread, what you said was great about the supposed program you put your suoppsed daughter in, was that it 'de-matured' her. The problem being she was too mature. Your bullshit changes from moment to moment. As a hired gun, you truly suck.

Why not provide the link where I said her program made her less mature?  I will defend my statements, but I need to know what you are talking about.

[Anonymous]

........... On another thread, what you said was great about the supposed program you put your suoppsed daughter in, was that it 'de-matured' her. The problem being she was too mature. Your bullshit changes from moment to moment. As a hired gun, you truly suck.

Why not provide the link where I said her program made her less mature?  I will defend my statements, but I need to know what you are talking about.

You just admitted to being "thewho." Whoops! Thanks

[TheWho]

Katie, that monster insulting you is thewho. Pay him no mind, he mocks sexual abuse victims with regularity and invariably defends the beating deaths of children in due-processless captivity. He is a hired gun for the industry/completely insane. Funny, he is good for apt representation of the "therapy" in cross creek and places like it, as there blame and shame is aimed creully and medically invalidly at the detainee in the form of "feedback" and "confrontation."I guess its a lot easier hearing that sort of thing over the internet than for 4-12 hours a day at Cross Creek

I forgot to mention that he also killed his entire family and travels around the country trying to get people to send their kids to programs and raping children.  He is a monster, Please dont trust him, you need to listen to me, the voice of reason.  I really am!!  Dont listen to anyone else here accept me.  You can recognize my posts because I log in as "Guest".

[Antigen]

There's always plenty of conjecture about what really drives Who's passion. While there may be money involved, I don't think that explains it so well or so simply as the obvious fact that these programs are cults. Cults tend to proselytize and be all evangelical. They also tend to isolate people from those who may have witnessed the same events from the past but have a non-program-compliant view of them. So people involved in them often honestly remember things very differently from how they happened. Now everybody's memory is a little flawed, more so than most people would like to believe.

 I don't really have a need to go to accusing the guy of making money doing what he loves. It's enough to note that he's doing it, whatever his motivation.

  The thought reform techniques used at CCM are nearly identical to those employed at Straight, Inc. and they are psychologically and emotionally brutal. There simply is no kind or gentle way to change someone's beliefs or behavior against their own will. The only way to do that is to break their will and that's just never a gentle process.

  And I can tell you from experience that it is tremendously painful and demoralizing for someone coming out of a couple of years in a program to have the Program line shoved down your throat some more.

  Write on, Katie! Write on!

[Antigen]

Not to brag or anything, God knows I'm far from a perfect mother. But this seems to be working out ok. When my daughter was being severly bullied at school, we seriously considered my moving to the next town so that she could escape the situation. We both looked at places together, scratched out the math, did the logistics and discussed all the implications over hot chocolate at the lunch counter in that town. In the course of all this, we pretty much figured out that the same kids who were mistreating her tend to shuttle back and forth between the two towns anyway. In fact a few of them were already there.

At the same time, we all (me, her sisters, their friends and  mine) gave her some tips on self defense, diffusion, choices in friends. I don't know how much of it was the content of the advice and how much was just being made to feel important and loved and a little bit trusted but she seems to be having a better time of it.

[Che Gookin]

Chapter 5 of the Escaper's guide might help with your wee one. It has some good pointers on how to cripple escorts in order to escape.

[FemanonFatal2.0]

Another solution could have been for Katie to lose some weight and quit cutting herself (maybe mix in some others colors other than black every other day) and that would have helped with the bullying and then show a little respect at home like her brothers did and all of this would have been avoided.
I dont think her brothers had a problem with the school system or home arrangements and put a lid on the drama. If they did they were smart enough not to get their asses sent away.Guest
 

 i think those are the only two people who wuld have the dexterity to go and say that. If you want to insult me do it somewhere in your own mind please i dont want to hear the bullshit on here thankyou very much. :blabla:  :lala:  :feedtrolls:  :fuckoff:

Doesn't this sound like Dianne? I recognize the attitude from her blog when talking about Katie. This woman is truly a vile creature, I don't understand why her father would want to even be affiliated with this trashy woman. Maybe that's just a reflection of what he feels he deserves, but Katie certainly shouldn't be forced to endure her. I wonder if reading this Her father will come to the realization that the source of the problem was his wife, and if he did, would have have the balls to do anything about it?...

Katie, great installment, I understand how this can be hard for you to write because in many ways you are reliving the past and revisiting all the painful memories, but just remember to allow yourself to put all this into prospective... to learn a valuable lesson from all of this and grow stronger from it. I hope that you are willing to channel these experiences into confidence, in that once your truly know yourself, other people will not have any power over your emotions.

So far I have kept my onslaught of sociological theories out of this thread and I intend to continue to do so, however I suggest you analyze your past, yourself and the world around you and start making up your own mind about your life. Throw away everything everyone ever told you and decide for yourself. You don't ever have to blindly accept ANYTHING as truth ever again, find your own truth and let it defend and protect you. You are entering the age of true self discovery, and taking some college classes, like psychology, sociology, philosophy and some creative writing/journalism would significantly assist this process.

