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TheWho is an effective and patient "troll"
« Reply #60 on: April 02, 2009, 03:08:57 PM »
Hey TheWho.. *cough* *cough*, I mean "NeilW". how's it going? looks like you still got people running in circles.

thewho: JUMP!
fornits posters: how high?

:roflmao:

Priceless


I just hope TheWho can replicate his troll when Psy was 100% convinced he figured out his identity, letting people bid on his identity info, and then outing some random (the wrong) guy. That had to be one of the funniest fornits moments evar.
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Re: blog of a program parent
« Reply #61 on: April 02, 2009, 03:26:55 PM »
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The majority of the kids in programs have siblings at home who are doing fine do to great parenting skills.  Program parents are parents that are engaged with their kids and want the best for them.  They are not absentee parents like many want to believe... The problem lies with the child and sometimes the family dynamics.  This is hard to swallow for you but it is the common denominator.  The process of helping these kids may not be perfect but at least they are doing something to help...

These fine program-parenting skills didn't seem to help so much in your case, did they? What is it now... one down, one to go?
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« Reply #62 on: April 02, 2009, 03:58:28 PM »
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I drive past one of our local Gulags every day and look at all the little noses pressed against the fence.  They are in there for various reasons, some have both parents who decided to pursue money rather than parenting, others come from a single parent back ground.  Each one has a unique story.  What they have in common is the wish that the fence could come down so that they could run free.

lol. So, who, there is no difference between a middle school and abu garib?

International human rights lawyers and sane people beg to differ.

Heres some questions for ya, who:


If a middle school student tried to leave campus, would she be physically prevented from doing so by staff?

If a detainee at Abu Garib or chinese thought refrom prison tried to leave he would be physically prevented by staff?

At Abu Garib or at a chinese thought refrom prison are detainees left unchained, unlocked, or  physcially prevented by gurads from unwanted movement?

At a middle school there is EVER time when a student is chained, locked, or under guard charged with physically preventing the student from unwanted movement?

When you answer those questions you will have written some differences between Abu Gharib and a chinese thought refrom prison and a middle school.

Since you cant tell the difference, I can see how it is hard for you to object to the torture of human beings under 21. You are a very confused fella.
Neil=WHO.
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« Reply #63 on: April 02, 2009, 04:00:18 PM »
AGAIN, how many of us contacted this parent. This who person is worthless. Contacting the parent makes more sense. They need to be introduced to the reality of what they did to their kid
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« Reply #64 on: April 02, 2009, 04:03:02 PM »
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Look, NeilW, we seem to disagree on various aspects of this and I respect you right to disagree.  But this doesn’t make you right.  In fact you are far from it.  Kids don't need to be kept away from their families for years on end.  Programs don’t make kids safe.  If you get out and vote then you can raise the age of majority to age 50 in order to maintain control of your child's life if you like.  You probably have a couple of kids in a program yourself and it's dawning on you that you made a serious mistade so you are unable to see the larger picture or the dangers and I am sorry you can't stand the thought of your children growing into adults with thoughts and ideas of their own.  The majority of the kids in programs are there with no real diagnosis or due process.  Program parents are parents that are enraged with their kids.  They are absentee parents who are outsourcing their parenting jobs to strangers.  Their kids are the ones who are going to pay the ultimate price.  The problem lies with the parents and the family dynamics.  This is hard to swallow for you but it is the common denominator.  The process of mindraping these kids may not be perfect but at least they are doing something.  You don’t seem to be contributing much by just shilling for programs.
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« Reply #65 on: April 02, 2009, 05:07:10 PM »
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Look, NeilW, we seem to disagree on various aspects of this and I respect you right to disagree.  But this doesn’t make you right.  In fact you are far from it.  Kids don't need to be kept away from their families for years on end.  Programs don’t make kids safe.  If you get out and vote then you can raise the age of majority to age 50 in order to maintain control of your child's life if you like.  You probably have a couple of kids in a program yourself and it's dawning on you that you made a serious mistade so you are unable to see the larger picture or the dangers and I am sorry you can't stand the thought of your children growing into adults with thoughts and ideas of their own.  The majority of the kids in programs are there with no real diagnosis or due process.  Program parents are parents that are enraged with their kids.  They are absentee parents who are outsourcing their parenting jobs to strangers.  Their kids are the ones who are going to pay the ultimate price.  The problem lies with the parents and the family dynamics.  This is hard to swallow for you but it is the common denominator.  The process of mindraping these kids may not be perfect but at least they are doing something.  You don’t seem to be contributing much by just shilling for programs.

