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Re: why isnt vause arrested?
« Reply #75 on: April 27, 2009, 06:20:45 PM »
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The two principle posters trying to cover up the issue here are a pedophile associated with a program in the US, and a former AARC peer counselor whom I strongly believe is a rapist.  It's frankly quite unpleasant.  

What are the names of these people?

I'm sure you've already thought of this, but something to look into is filing a civil rights abuse suit against the police disctrict in which the AARC is situated. The police shouldn't be able to chose to just look the other way.
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Re: why isnt vause arrested?
« Reply #76 on: April 27, 2009, 06:22:09 PM »
So no comment on the fact that it's not legal for AARC to hold people against their will without a court order, and even with a court order can only hold them for 5 days under PCHAD.  Can't even take a stab at spinning the AARC practise of holding people incommunicado for months on end?  Nothing?
Love that criminal attitude, "no big deal".
So what if malpractise takes place every day, all day in AARC?  So what if unlawful confinement is used?  So what if the methods used in AARC constitute a threat to public health?  So what if the Wiz lies about his professional qualifications up until it becomes public, at which point he claims he doesn't need any qualifications?
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Re: why isnt vause arrested?
« Reply #77 on: April 27, 2009, 06:23:52 PM »
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No response from any AARColyte nor the American pedophile specifically addressing the fact that the Wiz and his staff perform, on a dialy basis, a Restricted Activity which none of the are legally permitted to do.  They are not permitted to perform this restricted activity because they have neither the prerequisite training nor formal education.
It's an immutable fact.
It's against the law for AARC to hold people without court orders, a common occurrence at AARC.
Immutable fact.
Although the name is confusing, what with the AARC being the title of the charity organization and not the actual centre, neither the organization nor the centre "move along".  One is an abstract concept, and the other a fixed structure.
Feel free to take a stab though at explaining how AARC staff are legally entitled to perform Restricted Activities without any licensing, and how they are entitled to hold people for months without court orders, and how they are entitled to prevent clients from contacting a lawyer while on phase 1.
Rather than using the entirely false corollary that AARC operates legally because it hasn't  been shut down, why not look at the above, which are facts and not opinions, and offer some type of comment.
Trust me, I don't enjoy this.  The two principle posters trying to cover up the issue here are a pedophile associated with a program in the US, and a former AARC peer counselor whom I strongly believe is a rapist.  It's frankly quite unpleasant.  But for now, until a medical malpractise suit is underway against the Wiz and the AARC staff, I intend to keep reminding readers of the blatantly illegal practises used at AARC.

We all should continue to do what each of us feels is right, Ajax.  I think you should continue to express your opinions.  But the fact remains that AARC has been exposed to media scrutiny, 5th estate etc. and no wrong doing has been found.  You have your opinions and the law has their interpretation.

I am just siding with the law and professional investigators accounts and feedback.  AARC is helping kids right and left and I understand that this bothers you, but you need to accept this fact.  Your constant picking and exposure if nothing else is going to help keep this place on track.  The more attention and light we can shine on AARC the better for them and for the kids who are attending this place.  They will get nothing but better!!

Lets everyone keep plugging away, keep this thread at the top and the information flowing.
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Re: why isnt vause arrested?
« Reply #78 on: April 27, 2009, 06:31:41 PM »
What information have you passed on?  You made a false statement that no wrongdoing has been found, when that is exactly what has been found, and then claim to side with the law and professional investigators?  What professional investigators?  What law are you siding with?
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Re: why isnt vause arrested?
« Reply #79 on: April 27, 2009, 06:40:49 PM »
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The two principle posters trying to cover up the issue here are a pedophile associated with a program in the US, and a former AARC peer counselor whom I strongly believe is a rapist.  It's frankly quite unpleasant.  

What are the names of these people?

I'm sure you've already thought of this, but something to look into is filing a civil rights abuse suit against the police disctrict in which the AARC is situated. The police shouldn't be able to chose to just look the other way.

If you have read here long enough, Ajaxs' strength is misinformation and throwing stones from the shadows.  He would never use someones name in context with something where he would have to defend his words in court.  He works better behind the veil (Burka) and internet.

Unlike Ajax,AARC is open to interviews and media coverage.  You can find them online, visit their place if you choose and contact the local authorities to inquire about thier program.  Ajax would not hold up too well under this same exposure.
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Re: why isnt vause arrested?
« Reply #80 on: April 27, 2009, 06:50:36 PM »
Not a single factual response?  Unlawful confinement?  Performing Restricted Activities without a license? Habeus Corpus?  Whatever happened to AARC suing me, and the the Fifth Estate, and the people who appeared on Fifth Estate?  What happened to the claim that I was being investigated for slander?  How about that internet threat investigation?  Still nothing?  
Throwing stones, hand grenades, confetti?  Do you have anymore vague metaphors that don't apply and allow you to indulge your need to say something when you have nothing to say?
Why not ask the Wiz why he told you that everyone was being sued, when in fact they're not?
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Re: why isnt vause arrested?
« Reply #81 on: April 27, 2009, 07:01:07 PM »
AARC is currently going through the same process KIDS went through before it was finally shut down. Despite the fact that AARC, like KIDS, is blatantly breaking the law in numerous ways, these things take time. Personally, I don't believe that it will take as long to shut down AARC as it did with KIDS because Vause is apparently having some trouble keeping his lies strait. It's only a matter of time before his influential friends decide to save themselves and their careers and back out. From what I've heard, some of them are already getting quite irritated by his assertion that they're in bed together.

