Pam's address will be posted unless she renounces AA

[Anonymous]

This is so gross. Pam edit out your personal info. The anti-A.A. harasser just makes his p.o.v seem populated by idiotic, reality-disconnected zealots

This guest and OP = same person

uH,...no. Psy, you can tell that person we are different people. You have my permission.

[Anonymous]

Pam. Edit out your info now. Nobody needs to know it. i'm sorry you have to deal with this.  this is unfortunetly the level of this forum...

[Anonymous]

How do you know they weren't bluffing about having the address? its a pretty common troll around here.. Not that smart to reveal your address and phone number. wasps fanatics might be watching.

[Miss Antsy Pam]

How do you know they weren't bluffing about having the address? its a pretty common troll around here.. Not that smart to reveal your address and phone number. wasps fanatics might be watching.

So it is better to wait and see what an unstable person does/doesn't do regarding the release of my contact information?  Spend time wondering will he or won't he?  Not a chance!

Problem solved, I released it myself.  Info is a matter of public records anyhow.  :deal:

End of thread and end of threats!
 ::deadhorse::

[iamartsy]

Pam,
Please edit it. I don't know who it is, but they really have no right. Your safety and anonymity is much more important. You and I both know that. Everyone who is anyone here knows that.
I Am Artsy

[FemanonFatal2.0]

I agree Pam, a random troll on fornits isnt going to show up on your door but WWASPies and the other turds that watch this site for information they can use against us have been known to do worse. and unfortunately they are smart enough not to just barrel through the gates, they could do some sneeky stuff like come in as pest exterminators and release poisonous gas into your house via your pipes from the outside that lead to your sinks. I think you made your point but we don't need you exterminated so please will you remove it?... for us???

[Anonymous]

I agree Pam, a random troll on fornits isnt going to show up on your door but WWASPies and the other turds that watch this site for information they can use against us have been known to do worse. and unfortunately they are smart enough not to just barrel through the gates, they could do some sneeky stuff like come in as pest exterminators and release poisonous gas into your house via your pipes from the outside that lead to your sinks. I think you made your point but we don't need you exterminated so please will you remove it?... for us???

No.

And unless you have specific incidents of violence against people who have posted their own contact information in the past I'd really prefer you not stoop to fear mongering.

Pam, you are in no risk of being attacked by anyone. I applaud you for shutting up your little troll/survivor.

[Anonymous]

I agree Pam, a random troll on fornits isnt going to show up on your door but WWASPies and the other turds that watch this site for information they can use against us have been known to do worse. and unfortunately they are smart enough not to just barrel through the gates, they could do some sneeky stuff like come in as pest exterminators and release poisonous gas into your house via your pipes from the outside that lead to your sinks. I think you made your point but we don't need you exterminated so please will you remove it?... for us???

No.

And unless you have specific incidents of violence against people who have posted their own contact information in the past I'd really prefer you not stoop to fear mongering.

Pam, you are in no risk of being attacked by anyone. I applaud you for shutting up your little troll/survivor.

Absolutely!

Paranoia is really one of the most powerful weapons in the programmies' arsenal.  It doesn't take much effort or expense to foster, yet it is extremely effective at hindering those in whom it is successfully induced.  I'm not saying that violence from programies is never a possibility, I mean, Synanon put venomous snakes in a reporters mailbox, but I think that the teen torture crowd wouldn't want that kind of negative publicity, and they probably aren't competent enough to successfully carry out some kind of shit like that.  If they think that they can just shut you up through fear and by fueling paranoid fantasies, though, they certainly will attempt to do so.  If they can silence you though intimidation, then the truth of what these places are about will go unknown by most people.

[Anonymous]

It was a de-rattled rattlesnake (so you wouldn't hear it), and it was in an attorney's mailbox, from what I recall.