Ping!!  Sorry I upset you so much, STFU, I take it you understood my point.  Your imitation is very flattering.
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« Reply #66 on: April 02, 2009, 05:08:35 PM »
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Mmm hmm....those are small children who could easily wander away and get lost, not intending to do so.
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Exactly, the fence is meant to keep them in and keep them safe.

Again...there is a difference between keeping a child from running into the street and keeping a teenager locked in a facility for years at a time.  It's truly sad that you can't acknowledge the difference.  I think even most other pro-program parents would, but then again....you're not really hear to "discuss" anything are you?.


Even the most abusive deluded staff, and guardians who finance their wards’ captivity comprehend the difference between gulag-“schools” or Abu Gharib and middle schools. Not Who.

I think that goes to his needing to justify, on an emotional level, his role in abduction and false imprisonment.

He handles his role in evil with an amazing level of cognitive dissonance akin to a Auschwitz guard's understanding that he wasn't really “murdering” people, he was just cleansing the world of Jews.

A lot of people suggest thewho is lon woodbury, which I don’t doubt. Same idiotic writing style and cultic and zealous irrationality.


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So, you're advocating re-education camps? Do you not see a difference between a fence keeping a 3 year old from running into the street because they have no concept of what a car is and what an impact with one will do, and a facility for teens in the middle of nowhere, with zero communication between parent and child and no due process? Really? Wow, what color is the sky in your world?

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There isn’t a difference.

You're a sick fuck.


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Re: blog of a program parent
« Reply #67 on: April 02, 2009, 06:00:31 PM »
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I think that goes to his needing to justify, on an emotional level, his role in abduction and false imprisonment.

Truer words were never spoken.  

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He handles his role in evil with an amazing level of cognitive dissonance akin to a Auschwitz guard's understanding that he wasn't really “murdering” people, he was just cleansing the world of Jews.

I see your point, but in a way program parents are even more insidious.  The nazis believed they were helping one group by destroying another.  These freaks think they're helping the very group they're destroying.  But yeah, I get your point.  They're so dangerous because they actually believe their own bullshit.  To even entertain the flip side is too much for them to handle.  In a way I can understand that.  If I had done to my kids what was done to me and thousands of others I'd have a hard time living wiht myself too.

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A lot of people suggest thewho is lon woodbury, which I don’t doubt. Same idiotic writing style and cultic and zealous irrationality.

I have no idea if this guy is the same as who or not.  don't care.  they're all pretty interchangeable.   I still find it worthwhile to dispute what they say sometimes.  Even if it doesn't do anything for anyone else, it helps me understand how they think and how what happened to me happened.  


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Re: blog of a program parent
« Reply #68 on: April 02, 2009, 08:26:05 PM »
""Thursday, May 08, 2008
Another heavy sigh
We had our call with Katie and B again tonight, and unfortunately it wasn't a good or happy one. She is once again not working, and once again falling into the same old patterns. It gets very frustrating dealing with the same thing over and over again.

The irony is that it isn't big things, but her responses to them. She now claims to be writing a novel - which is an excuse to not be working. She tried to manipulate several people today in order to check out a book from the library, after she had already gone for the day. Dumb, stupid little things. And then denying she did them.

*sigh*"""



These parents are simply abusive monsters. Their response to their daughter writing a novel is not encouragement but annoyance at her 'not working'? Their response to their daughter supposedly lying in such an absurd way is not concern for her mental state, but *sigh* poor us contemptful displeasure?

These people are disgusting. I hope Katie finds fornits before her monster parents destroy her completely.   I'm sure some poster here would even lend her a room to get her out of that destructive environment. Her parents don't deserve children. Monsters
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« Reply #69 on: April 02, 2009, 09:48:57 PM »
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These parents are simply abusive monsters. Their response to their daughter writing a novel is not encouragement but annoyance at her 'not working'? Their response to their daughter supposedly lying in such an absurd way is not concern for her mental state, but *sigh* poor us contemptful displeasure?

These people are disgusting. I hope Katie finds fornits before her monster parents destroy her completely.   I'm sure some poster here would even lend her a room to get her out of that destructive environment. Her parents don't deserve children. Monsters

Its clear you do not understand what is going on.  You dont know Katie but her parents do.  If you had ever parented a child you would know that consistency, rules and structure are all very important.  Katie is going to be in the program for some time, another day without the book isn’t a big deal.  She left for the day and is trying to manipulate people and test the rules to see what she can get away with and she is going to find out that she cant do that there or in the real world when she gets older.  It is a good lesson for her.  