It's almost eerie how history repeats itself...

Over the years TV shows and investigators looked in to the program. Some were permitted to enter the building, ask questions, and film. Nobody was permitted to speak with the reporters except the graduates. Eventually, the states began investigating reports of abuse and false imprisonment in California, Utah, and Texas. Kids of El Paso and Kids of Southern California shut their doors in 1989 due bankruptcy. The legal battles to fight claims of physical abuse, false imprisonment, and mind control proved to be too much. Kids started coming to NJ from all over. A few months after that Salt Lake closed it's doors. In spite of all the investigations and inquiries the New Jersey program stayed open. About a year after an airing of "West 57th St." Bergen County Prosecutors went in and pulled people out who were over 18 and asked them if they wanted to leave. Some did, some did not. The prosecutors repeated this action a few months later.

Shortly after this investigation Newton shut down the building at 80 Commerce Way in Hackensack and began looking for another building. The clients were sent to what they called "Satellite Homes" where 7-20 or more kids and staff would meet and have group sessions at family's homes. He was also seen by a former parent to be holding open meetings in a church in River Edge, NJ. He relocated to an empty warehouse in Secaucus, New Jersey. He changed the name from Kids of Bergen County, to Kids of North Jersey. Secaucus is an industrial town with mostly minorities. He knew he could get Medicaid funding there. The State of New Jersey gave Newton a special certificate to operate from the Commissioner of Health and Human Services.

New Jersey knew that Kids was a controversial program and proceeded to have state officials check it out. They found numerous counts of insurance fraud and many major insurance companies had already stopped funding. Families desperate to keep their children in Kids were putting third mortgages on their homes. New Jersey launched a Medicaid fraud investigation in 1999, which was Newton's demise. During this time, R*b*cca Ehrl*ch was in the process of suing Newton and his team of psychologists for $4.5 million. She won that suit in 2001. Her attorney was Phil Elberg. Elberg took on Newton again in 2003 winning a 6.5 million dollar settlement for former client L*lu C*rt*r, who spent 13 years in Kids of Bergen County and Kids of North Jersey.
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Re: why isnt vause arrested?
« Reply #82 on: April 27, 2009, 07:08:45 PM »
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Not a single factual response?

I am not saying your responses are not factual.  But if you don’t name the persons name than how will we know?  You just don’t sound very credible to me.  The readers here are not stupid.  If you really had information about people being raped and another being a pedophile you wouldn’t be withholding it.  You are mudslinging from the shadows because you have no facts.

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Unlawful confinement?

None reported that the city is aware of.

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Performing Restricted Activities without a license?

No?  Can you site any links to violations?

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Habeus Corpus?

If you check with the court systems you will find no violations in this area at all.

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Whatever happened to AARC suing me, and the the Fifth Estate, and the people who appeared on Fifth Estate? What happened to the claim that I was being investigated for slander? How about that internet threat investigation? Still nothing?
Throwing stones, hand grenades, confetti? Do you have anymore vague metaphors that don't apply and allow you to indulge your need to say something when you have nothing to say?
Why not ask the Wiz why he told you that everyone was being sued, when in fact they're not?

So there are many words but no substance.  Where are the links to all these violations and threats.  AARC has a public website.  Their staff and credentials can be easily found and anyone can call downtown to review complaints and non compliances.  

You just don’t have credibility, Ajax, because you have no substance, AARC does.
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Re: why isnt vause arrested?
« Reply #83 on: April 27, 2009, 07:14:59 PM »
"Hi, court system?  Any violations of Habeus Corpus?  No?  Okay, thank you."
"None reported that the city is aware of?"  
"Hi City, it's Joshy.  Any unlawful confinement reported?  No? Great!"
"Can you site any links to violations?"

No, Joshy, the violations website is down.
How's that slander thing coming along?
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Re: why isnt vause arrested?
« Reply #84 on: April 27, 2009, 07:59:14 PM »
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No, Joshy, the violations website is down.
How's that slander thing coming along?

Call back in a few hours.  Sometimes the site goes down.... it happens.  Dont take it as a cover up, jeeses you are so paranoid, Ajax.  Fornits’ site  goes down too once in awhile it happens.  As far as the slander thing, I am not sure what you mean.

