Profile of a WWASP Parent: Visitors, Please Read

[spots]

Quoted from Anon:
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"Spots -

Question - Aren't you just slightly concerned that when she graduates that she will choose not to have a close relationship with you because of what you are doing? I know she will forgive you, but most graduates separate themselves from negative influences. Are you prepared to be happy that she will graduates or will you attack everything she has done to be where she will be when she does come home?

What's the real story her parents have banned you from communicating with her? And don't give me the brainwashing thing - you know what they say about excuses?"
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This is the profile of the ultimate WWASPS parent.  It is Saturday night, and I have had a bad day.  I miss my precious grandaughter, and am preparing a small photo album for her 15th birthday, which will be August 17. She will have been at Casa by the Sea for 9 months today, 9 months since she experienced ANY experience other than WWASPS, 8 months until she spoke to her mother by phone, cut off from grandfahter and me since May 11, 2003 when I sent her mom the NY Times front page article.  I am hoping she still has some of the same personality we loved so much when she was sent away.

As to the above-referenced post:

forgive me?
separating from negative influences like me??
happy when she graduates??
the real story about why we are banned from communicating?? excuses??
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This parent has completed WWASPS seminars.  She has learned that there is no compassion, no morality, no purpose beyond what the Program tells her.  Laura Hammill, featured as a successful graduate in the NY Times article, was dropped from Level IV to Level I for hugging a sobbing girl missing home at Thanksgiving.  An LA Times reporter went into the Cross Creek gym and witnessed a girl sobbing as she sat against the gym wall, while staff shushed and scattered students: ""Stay away from her". Many kids who are pulled and return home still speak of kids being taken away for beatings, saying "...maybe they deserved it", to appalled parents who cannot understand such sentiments from kids they nurtured. The Program teaches values  Saddam Hussein would value.  There is way more hate than love...where is love in WWASP, anyway?  The seminars post a banner:  "Nothing Can Change When You Are Comfortable", which is a crock of shit.  The human condition, like all creatures in God's World, is one of searching for contentment, not pain.  To purposely inflict emotional pain on your own children, especially by proxy, is ...what can I say...?


 
Anon, posting behind her paper bag, has learned, like her child in Group, to tear apart Reflections, to go for the jugular.  I am not sure even what the purpose is here.  Why go for the jugular, the weak point you perceive? What is your eventual goal?  Why do you do this?  I advocate for doing away with this form of child prison.  Is that it?  Do you need for this prison to remain for your benefit?

Yes, I am worried that we may face a different child, but I rely on her strong personality to remain a wonderful, independent, thoughtful, loving person.  It may not be Day 1 or Day 90...but the goodness and compassion that was Her will be there again.

As to the banned communications?....we tried to show her mother what WWASP did on an hourly basis, based on the literally-hundreds of witnessed reports, as well as recognizing things in the child's letters. (And I forwarded only 4 messages to her in this whole period, not nearly as many as I post on forums.)  This mother has a stake in WWASP:  she paid 1 year in advance; she has committed her child to incompetent sadistic strangers without oversight by any government and I feel she is suffering guilt about it; she removed this child from an abusive stepfather who the mother has a vested interst in protecting; and she is stubborn and cannot deal with the shunning by the rest of our close family.  There.  This is not an excuse, but brainwashing plays a big part.  A person believes what that person NEEDS to believe, including you, Anon.

This Fornits forum is a wide-reaching voice, and if the "Ed Consultant" is correct, many people searching find us in their journey before giving up on their children.  If someone reads this post and finds my sentiment in direct contrast to the mushy teary videos sent by WWASPS by FedEx to "prospects", may they stop and re-think what they are about to do.

You are vicious, predatory, and immoral, Anon. You are a bad parent for off-loading your problems for $2500 a month, and, from your statements on this forum, you are a bad person. I can use big words and well-turned phrases, but, Anon (with apologies to the "other" Anons), FUCK YOU.  The world would be better off if you were hit by a bus tomorrow.

