What brand of cigarette do you smoke?

[psy]

Still waiting to see how it's your business how and what somebody else puts in their own body.

[Froderik]

its just a habit of lifestyle, most grow out of it and those that don't pay the ultimate price. In the big scheme of things, the world just has its way of weeding itself out, people die, even young and because of stupid life decisions but that's just the way population circulates itself. If we all made healthy safe decisions for our lives there would just be too many damn people, too many old people on social security and medi-cal so you healthy tax payers can just thank your lucky stars people are dying off instead of needing your tax dollars for 30 more years.

Wow, that is one of the most morbid, callous things I've ever read... and this is fornits! So you think it's a good thing that millions of people die needless deaths from one of the most addictive and deadly substances avaialble, because there would be too many old people on social security and medical? This argument is.. well.. it.. how else can I put it other than it makes *no sense whatsoever*.

How about if one of your family members dies from lung cancer, you can put "it's just a habit of lifestyle, the world was just recirculating the population" on their tombstone?

BTW-most don't grow out of it, because it's very addictive and difficult to quit. Your earlier argument was so ridiculous I didn't respond, but how about pointing out the obvious fact tobacco related health illness is the biggest expense on the taxpayer health system? That kind of cancels that argument of yours, which was basically imcomprehensible, it just seems like you want to take the opposite stance (even though it's wrong) for the sake of it. Well, that's your right.. but please try to make arguments that make some sense.

I agree, that was harsh!

[FemanonFatal2.0]

its just a habit of lifestyle, most grow out of it and those that don't pay the ultimate price. In the big scheme of things, the world just has its way of weeding itself out, people die, even young and because of stupid life decisions but that's just the way population circulates itself. If we all made healthy safe decisions for our lives there would just be too many damn people, too many old people on social security and medi-cal so you healthy tax payers can just thank your lucky stars people are dying off instead of needing your tax dollars for 30 more years.

Wow, that is one of the most morbid, callous things I've ever read... and this is fornits! So you think it's a good thing that millions of people die needless deaths from one of the most addictive and deadly substances avaialble, because there would be too many old people on social security and medical? This argument is.. well.. it.. how else can I put it other than it makes *no sense whatsoever*.

How about if one of your family members dies from lung cancer, you can put "it's just a habit of lifestyle, the world was just recirculating the population" on their tombstone?

BTW-most don't grow out of it, because it's very addictive and difficult to quit. Your earlier argument was so ridiculous I didn't respond, but how about pointing out the obvious fact tobacco related health illness is the biggest expense on the taxpayer health system? That kind of cancels that argument of yours, which was basically imcomprehensible, it just seems like you want to take the opposite stance (even though it's wrong) for the sake of it. Well, that's your right.. but please try to make arguments that make some sense.

.... still waiting for someone to explain why it's a good idea to pay someone for lethal addictive poison you take with regularity to your own detriment....  ::puke::

You fail to realize I don't have a stance on this subject... However I do have a stance on freedom of choice. If people choose to smoke into their later years of life they are pretty much signing a death wish, but that's their choice. I don't smoke and its partially because I agree with what you said but I just have no mind to tell people to stop doing something they choose to do. I can say, don't smoke in my house, in front of me or children but I cannot tell someone to not do something as long as it isnt hurting anyone but themselves.

Now Taxes, thats a completely different story, but considering that our taxes also pay for our politician's hookers, I'm a bit more willing to pay for health care regardless of what the treatment is.

[Anonymous]

Still waiting to see how it's your business how and what somebody else puts in their own body.

I am asking one of you smokers to explain why you smoke. What makes it so great, you are willing to die for it?


I think you are addicted to it, and will make non-logical statements based in denial. Still waiting...

[FemanonFatal2.0]

its just a habit of lifestyle, most grow out of it and those that don't pay the ultimate price. In the big scheme of things, the world just has its way of weeding itself out, people die, even young and because of stupid life decisions but that's just the way population circulates itself. If we all made healthy safe decisions for our lives there would just be too many damn people, too many old people on social security and medi-cal so you healthy tax payers can just thank your lucky stars people are dying off instead of needing your tax dollars for 30 more years.

