PURE Rebuttal - It All Makes Sense Now

[MelissaR]

Anon,do I know you? Cameron is a piece of fat shit for sure and he's doing meth........

[Anonymous]

Melissa,

No we have yet to meet. I don't doubt there is drugs at SCL.

I had heard that ther were  a couple of years ago.

If I knew than what I know now, WWASP would not be in my vocbulary.

If Camereon is doing Meth why is he so fat?

Could it be all of the food he keeps from the kids?

What a loser that one is.A bif phoney too.
At least he shows up.Jay Kay hides from the parents. Now I know why.

[Anonymous]

On 2003-08-28 18:50:00, Anonymous wrote:



This is very funny in a way.  You send a not so troubled teen to a behavior modification school for textbook learning?  Who's the stupid one?  "

In retrospect,  I freely ADMIT that I was stupid to send our son to WWASPs' so called school.

And by extension of your irrefutable logic, I would say that ANY PARENT WHO SENDS THEIR CHILD TO A WWASP SCHOOL IS STUPID TOO.

[anon]

[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 15:29 ]

[MelissaR]

Cameron is doing meth, he used to run a meth lab in Montana but he got busted so he "wanted to turn his life around" so that's why he works with "troubled teens," more like beats the shit out of them... anyway, yah if you find information on him he was busted, Montana is the #1 state on meth production, especially in the Thompson Falls area. Drugs are insanely easy to get in town, that's what I was told from staff, anyway. If it means anything, I just saw pictures of him on SCL's website and he looks to have lost quite some weight since I last saw him. When were you in the program?

[Anonymous]

I suggest you call the DEA and have him investigated and/or arrested.  If you're only posting your accusations on this board, you are not doing all you can do to it back up.

[Anonymous]

On 2003-08-27 00:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Are you guys for real?  You sound like babies and I think you're supposed to be parents!   :rofl: Betcha never learned what living your life as a victim means.   :rofl: Judy - if your kid said they sat with one book for 6 hours a day and you believed it, you're just as bad as your kid.  What did you do, go to the seminars and staff to look good??   :rofl: "

You are jumping to the wrong conclusions yet again. My information about my child taking one class at a time came from my family rep. I also had a discussion about this very thing face-to-face with Eugenia Collins. I was also told that they are in school for 6 hours a day so I concluded he was sitting with an algebra book for 6 hours a day. And yeah, my "kid" does confirm that he was required to pass this class before he could begin another.

On that subject, my child never did lie all the time and when he did I pretty much knew. So discounting everything he has ever said is ridiculous. Don't you know when your child lies to you? Don't you just know by using your own common sense? Don't you know your own child well enough to discern truth from lies? I can't imagine what would make you call my child a liar when you have never met him and know nothing of him. Do you assume all people unknown to you are liars? Or just me and my son?

No, I didn't go to seminars to look good. I was not one of the facilitator wannabe attention sucks. I never needed a pat on the back from the facilitators nor from the other attendees. I didn't have a need to tell my story nor a desire to force others to hear what I thought of their story. I picked and chose from the seminars what I thought was useful and left the rest behind. What was useful to me then still is now. What I thought was garbage then, I still consider garbage now.

Judy

[Anonymous]

"I didn't have a need to tell my story nor a desire to force others to hear what I thought of their story'"

Judy - so what changed?  You've got a lot of "stories" now :rofl:

As for knowing when a loved one lies...not unless we're psychic.  That makes NO sense at all.

[Anonymous]

"my child never did lie all the time" - would you like to re-write this sentence?

[Anonymous]

On 2003-08-31 00:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

""I didn't have a need to tell my story nor a desire to force others to hear what I thought of their story'"



Judy - so what changed?  You've got a lot of "stories" now :rofl:



As for knowing when a loved one lies...not unless we're psychic.  That makes NO sense at all.   "

No, I haven't told my "story". I have replied to specific topics if I happen to have personal knowledge.

No, I don't have to be psychic to know when a loved one lies, it's called reasonable intelligence, common sense, critical thinking... But let me point out again that information in question came from Joan Davis and Eugenia Collins so I don't know why my child's honesty is being debated at all.

Judy

[Anonymous]

Judy - reasonable intelligence, common sense, critical thinking...

Actually, I don't ALWAYS know when a loved one is being honest.  I lived with a habitual liar, my ex husband, and it was hard to discern when he was telling the truth.  Most of what I learned was that I chose to trust my gut feeling, and not base it on intelligence, common sense or critical thinking.  That didn't work.

Didn't I read somewhere that some kids choose to do one course at a time as opposed to doing several?  If that wasn't his choice, then the academic advisor may have seen a need to do it this way.  I get that you questioned the lesson plan, but that may not be the whole story.

[Anonymous]

On 2003-08-31 20:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Judy - reasonable intelligence, common sense, critical thinking...



Didn't I read somewhere that some kids choose to do one course at a time as opposed to doing several?  If that wasn't his choice, then the academic advisor may have seen a need to do it this way.  I get that you questioned the lesson plan, but that may not be the whole story.    "

One more time..I am only replying with info I personally have so I am not referring to "some kids". Specifically, it was Ms. Collins' decision. My FR was merely the one who communicated the decision to me. Ms. Collins then confirmed that it was her decision. It's all very simple, no lines to read between, no assumptions to be made based on anything else read, posted, or imagined. I am always amazed at how program parents will second guess and try to cast a different light on something that those involved do not feel a need to defend. I am certain that Ms. Collins herself would not continue this dialogue but would confirm that this is correct. I assume that she did see "a need to do it this way". She and I strongly disagree on the appropriateness of her decision but we would agree on the specifics of the lesson plan and how it came about. You, however, choose to conclude that someone has to be lying when you have no information at all to base that on.

Judy

[Anonymous]

Judy - is your child still there?  Is so, maybe PURE can help you in the rescue.   :wink:

[Anonymous]

The students are required to do one subject at a time.They are required to complete a module, chapter,receive 80% or better before moving  to the next chapter.6 hrs with a book,no teacher is a reasonably amount of time to self teach if that is at all possible.

Anon your information in supporting wwasp,critizing people who had lived the nightmare, is very limited.

[Anonymous]

I do have experience with WWASPS.  My son had 4-5 subjects per day. When he first got there he was only doing 2 because of his ADD and his past academic history. He worked into the 4-5 with great success.  He did have to complete each chapter packet before getting another one, but it was not just 1 subject.  He did say that some students are asked to do just one subject if they are struggling, but that's not the norm at all.  I don't think there is anything wrong with questioning the teachers motives if you don't agree or don't understand.  They want the student to be successful and sometimes that's what it takes.  Passing with an 80% or higher is wonderful, that way they understand the content.  My son's previous public school passed him to the 9th grade even though his grades were D's-F's.