[FemanonFatal2.0]

I agree Pam, a random troll on fornits isnt going to show up on your door but WWASPies and the other turds that watch this site for information they can use against us have been known to do worse. and unfortunately they are smart enough not to just barrel through the gates, they could do some sneeky stuff like come in as pest exterminators and release poisonous gas into your house via your pipes from the outside that lead to your sinks. I think you made your point but we don't need you exterminated so please will you remove it?... for us???

No.

And unless you have specific incidents of violence against people who have posted their own contact information in the past I'd really prefer you not stoop to fear mongering.

Pam, you are in no risk of being attacked by anyone. I applaud you for shutting up your little troll/survivor.

Actually I HAVE heard of that exact type of incident happening, but of course it was not by WWASP it was by an unknown person or group that by the level of expertise used rumored to be a professional hit. I just dont think its too far out of the way for a group that consents to abusing and murdering children to hire out the murder of someone who may be responsible for furthering their bad reputation. It might be unlikely but not impossible and I made the point to only prove that there are ways that the security that she mentioned can be bypassed and she can still be hurt.

You can all said I'm paranoid or something that's fine, but I didn't say that to scare her I said that to counter balance her over confidence on the issue by explaining an exact way that her security, and her personal protection could fail her from attack. In order to make the point that the best way to ensure her safety is to avoid giving out personal information.

[Anonymous]

Wasn't it easier just to out those we are talking about. A friend in their main-office sent me a phonelist:

ACADEMY AT IVY RIDGE - 5428 State Highway 37, Ogdensburg, NY 13669-9699
Jason Finlinson Ext 110 Cell: 315-778-8664 HM 315-393-6299 shelby@academyivyridge.com
Dave Gravlin - girls Ext 112 Cell: georgette@academyivyridge.com
Jake Finlinson Ext 126 Cell: 315-276-8133 www.carolinasprings.com
Elaine Davis Cell 864.314-2474 Director dgpennock@yahoo.com (Administration)
Denise Rhodes Ext. 223 Cell: 864.992.7774 www.crosscreekprograms.com
Karr Farnsworth 435-635-6003 Cell 435-229-5277 FAX 435-635-2331 kerryg@crosscreekprograms.com
Beverly Nelson 435-635-6007 Cell 435-229-3479 Fax 435-635-2331 jeni@crosscreekprograms.com
Ron Garrett 435-229-6708
Riitta Nugent 435-635-6033 Cell 435-229-6706 www.darringtonacademy.com
Dace Goulding Cell: 706.851.5560 Home: 706.946.8250 richdarrington@hotmail.com
Rennie Hallows Intake Approvals: 706-299-1420 www.horizonacademy.us, Parents Only - www.horizonacademy.net
HORIZON ACADEMY - HCR 70 Box 531, Amargosa Valley, NV 89020
Jade Robinson Cell 702-219-4749 riley@horizonacademy.net
Holly Akemon (FR Sup) Cell 859-200-9307 nancy@horizonacademy.net
Lana Academics Ext. 229 www.majesticranch.org Email: www.midwestacademy.net
319-524-3560 or 319-524-3561, Fax 319-524-3591, Fax (Academics) 319-524-2761
Brian Viafanua Cell: 319-795-2014 ben@midwestacademy.net
Jared Stewart Cell 319-795-2530 carla@midwestacademy.net

PILLARS OF HOPE (INSTITUTO PILARES DE ESPERANZA)
(physical) 3 Km este de Fabrica Abopac, Ceiba-Cascajal de Orotina, Alajuela, Costa Rica, Cento America
011-506-428-4564 or 011-506-428-7000
Harold Dabel Cell 011-506-824-6424 or 864-993-4318 fbustosangel@yahoo.com (Assistant Director)
Ron Del Aguila Cell 011-506-828-7017 (Operations Administrator)
Narvin Lichfield Cell 011-506-428-4629 or 801-389-6126 jus4rod@yahoo.com or www.redriveracademy.net
Brent Hall ext. 110, Cell 318-542-1766 dusky@redriveracademy.net
Alicia Hall (FR Sup) ext. 103, Cell 318-542-9359 nicole@redriveracdemy.net
(Is the last one a relative to the other Gouldings?)