Reading peoples responses to this blog helps to clear up why many here view programs and program parents so harshly.  Interesting how you view the parents and programs as evil and view Katie as the victim when she is the one trying to pull the strings and being dishonest.
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« Reply #70 on: April 02, 2009, 09:58:43 PM »
It's pretty obvious when people are being sarcastic and masquerading as something they're not, guest. People tend to hate in others what they see in themselves. hmm...
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« Reply #71 on: April 02, 2009, 10:17:37 PM »
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These parents are simply abusive monsters. Their response to their daughter writing a novel is not encouragement but annoyance at her 'not working'? Their response to their daughter supposedly lying in such an absurd way is not concern for her mental state, but *sigh* poor us contemptful displeasure?

These people are disgusting. I hope Katie finds fornits before her monster parents destroy her completely.   I'm sure some poster here would even lend her a room to get her out of that destructive environment. Her parents don't deserve children. Monsters

  Interesting how you view the parents and programs as evil and view Katie as the victim when she is the one trying to pull the strings and being dishonest.

Yes, these parents are evil.


They funded Kaitie's imprisonment and torture in a wwasp or aspen gulag for 3 YEARS, solely because they are abusive monsters[nothing makes locking a kid in WWASP or ASPEN alright but at some circumstances semi-excuse a parent's confusion, ignorance and cruelty: parents are mentally ill, not computer literate, kid is a genuine heroin addict..and not driven to that state through abuse by parents), they are obviously computer literate, the info about wwasp and ASPEN is available to them, and knowing what they did to their child they are still abusing her, still punishing and finding fault over petty concerns instead of loving and accepting and helping her.

Yes. They ARE evil. yes Katie IS a victim. Just like your kid, who.

Will someone subpoena their IP and contact Katie somehow? Their blog is proof of abuse and various crimes. God, if only activists had $.

btw, is "discovery" a wwasp lgat or aspen? I don’t know.
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« Reply #72 on: April 02, 2009, 10:30:09 PM »
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These parents are simply abusive monsters. Their response to their daughter writing a novel is not encouragement but annoyance at her 'not working'? Their response to their daughter supposedly lying in such an absurd way is not concern for her mental state, but *sigh* poor us contemptful displeasure?

These people are disgusting. I hope Katie finds fornits before her monster parents destroy her completely.   I'm sure some poster here would even lend her a room to get her out of that destructive environment. Her parents don't deserve children. Monsters

  Interesting how you view the parents and programs as evil and view Katie as the victim when she is the one trying to pull the strings and being dishonest.

Yes, these parents are evil.


They funded Kaitie's imprisonment and torture in a wwasp or aspen gulag for 3 YEARS, solely because they are abusive monsters[nothing makes locking a kid in WWASP or ASPEN alright but at some circumstances semi-excuse a parent's confusion, ignorance and cruelty: parents are mentally ill, not computer literate, kid is a genuine heroin addict..and not driven to that state through abuse by parents), they are obviously computer literate, the info about wwasp and ASPEN is available to them, and knowing what they did to their child they are still abusing her, still punishing and finding fault over petty concerns instead of loving and accepting and helping her.

Yes. They ARE evil. yes Katie IS a victim. Just like your kid, who.

Will someone subpoena their IP and contact Katie somehow? Their blog is proof of abuse and various crimes. God, if only activists had $.

btw, is "discovery" a wwasp lgat or aspen? I don’t know.

So if Katie was a heroin addict then her parents would be sane and not evil abusive monsters.  Its amazing how the actions of the child can make or break the parents. LOL
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« Reply #73 on: April 02, 2009, 10:35:26 PM »
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These parents are simply abusive monsters. Their response to their daughter writing a novel is not encouragement but annoyance at her 'not working'? Their response to their daughter supposedly lying in such an absurd way is not concern for her mental state, but *sigh* poor us contemptful displeasure?

These people are disgusting. I hope Katie finds fornits before her monster parents destroy her completely.   I'm sure some poster here would even lend her a room to get her out of that destructive environment. Her parents don't deserve children. Monsters

Its clear you do not understand what is going on.  You dont know Katie but her parents do.  If you had ever parented a child you would know that consistency, rules and structure are all very important.  Katie is going to be in the program for some time, another day without the book isn’t a big deal.  She left for the day and is trying to manipulate people and test the rules to see what she can get away with and she is going to find out that she cant do that there or in the real world when she gets older.  It is a good lesson for her.  

Reading peoples responses to this blog helps to clear up why many here view programs and program parents so harshly.  Interesting how you view the parents and programs as evil and view Katie as the victim when she is the one trying to pull the strings and being dishonest.

Not to be rude, but I think you are both wrong.... in most ways seeing this from two extreme angles.