But I think you are beginning to see what I mean about AARC being out in the open and exposed to media scrutiny.  You walk on over to AARC open the door and talk about any concerns you have.  There is substance there, accountability and a history with their community.  But with you , Ajax, we need to rely on your personal feelings.  You have no substance, no way to hold you accountable for what you say.  You say someone was raped. Yet refuse to say who or by who?  This isn’t something someone typically says on the internet and then refuses to name the person unless they are lying.  You know that and the readers know that.  If you are telling the truth you have nothing to be afraid of.  If you are lying then you need to stay in the shadows the way you are and allow the rest of us to speak openly and honestly.  We expect to be held to task for our actions, you apparently do not.
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Re: why isnt vause arrested?
« Reply #85 on: April 27, 2009, 08:15:28 PM »
You keep asking for proof that AARC is lying and breaking the laws. We keep giving it to you. At first you deny it, but as soon as you realize that you're being illogical, you simply shrug it off and say it doesn't matter.
There is a law in Alberta that states that you can confine your child for a maximum of 5 days in a protective safe house, after obtaining government approval. Even then, the child has the right to appeal and have access to legal aid. I've provided the link for that law, which AARC does not abide by. Before 2006, I don't believe parents were legally allowed to force their children into treatment for any amount of time.
AARC has flown under the radar with the help of influential friends and by falsely claiming to be an outpatient treatment centre. I was shocked when I learned just a couple of months ago that they were lying and claiming to be non-residential. Now I see why they might chose to lie about that:
Children's Minister Janis Tarchuk: "In terms of AARC, my department does not have any capabilities or mandate to license a non-residential addiction treatment centre."
Eventually, I believe that AARC is going to be forced to stop using host homes for their detainees at night. They will be forced to admit that they are a residential treatment centre, and will be subjected to the regulations and licensing requirements it's been avoiding since it's inception. The "research and life experience" of Vause, Natalie, Bryan, Colin, and all of the peer counselors may impress you, but the government of Canada will likely frown upon a bunch of laymen performing psychic murder on teenagers.
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Re: why isnt vause arrested?
« Reply #86 on: April 27, 2009, 08:31:25 PM »
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There is a law in Alberta that states that you can confine your child for a maximum of 5 days in a protective safe house, after obtaining government approval. Even then, the child has the right to appeal and have access to legal aid. I've provided the link for that law, which AARC does not abide by. Before 2006, I don't believe parents were legally allowed to force their children into treatment for any amount of time.

That is a parental choice.  Some may choose not to have their child court ordered for 5 days and just place them into AARC on their own with no court, thereby bypassing the 5 day rule.  Parents can place their children anywhere they like until the child is 18 or 21.  If you just sign a waiver you can place your child into daycare for days at a time until they are 18.  You can pass you kids off to a nanny and the nanny can do whatever she likes.  Take the kids over state lines is she chooses.  You can drop your kids off at their grandparents indefinitely for no reason or any paperwork involved.

You seem to be confused on the law a bit.... when kids become 18 then the due process, habeas corpus and personal choices etc. start to kick in.  Until a child is old enough the parents dictate what needs to be done.
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Re: why isnt vause arrested?
« Reply #87 on: April 27, 2009, 08:39:01 PM »
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Children's Minister Janis Tarchuk: "In terms of AARC, my department does not have any capabilities or mandate to license a non-residential addiction treatment centre."

There are thousands of businesses that do not require a license to operate within the city limits.  The childrens minister Janis Tarchuk said himself that he does not have the capability to license AARC.  So this is not the fault of AARC. They might have applied several times but since they are non-residential the licenses do not apply.  So they run under a special license or none at all like everyone else.
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Re: why isnt vause arrested?
« Reply #88 on: April 27, 2009, 08:52:36 PM »
A new heavyweight champion of nonsense has just been crowned!  It is not legal for parents to put their kids anywhere they want until they're 18.  That is a blatant lie, and displays either complete ignorance of the subject at hand, or complete dishonesty.


"So they run under a special license or none at all like everyone else."
Just like everyone else practising medicine without a license.  So there's the Wiz, and all the back-alley abortionists and possibly organ-traffickers.  Excellent company for the Wiz to keep!
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Re: why isnt vause arrested?
« Reply #89 on: April 27, 2009, 08:56:07 PM »
I'm actually not confused about this law at all. "The Protection of Children Abusing Drugs Act (PChAD) is an Alberta law that takes effect on July 1, 2006 to help children UNDER 18 years of age."

Unfortunately for AARC, children in Canada DO have rights.
Convention on the Rights of the Child:
Article 37
(b) No child shall be deprived of his or her liberty unlawfully or arbitrarily. The arrest, detention or imprisonment of a child shall be in conformity with the law and shall be used only as a measure of last resort and for the shortest appropriate period of time;

Do not even get me started on how many clients in AARC were "deprived of his or her liberty unlawfully or arbitrarily." Some clients weren't even diagnosed as addicts. Anybody remember that guy who was in AARC because they claimed he was "addicted to anger" or the girl who was "addicted to lying"? The vast majority of clients were not court ordered or convicted of any crimes. I saw so many kids in AARC who were 12-13 when they went in, had drank a few times and were NOT addicted - and unfortunately, those were the kids who often spent the longest amounts of time in AARC - years of their lives stolen from them. "Last resort and for the shortest appropriate period of time"? As the Wiz himself would say, I think I'm gonna have to call bullshit on that one.
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