why isnt vause arrested?

[TheWho]

A new heavyweight champion of nonsense has just been crowned!  It is not legal for parents to put their kids anywhere they want until they're 18.  That is a blatant lie, and displays either complete ignorance of the subject at hand, or complete dishonesty.


"So they run under a special license or none at all like everyone else."
Just like everyone else practising medicine without a license.  So there's the Wiz, and all the back-alley abortionists and possibly organ-traffickers.  Excellent company for the Wiz to keep!

So Children's Minister Janis Tarchuk doesnt have a problem with AARC and is aware of them.  What law has been broken and why dont you speak to him directly?

Seems a little odd you keep all of this information and knowledge to yourself and this forum.

[ajax13]

Why don't you spell out which law permits AARC to hold people against their will?  Why don't you demonstrate which law permits AARC to hold someone without allowing the detainee to contact a lawyer?  Why don't you show us which law permits AARC employees to perform activities deemed to be Restricted Activities under the Health Professions Act in Alberta despite their lack of professional qualifications and licenses?

Now which poster knows whom I have and have not contacted in the Alberta government, and what their various responses have been?  More of that good ol' AARC supernatural power!

[TheWho]

You post the links but you fail to read it yourself.. listen up “The PChAD program allows you, as legal guardian, to ask the court for an apprehension and confinement order. This order will mean your child can be taken to a protective safe house for up to five days, even if he/she does not want to go.”

The parents may choose this route if they want to for their child.  Personally I would rather avoid the court appointed 5 day eval and just go directly to AARC myself.  Not all kids need to go through the PChAD program.  You seem to be confused.

[Anonymous]

Your complete lack of common sense is starting to get irritating. First of all, please stop referred to Janis Tarchuk as if she were male. Second, these are hardly secrets that I'm keeping to myself. Just because the police didn't raid AARC the day after the Fifth Estate, you seem to think that AARC is in the clear. Pretty foolish assumption, if you ask me.

[TheWho]

This whole conversation has been really worth it.  I didn’t realize until reading here that most posters felt that the 5 day evaluation period was mandatory.  There is so much mis information going on here (Ajax you are really confusing people here).  The use of the PChaD is just one of many avenues a parent can take.  Not all kids are subjected to this nor should they be.  It is good that we were able to clear up this confusion.

Parents can place their children directly into AARC without going thru the court system.

[Anonymous]

Did Mr.Tarchuk tell you that? You're so certain that children don't have rights in Canada and parents can do whatever the hell they want with them... Where on that website does it say, "You can lock up your kid the legal way, or 'the AARC way"'? There have been several stories in the news about parents locking their kids in their basements for long periods of time. Strange that the police cared since children are mere possessions of their parents and it's nobody's business where the parents choose to keep them. Tell me, does AARC have it's own time zone over there on Forge Rd.? There really isn't a single law in the country that applies to them, is there? Remarkable.

[inc]

Mr.Chase: "...The AARC facility has a business licence as
opposed to having a professionally accredited licence that would
recognize it as a legitimate treatment facility for children suffering
addictions or extended to those suffering behavioural problems.  Not
all children at the AARC facility are there because of addictions.
Now, because this organization receives $300,000 in yearly grants
from the government, I would think that there would be greater
concern about the types of treatment that were offered, the fact that
it is not a residential treatment centre, the fact that it is not subject
to external inspection because of the overnight monitoring of
children in externally locked, barred bedrooms, where their door
monitor is another junior in a vulnerable position.  It’s the fact that
the facility isn’t licensed..."

Even if parents did have the right to keep their children in a basement or an unlicensed treatment centre for years without court order, it's only fair that they get all of the facts, don't you think? Most parents are under the impression that everything at AARC, from the assessment criteria to the credentials of the staff, is valid and professional. If AARC was completely transparent, I guarantee you that only the most negligent and unconscionable parents would drop their kids off at this place. AARC's business is fixing bad kids. With their useless pieces of paper framed in their offices, they line up these kids in rows like an assembly line and take away their bad personalities, one by one. To AARC, whether a kid is depressed, angry, the victim of abuse, incest, or abusing drugs, the 12 Steps is a panacea that will cure them all. In the end, all of the graduates are the same - happy faces, completely lost inside. A.A. robots, terrified of not only the world, but of themselves. If they learn to adapt to their new personalities, they'll end up like you: loyal followers, devoted to keeping their 'family' intact at any cost. But if one day, they decide that they want out of the cult, it's not so easy to remember how to think, feel, or be normal. I understand that some of you like it in your little family, but not all of us wanted to join you. Vause and his staff had no right to detain us and no matter how many questions you dodge or complaints you dismiss, they are going to be held accountable.