[Anonymous]

It's pretty obvious that your gripe is not with WWASP.  It's with the mother.  IT's not with the anon poster, but the nerve he/she hit.

[Anonymous]

I tend to agree.  It has "zero" to do with Casa by the Sea, because what I've read from SPOTS, it could be ANY program, anywhere. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but the NY Times article was just an excuse, you've been cut off from her for quite bit longer than May. You jumped on the "abuse" bandwagon.  I only have to see the humor in this to see what you're doing Rivergait/Spots. :rofl:

[Anonymous]

Okay let me see if I have this right. The kids who are speaking out about the abuse are the liars. The stories about the brutality and living conditions aren't true. Everything is just hunky dorey. If the program is so great, why does it take until the kids have reached the age of majority to "graduate"? Could it be that the liars are the ones who stand to lose the most if the truth was known? These are brainwashing tactic's. Jim Jones did it to over 800 people who ended up dead. David Karesh led his followers to death. So because WWASP tells you your child is lying and needs more time "working the program" you justify the reasoning behind your panic by believing the most practiced at deception, the WWASP millonaires. Step back and take a long hard look at this. Do you ever question sending your child away? Where there is doubt there is cause.

[Anonymous]

MOST OF THESE PARENTS DONT KNOW THE DAMAG OF WWASPS UNTIL YEARS LATER. MOST CANNOT ADMIT THEY MADE A MISTAKE. MOST PUT THEIR OWN PRIDE THAT THEY DID SOMETHING WRONG RATHER THAN BELIEVING THEIR OWN CHILD. THIS IS A VICIOUS CYCLE THAT WILL BE STOPPED.

[Antigen]

Thank God for good old fashioned, level headed grandparents like you, Spots. You're doing just exactly the right thing. Take lots of pictures. Record or buy songs that remind you of her. Clip newspapers or whatever sort of thing you and she enjoy.

No doubt, you will get back a granddaughter who is changed somehow and injured deeply. My daughter has just come home after 4 years of an almost unimaginably abusive romantic relationship. If you read up on battered wife syndrome, I think you'll find that it works very much the same way as a cult. At least I thought so watching, from a distance, what this psychotic son of a bitch did to my daughter and reflected bitterly that my being wise to the Program was not enough to protect her from just about the same mind fuck.

While she was away, not allowed to talk to us much and never about anything important, we did all of these things. We had to communicate in code. I'd mention to her the hymn of Demeter, for example--what a beautiful and moving poem it was--and mention what an unusually long winter it had been and how anxious the locals were to see Sprng. Not that she'd get that reference off the bat. But she might look it up or talk to a Greek neighbor and ask about it. We made a music CD for her; some songs about what was going on, some that just made us think of her and others that had come out since she left and that we liked and that I thought might give her a taste of the sound-track of home.

The down side is that we knew she'd get punished if he caught on. And we worried that she might take it the wrong way and think we were trying to guilt trip her or to intentionally get her punished or something. But none of that happened. She told us that those little things meant the world to her; they were like a life line.

Well, she's home now. She's a different kid. No, she's not even a kid, but a strong and wise young woman. She's still baudacious, bombastic and devistatingly beautiful, just as before. But changed.

Usually, the kids in these programs are nowhere near as brainwashed as the parents or for nearly so long. But it does have an effect. Brace yourself and just keep on being good grandparents.

Now, lest any of the pod people try and twist this around to look like an endorsement for the Program, I feel obliged to explain that, while my kid seems to have taken a bad experience and turned it to some advantage, I would no more recomend putting your errant daughter into a program or setting her up with a woman beating dope dealer as a path to personal growth than I would recomend throwing her in front of a bus just because some people grow some character in response to trauma.  

The hypothalamus is one of the most important parts of the brain, involved in many kinds of motivation, among other functions.  The hypothalamus controls the "Four F's": 1. fighting;  2. fleeing;  3.feeding; and  4. mating.
-- Psychology professor in neuropsychology intro course

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