Wow, that is one of the most morbid, callous things I've ever read... and this is fornits! So you think it's a good thing that millions of people die needless deaths from one of the most addictive and deadly substances avaialble, because there would be too many old people on social security and medical? This argument is.. well.. it.. how else can I put it other than it makes *no sense whatsoever*.

How about if one of your family members dies from lung cancer, you can put "it's just a habit of lifestyle, the world was just recirculating the population" on their tombstone?

BTW-most don't grow out of it, because it's very addictive and difficult to quit. Your earlier argument was so ridiculous I didn't respond, but how about pointing out the obvious fact tobacco related health illness is the biggest expense on the taxpayer health system? That kind of cancels that argument of yours, which was basically imcomprehensible, it just seems like you want to take the opposite stance (even though it's wrong) for the sake of it. Well, that's your right.. but please try to make arguments that make some sense.

I agree, that was harsh!

Oh boo hoo. the universe is a cold hearted bitch. People die, and life goes on that is reality. Why is stating the apparent facts harsh? Do you have a hard time accepting that people die? did that hit a nerve? I wouldn't try to offend you on purpose I just have a "big picture" way of looking at things, particularly society, the world and existence. I'm not entirely a fan of deluding reality either... it just is what it is.

There are some things we can change, but the constant in life is that people will always find a way to fuck shit up.

[psy]

I think you are addicted to it, and will make non-logical statements based in denial. Still waiting...

And that's why I don't bother answering.  Because If I deny it, it's evidence of a problem...  a bit like dunking a witch.  If the witch denies it, it's evidence she's a witch.  No matter what I say, you'll always think me a "witch".

He's an ADDICT.  BURN HIM (or forceably "treat" him by stripping her of every single shread of individuality...  I can't figure out which is worse.  Personally, i'd rather burn than go through that again).

No matter what I say... no matter what reasons I give you, it's evidence of "denial".  There is no point making a defense if the verdict has already been arrived at (sort of like the forced confessions in the gulags).

Moral busybody assholes like yourself just want people to admit powerlessness they don't have so you can control them and make yourself feel good... some semblance of purpose in your otherwise meaningless existence (and chances are, you do't even realize it).  Life is about risks.  I take a risk by smoking.  If you try to interfere with my right to do that, you should be thankful if I don't interfere with your right to breathe.

"It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent
moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his
cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our
own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."---C. S. Lewis

[Anonymous]

So you are willing to sacrifice your short term health, and your life in the long term, all because you are unwilling to admit you are addicted to tobacco?

Do you really believe you are NOT addicted to cigarettes? You smoke them everyday, why, because you love the taste?

Nobody wants to forcibly treat you (not possible) or burn you at the stake like a witch. I just find it amazing that seemingly intelligent people are willing to pay good money to a corporation that is killing them, making them unhealthy, and selling them an (very much proven) addictive product.

If you said, yes I know tobacco is addictive and I smoke mainly to stave off the effects of withdrawal, I might believe that. But you haven't even given a reason. "It makes me feel good" is a dumb reason (since it kills you), but at least it's a reason. What's yours?

[Anonymous]

Personally, i'd rather burn than go through that again.

OH come on! You would rather be burned alive than go to Benchmark? Puh-fucking-lease, get real.

Besides, didn't you make 75k off of them? That ain't bad... not bad at all.

[psy]

Personally, i'd rather burn than go through that again.

OH come on! You would rather be burned alive than go to Benchmark? Puh-fucking-lease, get real.

It wouldn't work the second time, so no, it wouldn't be the same thing.  What I meant to imply is that i'd rather burn alive than be subjected to successful thought reform (brainwashing) again.

Besides, didn't you make 75k off of them? That ain't bad... not bad at all.

75k?  Where did you get *that* number? (gee.. i wonder) (the real number is a *lot* higher than that)

Have you read the judge's ruling?

And just FYI, most of the money goes to the attorneys who took the case primarly on a contingent fee basis because they were so offended at Benchmark's bullshit "case".

[Anonymous]

So how much money are you getting personally?

[psy]

Do you really believe you are NOT addicted to cigarettes?