[TheWho]

Even if parents did have the right to keep their children in a basement or an unlicensed treatment centre for years without court order, it's only fair that they get all of the facts, don't you think? Most parents are under the impression that everything at AARC, from the assessment criteria to the credentials of the staff, is valid and professional.

I don’t see any reason why parents should not believe that.

If AARC was completely transparent, I guarantee you that only the most negligent and unconscionable parents would drop their kids off at this place. AARC's business is fixing bad kids.

You should try dropping by and speaking with some of the people there, I think you would get a different impression.

 

With their useless pieces of paper framed in their offices

What is useless about them? And you want to add more pieces of paper by hanging up a copy of a license?  Whats the point of that?  Are all programs which are licensed considered okay to you?

, they line up these kids in rows like an assembly line and take away their bad personalities, one by one. To AARC, whether a kid is depressed, angry, the victim of abuse, incest, or abusing drugs, the 12 Steps is a panacea that will cure them all. In the end, all of the graduates are the same - happy faces, completely lost inside. A.A. robots, terrified of not only the world, but of themselves. If they learn to adapt to their new personalities, they'll end up like you: loyal followers, devoted to keeping their 'family' intact at any cost. But if one day, they decide that they want out of the cult, it's not so easy to remember how to think, feel, or be normal. I understand that some of you like it in your little family, but not all of us wanted to join you. Vause and his staff had no right to detain us and no matter how many questions you dodge or complaints you dismiss, they are going to be held accountable.

Everyone will be held accountable at some point in their lives.  We read about very few people here taking accountability for their own lives and the choices they made that led them to be placed in a program.  Accountability isn’t just reserved for other people besides yourself.  Nearly every person placed in a program knew it was coming and could have avoided it by changing their behaviour.  Dont try to blame others for your own mistakes.

[Anne Bonney]

I don’t see any reason why parents should not believe that.

Then you haven't been paying attention or you're just plain ignoring facts.

You should try dropping by and speaking with some of the people there, I think you would get a different impression.

ROFLMAO.  I'd be glad to interview some kids, with parents present, but not staff.  Think that'd go over well with them?

Nearly every person placed in a program knew it was coming and could have avoided it by changing their behaviour.  Dont try to blame others for your own mistakes.

Fuck. You.

[inc]

Institutional accreditation certifies that an institution has met minimum standards of quality. To practice as an independent clinical psychologist anywhere in the United States or Canada, you must be licensed. Each country has drafted their own guidelines for the accreditation of both higher education institutions and of degrees they issue, by listing all requirements that are to be met in order to be granted accreditation. Academic titles and qualifications awarded by a 'non-accredited' institution are not entitled for recognition, and are not worth the paper they are printed on. Accreditation means everything when it comes to education, and if you use a degree from a non accredited institution, you will, at the very least, be laughed at, or at the very worst, be held legally responsible and fined and/or charged.

Like any other cult, there are going to be people who find a sense of belonging and devotion with AARC. I have no interest in going to AARC to talk to newly graduated families about their opinions on the program, for several reasons:

- I, like many people who graduated from AARC, would have praised the program and staff for 'saving my life' shortly after graduating. Despite the negative impact AARC had on my life, I believed that AARC staff were god-like and all of my issues were due to my disease. I believe that the vast majority of graduates will feel differently about the program in 5-10 years (if they manage to separate themselves from it) so hearing people praise AARC just makes me shake my head.