ROYAL GORGE ACADEMY - 615 Pike Ave., Cañon City, CO 81212
Office 719-275-1127 Fax 719-275-5431
Brian Lemons Cell 719-429-3317 huddleston@dixie.edu
(The now closed Royal Gorge was not a part of WWASP, so why are they on the phonelist. Why did the student get transported to Red River when they closed down if they are not a part of WWASP)

SKY VIEW ACADEMY - Number 10, 21st Street, P.O. Box 1627, Hawthorne, NV 89415
Orval Hagerman Cell 406-546-7202 jaredc@skyviewacademy.com
(The authorities in Nevada closed them down. We have a person in the local neighborhood watching the campus when he returns from Iraq)

SPRING CREEK LODGE - 76 Spring Creek Road, Thompson Falls, MT 59873 www.springcreeklodge.com
Cameron Pullan Cell 406-544-5262, Hm 406-827-9144, chaffin@blueslide.com
Mike Chism Program Manager: Cell 406-827-2065, Hm 406--827-3897, patty@blueslide.com
Current Parents: www.blueslide.com (clarkfork/rainbowtrout)
Admissions: 888-633-2697 www.sclinfo.com

TRANQUILITY BAY - c/o Olde' Wharf Resort, St. Elizabeth Parish, Calabash Bay, P.A. Jamaica, WI
876-965-0003 Fax 876-965-3471 www.tranquilitybay.org
Mail to student: P.O. Box 1020, Junction P.O., St. Elizabeth Parish, Jamaica, West Indies
Name c/o Tranquility Bay (Family Rep and ID code on bottom)
Jay Kay Office/Fax 876-965-3262 cell 876-402-7211 academics@tranquility.org
Communication Specialist: Lisa

BENCHMARK MATERNITY HHOME - Woodland Hills, Utah
P.O. Box 404 Salem, UT 84653-0404 benchmarkmaternityhome.com
Darrell Lewis Cell 435-229-8556 435-635-5212 Fax 435-635-2674 djbdsbp7@yahoo.com

I find it very interesting that Royal Gorges info is on this phonelist from 2007 when they at no point has been a member of WWASP - in the public. Spring Creek and AIR is also on regardless of the fact that they official have left WWASP.

[Oscar]

Maybe Royal Gorge was a test to modernize their original program, because they know that money are few among the population, so they have to make their programs cheaper.

Less locations for seminars, graduation on Campus etc.

I have not lived on campus and it would also be hard to find anyone who have tried both systems, so we dont know whether it was less strict at Royal Gorge compared to the other programs.

Just a thought.

[Anonymous]

Well shit.  Now that somebody has posted part of the list, I might as well throw a few more out there:

DAVID GILCREASE Cell 668-4901  roger@dmbc.com or ken@infowest.com

Have fun!

[Anonymous]

SCLA is WWASP.  Their most recent enrollment contract states Teen Help as the billing:

Revised 10/21/08 Spring Creek Lodge must receive the following:
 
1. A copy of this entire Agreement – signed and completed.
2. Check covering the first month’s tuition and processing fee.  Make check payable to
Spring Creek Lodge for the following amount:
12 Month Option:     $5,995.00
 
 
Please send to:  Teen Help
    P.O. BOX 3109  
    St. George, UT 84771
    FAX:  435-674-4830
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Signature        
This sheet needs to be signed and returned with the enrollment agreement.

Revised 10/21/08

So are the others.  They never stopped being WWASP schools.

[Anonymous]

A few more for fun:

BOB LICHFIELD 635-5949 / Cell 313-5949/680-2261or 2262 / 635-4675 / HM FAX 635-7578/632-5315
bl@dmbc.com
Other office 435-635-9198 Ext. 606, 50 South Main St. Ste. E, La Verkin, UT 84745