I honestly don't think that what was translated in that call is the truth, what it sounds like to be is the program lingo, and the way that normal things in the program are manipulated (almost for the sake of creating drama) into being some form of disobedience or manipulation. Think of it this way, if this Katie girl were in class in a high school and she was writing a novel on her own time (and yes even if it was to avoid dealing with her home life) and trying to check out an extra, (or possibly different) book at the library, this kind of action would be praised at home. However the program, and mainly the case manager needs something to "bring up" and use some excuse to call this girl out on her behavior, even if its nothing even close to real disobedience.

However I don't think these parents are evil or monsters, however I am shocked that these things aren't red flags and that they are willing to put unquestioning faith into this program when their methods are so obviously unorthodox. Do they really see their teen as such a deviant?... whatever happened to the maternal instinct? shouldn't these parents reserve a question in their minds about how this is all playing out, if not to protect their child at least to keep a close eye on their investment? It seems to me the program is just feeding them this warped perception of their daughter, and since its drama that feeds into their fears they just buy it without any consideration. I just don't understand how two grown adults can be so easily convinced, especially when using common sense these things are unrealistic. I'll say it again, it just doesn't make sense.

To be honest this situation is all to familiar. Although I never got to speak with my mother on the phone, in the program it was my case manager who made it the hardest for me. She was trained to report on the way the program made things look and not the way they actually were. This woman spent all of an hour with us a day (as a group) yet she for some reason had the authority to talk to my mom every week and tell her how I was such a disobedient kid because I was still getting consequences. What that woman didn't even care to find out was that I have medical problems that caused me to unintentionally break those "rules" (that were actually not rules at all, just the way they controlled us). I can remember feeling so frustrated, (in fact thinking about it now I feel a knot in my throat), because no matter what I did or how hard I tried the program always found ways to make it impossible for me, and make me out to be some deviant that I never was. I don't know if that is entirely the case here, but knowing the way the system works at these places I would put my money on the fact that the case manager is over-dramatizing the situation in order to make it seem like shes doing her job. I think its more evidence of that fact that Katie felt strongly enough to dispute the matter, because if she was in the wrong she wouldn't risk punishment to "manipulate". She's probably crying out to her parents for help, but they are too blinded (successfully manipulated) by the case manager (and maybe the seminars?) to truly see how their daughter's life at the program really is.
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« Reply #74 on: April 02, 2009, 10:47:12 PM »
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These parents are simply abusive monsters. Their response to their daughter writing a novel is not encouragement but annoyance at her 'not working'? Their response to their daughter supposedly lying in such an absurd way is not concern for her mental state, but *sigh* poor us contemptful displeasure?

These people are disgusting. I hope Katie finds fornits before her monster parents destroy her completely.   I'm sure some poster here would even lend her a room to get her out of that destructive environment. Her parents don't deserve children. Monsters

  Interesting how you view the parents and programs as evil and view Katie as the victim when she is the one trying to pull the strings and being dishonest.

Yes, these parents are evil.


They funded Kaitie's imprisonment and torture in a wwasp or aspen gulag for 3 YEARS, solely because they are abusive monsters[nothing makes locking a kid in WWASP or ASPEN alright but at some circumstances semi-excuse a parent's confusion, ignorance and cruelty: parents are mentally ill, not computer literate, kid is a genuine heroin addict..and not driven to that state through abuse by parents), they are obviously computer literate, the info about wwasp and ASPEN is available to them, and knowing what they did to their child they are still abusing her, still punishing and finding fault over petty concerns instead of loving and accepting and helping her.

Yes. They ARE evil. yes Katie IS a victim. Just like your kid, who.

Will someone subpoena their IP and contact Katie somehow? Their blog is proof of abuse and various crimes. God, if only activists had $.

btw, is "discovery" a wwasp lgat or aspen? I don’t know.

So if Katie was a heroin addict then her parents would be sane and not evil abusive monsters.  Its amazing how the actions of the child can make or break the parents. LOL

Nice work around but no, If Katie were a genuine heroin addict, a WWASP school would really be that last place that an addict would find proper care therefore the parents would then be liable for charges of maltreatment. You fail to realize that these programs are not for ANY teens no matter what problem they may have. The methods are not medically sound, they cause physical and psychological trauma and the staff who work there are unqualified, therefore the only standing authority is the program, which as we can tell from the blogs is completely warped. and not sure if your aware of this, but what they do at these programs is NOT treatment.

HOWEVER we have already established that Katie is not on drugs, and in that sense, yes the child's lack of bad behavior makes these parents decision all the more heinous.


BTW yes Discovery is a WWASP LGAT seminar. I just want to ask how far into this blog are you guest, and im confused as to if this family has already passed through the program or if they are in the process.
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