- Despite the fact that I find it preposterous, I am open minded to the fact that some people may truly feel that being in AARC was a beneficial experience for them. That will never change how I feel about the program. I would never accept or condone a cult based on the fact that some people like being a part of it.
For example, I'm not about to run down to L.A. and rescue Tom Cruise from Scientology. He appears positively delighted to be a Scientologist, and if believing that his soul is a thetan that needs to get audited (or whatever they believe) makes him happy, who am I to say he's wrong? But if Scientologists started incarcerating teenagers, forcing them to endure brainwashing, emotional, physical and sexual abuse... then yes, I might run down to L.A. because I would have a problem with that. Holding up a few happy faced, zombie eyed teenagers who said that they were 'grateful' would mean nothing to me, just like AARC's glowing testimonials mean nothing to me.

I used to wonder what I did wrong, and why the program just didn't work for me. Now that it's clear that I'm not just some anomaly - that the program screws people up because the staff are untrained, unqualified, corrupt cult leaders, I can easily understand why the program did not work for me.

[Anonymous]

I used to wonder what I did wrong, and why the program just didn't work for me. Now that it's clear that I'm not just some anomaly - that the program screws people up because the staff are untrained, unqualified, corrupt cult leaders, I can easily understand why the program did not work for me.

I completely understand....I used to think the same thing, that maybe it was me that was fucked up, and not the program.  That is part of the problem---these guys are passing themselves off as some kind of experts in the field when actually they are polishing their shoes with shit and putting shinola on their gardens.

[Anonymous]

i'm getting pretty sick of all the back and forward here: former clients bashing aarc, aarc staff and supporters defending aarc. lets do an exercise that might settle this.

btw. thes reason that vausse hasnt been arrested is because our criminal code hasn't yet evolved to protect youth against being tortured in residential treatment centers
after their lives have been signed away, but that is going to change one day.

imagine that dr. vausse is in court, under oath, in front of a supreme court judge.

the judge says, "dr. vausse, you are charged with operating a residential treatment center that abuses minors (the abuse in question is multi-faceted, i dont need to be specific because
we all know how the abuse plays out at aarc). this is a very serious matter. please explain yourself"

what is he going to say? he is guilty as sin. he will for the first time in a long time be confronted with someone with more power than himself and he cant lie. take away his authority
and his power to lie and he's nothing.

and dr. vausse:

"we-we-well your honor.... what we do to kids at aarc... its all done in the name of curing addiction. i'm a hero! sure i psycholically destroy minors and rebuild them in my own image so they
can advance the cult i lead and legitimize my radical and perverse beliefs on behavior modification, but i have an 85% success rate! we've always tried to keep things very secretive before.
look, the ends justify the means. ask my many supporters in the provincial government! i've just got that good old prarie work ethic :roflmao: "

then the judge would say:

"i'm sorry mr. vausse. the evidence is compelling. you are guilty of brainswashign minors, abusing minors, taking advantage of their families, raking in vast sums of money under false pretences,
and all the while you have worked as hard as you can to conceal your criminal behavior and have shown absolutely no remorse. i'm afraid my hands are tied. i order you to repay the province of
alberta 5 million dolars which is to be distributed amoungst your victims and their families and i sentence you to 10 years in a maximum security facility for dangerous offenders."

do you know what thats called? its called justice. and believe it or not people like dean vausse always get caught and do experience justice. what he has done has caught up with him.

[ajax13]

You watch too much television.

[Anonymous]

Parents can place their children directly into AARC without going thru the court system.

So what was the point in creating this whole pchad business where a court order is required for 5 days of forced treatment?

If you can keep kids for extended periods in AARC against there will - what's the big deal about 5 days?

You would THINK a court order (significant tax dollars there) should be required in the more severe cases (AARC?).

Seems like a massive waste of money enforcing the pchad when people can just drag their kids to aarc without it.

 :bs:

[Anonymous]

Nevermind the transparency behind her ridiculous ruse asking all these questions obviously trying to figure out who knows what. Here fishy fishy fishy...  

I'll not have a battle of wits with someone who isn't armed. It's not fair.

 :roflmao:   :roflmao:   :roflmao:  you were talking of yourself . . . don't forget Brian, Colleen, Greg and Marnie . . . . NOw there are some seriously scary people . .  incredibly dull and small minded but certainly amusing.