It depends on what you mean by addiction.  If you mean physical withdraws... yes.  If you mean that those physical withdraws are so bad that I couldn't quit if I truly wanted to (i don't), then, no.  Believe it or not, for me the benefits outweigh the risks.  Perhaps I should be more concerned about my health, but it's just not my thing.  Fuck the health nuts and live life to the fullest is what I say.  You gotta die of something... reflect on that.

Nicotine does have positive effects (mild, but positive... like coffee).  You should try it sometime.

Nicotine's positive effects:
- stimulant: increases reaction time, increases ability to think quickly and effectively (especially if you have ADHD).  You should research nicotine and see what positive effects it has.  Smoking it is harmful, yes, but there are other ways to consume nicotine (vaporized, inhalers, gum, transdermal, etc...).  You have any problem with people using legal drugs to increase their performance?  You have a logical reason to that or just a moral busybody reason?  You drink coffee?  Is that a legal drug that enhances performance?  You call the coffee companies the same names because their product causes physical dependence as well?
- social: if you even go to a "smoke pit" (area for smoking in public place or workplace) you meet some of the most interesting people and have the most interesting conversations.  You could argue that such social experiences could be had otherwise, but if you work at a workplace, you're not a smoker, and you ask to go out for a smoke break, your boss just might say no.  If your boss is a smoker he understands.  This also give opportunities to chit-chat and network.
- deterrent: keeps assholes like you away (perhaps this is the best reason of them all).  Goodness knows, if you were here i'd be blowing smoke in your face right about now just on principle.

These are just some reasons I smoke.  IF you don't like it...  well i'll just have to continue to offend you.

[psy]

So how much money are you getting personally?

It's discussed in this thread and in the ruling itself:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27016

The search function works, you know.

[Anonymous]

OK so you won 187k, but where in the thread does it say how much of that you get to take home at the end of the day? Someone suggested the lawyers get 30%, so you get about 120k personally? Is that right?

[FemanonFatal2.0]

Do you really believe you are NOT addicted to cigarettes?

It depends on what you mean by addiction.  If you mean physical withdraws... yes.  If you mean that those physical withdraws are so bad that I couldn't quit if I truly wanted to (i don't), then, no.  Believe it or not, for me the benefits outweigh the risks.  Perhaps I should be more concerned about my health, but it's just not my thing.  Fuck the health nuts and live life to the fullest is what I say.  You gotta die of something... reflect on that.

Nicotine does have positive effects (mild, but positive... like coffee).  You should try it sometime.

Nicotine's positive effects:
- stimulant: increases reaction time, increases ability to think quickly and effectively (especially if you have ADHD).  You should research nicotine and see what positive effects it has.  Smoking it is harmful, yes, but there are other ways to consume nicotine (vaporized, inhalers, gum, transdermal, etc...).  You have any problem with people using legal drugs to increase their performance?  You have a logical reason to that or just a moral busybody reason?  You drink coffee?  Is that a legal drug that enhances performance?  You call the coffee companies the same names because their product causes physical dependence as well?
- social: if you even go to a "smoke pit" (area for smoking in public place or workplace) you meet some of the most interesting people and have the most interesting conversations.  You could argue that such social experiences could be had otherwise, but if you work at a workplace, you're not a smoker, and you ask to go out for a smoke break, your boss just might say no.  If your boss is a smoker he understands.  This also give opportunities to chit-chat and network.
- deterrent: keeps assholes like you away (perhaps this is the best reason of them all).  Goodness knows, if you were here i'd be blowing smoke in your face right about now just on principle.

These are just some reasons I smoke.  IF you don't like it...  well i'll just have to continue to offend you.

and he lives in France, not sure who doesn't smoke in that country.

I also agree that the act of going on a smoke break is quite enjoyable... just being out in the open, having a moment to yourself or to chat with your friends is really what I liked about smoking. I've noticed that a lot of people who are smokers are less uptight and I think that's because they are willing to give themselves a few moments in the day just to induldge in something that makes them feel good.

[psy]

OK so you won 187k, but where in the thread does it say how much of that you get to take home at the end of the day? Someone suggested the lawyers get 30%, so you get about 120k personally? Is that right?

Read the whole thread, or the whole judgment.  I don't like rewriting things.  If you're capable of reading, do it.