I think once the pain of your lost adolescence fades you will realize how strong you really are... and I'm not sure what kind of religious (or non religious) beliefs but often is heard the phrase, "God wouldn't give you anything you couldn't handle" and I think that rings true in your case. In my opinion however "God" wasn't the one who chose these challenges for you, you did. You knew this is exactly what you had to experience in order to learn the lessons in life that lead to the enlightenment of the soul. Forgive me for assuming, but I think the greatest lesson you could learn this lifetime is how to love yourself. As much as that sounds cliche, its actually much deeper than you think... knowing yourself, believing in yourself and taking everything else with a grain of salt is truly a life changing philosophy to adopt. Once you figure out how to make yourself whole, and fill the voids of your childhood and self esteem with knowledge and pride, there is NOTHING that will stop you from success.

Keep writing hun, your really making some great progress.

[Anonymous]

Another solution could have been for Katie to lose some weight and quit cutting herself (maybe mix in some others colors other than black every other day) and that would have helped with the bullying and then show a little respect at home like her brothers did and all of this would have been avoided.
I dont think her brothers had a problem with the school system or home arrangements and put a lid on the drama. If they did they were smart enough not to get their asses sent away.Guest
 

 i think those are the only two people who wuld have the dexterity to go and say that. If you want to insult me do it somewhere in your own mind please i dont want to hear the bullshit on here thankyou very much. :blabla:  :lala:  :feedtrolls:  :fuckoff:

Doesn't this sound like Dianne? I recognize the attitude from her blog when talking about Katie. This woman is truly a vile creature, I don't understand why her father would want to even be affiliated with this trashy woman. Maybe that's just a reflection of what he feels he deserves, but Katie certainly shouldn't be forced to endure her. I wonder if reading this Her father will come to the realization that the source of the problem was his wife, and if he did, would have have the balls to do anything about it?...

Katie, great installment, I understand how this can be hard for you to write because in many ways you are reliving the past and revisiting all the painful memories, but just remember to allow yourself to put all this into prospective... to learn a valuable lesson from all of this and grow stronger from it. I hope that you are willing to channel these experiences into confidence, in that once your truly know yourself, other people will not have any power over your emotions.

So far I have kept my onslaught of sociological theories out of this thread and I intend to continue to do so, however I suggest you analyze your past, yourself and the world around you and start making up your own mind about your life. Throw away everything everyone ever told you and decide for yourself. You don't ever have to blindly accept ANYTHING as truth ever again, find your own truth and let it defend and protect you. You are entering the age of true self discovery, and taking some college classes, like psychology, sociology, philosophy and some creative writing/journalism would significantly assist this process.

I think once the pain of your lost adolescence fades you will realize how strong you really are... and I'm not sure what kind of religious (or non religious) beliefs but often is heard the phrase, "God wouldn't give you anything you couldn't handle" and I think that rings true in your case. In my opinion however "God" wasn't the one who chose these challenges for you, you did. You knew this is exactly what you had to experience in order to learn the lessons in life that lead to the enlightenment of the soul. Forgive me for assuming, but I think the greatest lesson you could learn this lifetime is how to love yourself. As much as that sounds cliche, its actually much deeper than you think... knowing yourself, believing in yourself and taking everything else with a grain of salt is truly a life changing philosophy to adopt. Once you figure out how to make yourself whole, and fill the voids of your childhood and self esteem with knowledge and pride, there is NOTHING that will stop you from success.

Keep writing hun, your really making some great progress.

I hioe some people are making freinds with Katie off-line. Her family, her dad too, are abuseive worthless people

[Anonymous]

, "God wouldn't give you anything you couldn't handle" and I think that rings true in your case. In my opinion however "God" wasn't the one who chose these challenges for you, you did. You knew this is exactly what you had to experience in order to learn the lessons in life that lead to the enlightenment of the soul. Forgive me for assuming, but I think the greatest lesson you could learn this lifetime is how to love yourself. As much as that sounds cliche, its actually much deeper than you think... knowing yourself, believing in yourself and taking everything else with a grain of salt is truly a life changing philosophy to adopt. Once you figure out how to make yourself whole, and fill the voids of your childhood and self esteem with knowledge and pride, there is NOTHING that will stop you from success.

Keep writing hun, your really making some great progress.

SORRY, THATS THE MOST IDIOTIC THING EVER SAID

[TheWho]

I hioe some people are making freinds with Katie off-line. Her family, her dad too, are abuseive worthless people

Yeah, guess it depends on who you talk to, people are making friends with the dad too.  Seems Katie is back to sitting around all day and starting right back up on abusing her brother and stepmom again.  Time for her own apartment it would seem, if it were my house.

Why is she still there?

[Anonymous]

I hioe some people are making freinds with Katie off-line. Her family, her dad too, are abuseive worthless people

Yeah, guess it depends on who you talk to, people are making friends with the dad too.  Seems Katie is back to sitting around all day and starting right back up on abusing her brother and stepmom again.  Time for her own apartment it would seem, if it were my house.

Why is she still there?

Are mass murderers of innocents capable of "making friends"? Well, Charles Deidrich managed it, i guess. Still, I doubt you are capable of genuine relationships.

OK. WWASPite, you want to help these parents?

Why not allow them back at your "parents support meetings"?

You know, the ones you kicked them out of once they ran out of money?

What's the explanation for that?

You've drained their money, so WWASP has initiated the “spit ‘em out” segment of their predatation cycle ?

Or, is it that WWASP Cross Creek doesn't want what happens to the kids who have been through WWASPS--mental destruction, loss of personal effaceiency,etc.-- made evident to the loathsome  wallets pumping money into your cult?

My guess:both.