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« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2003, 02:29:00 PM »
:flame: OH, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE, PEOPLE...GIVE IT UP!!!

This bickering is so absolutely stupid!  Now, Deborah has written an eloquent review of why such paranoia might come about (I also have been accosted by suspicious emails).  This is a valid concern.  Carey is passionate and has a huge store of valuable information.  Karen has been tireless in working to get this thing shut down.  All these ladies are to be applauded.

I have a very great personal stake in bringing this company down quickly, and I am terrified that we're dividing our energies, lessening their impact.  Pull together, folks...put aside the small stuff or reserve it for private communications.  You all know each other's email addresses.

As for "Anons", I can't really imagine the reason (or, I can't imagine a "good" reason for anonymity), but this forum does allow/promote such smoke-and-mirrors.  Smells so much like WWASPS techniques, that it stinks.  Su Flowers' daughter posts anonymnously, but puts her email address in. Nicole openly invites feedback and communication.

Due to my aforementioned personal stake (I've still got a child incarcerated in Casa by the Sea), I post with a pseudonym but a lot of people know my real email.  At least I don't hide under a paper bag!  If you want to slign mud and then run to put your bag on, go ahead.  I don't respect you, but then I don't have to, do I, and I also don't respect your opinion if you spout it and don't stand behind it.  

Let's move on, and let Ryan, Sue Scheff, and everyone contribute whatever they can...even those "many"??? Anon's who sound the same.  Get on with it.
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« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2003, 02:30:00 PM »
One of you anony"asses" wrote:
i just thought you should know there is always 2 sides to a story, and you dont know all the history either.

Yes, there is ALWAYS two sides to a story. The fact that I, nor most of the other readers here are privy to all the history between you two factions, is precisely the point I made, to support my opinion- this is NOT the appropriate place to continue the fued. Not unless you and your "group" all want to come forward with who you are and tell your stories in complete. Until then, your comments are highly suspect.

The difference between you (and your "group") and Carey- Her story is very public, she doesn't post her opinions and imaginings anonymously. Anyone can check out her story, her character, what her personal motives MIGHT be. I appreciate and respect that. She is willing to subject herself to public scrutiny.

No one is allowed to make an accusation about another "anonymously" in court. The accusers character and motives must be considered as well. Get the point.

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i am glad carey has a friend in you but i for one with many others have been burned by her so called desire to tell the truth.

May be you have been burned by Carey's actions and may be you haven't. We'll never know because no one knows you or your story. Your anonymous words have no validity. Carey and I aren't "friends", we've never met, but I would enjoy that. I happen to respect her for the reasons I have stated in other posts. And I'm not going to sit back and watch this without putting in my two cents worth. Okay, maybe it's a quarter's worth.

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yes we, there is a big group of anti wwaspers and carey thinks of us as rich dumb parents.

May be you are, may be you aren't. Expose yourself and your group, and let the fine people here, who you continuously bombard with your opinions and anti-Carey comments, decide for themselves. There may be some validity to her "dumb" accusation, if you all think anyone here will take your accusations seriously when we know nothing about you.

If there is anyone who should be banned, it is those who post anonymously, attacking others
without supporting their imaginings and accusations with evidence.

And all current evidence points to the group of "rich dumb parents" (your words, not mine) being those who support Sue. What other "group" has issues with Carey?

Logical deduction has its benefits.

So, Sue, are you willing to post your story here and sign your name to it? Are you willing to respond to the accusations Carey made about you? Are you willing to expose your reasoning behind ousting here from the message board, or refusing to post her story at your website, etc, etc? Are you willing to answer questions from this group?

Or will you and your "groupies" just continue to take up space here, with what appears to be an attempt to divide and conquer.

All action taken against WWASP and any other facility operating outside the law and without public scrutiny is worthwhile. If you all have a different strategy, then go for it. But don't be piddling around here making vague accusations and anonymously slandering another person's character. It's quiet disgusting. And if you all are who logical deduction points to you being, you have lost any shread of respect that I might have had for you.

Contribute something positive to the effort here, or go do your own anti-WWASP thing, while supporting other "questionable" programs. I personally feel "Ed Con" is appropriate for this line of work.

You CON parents out of their money. You CON parents into believe that you have their child's best interest at heart. You CON parents into believing you have an inkling of knowing about what their child will endure on a day-to-day basic in any given program. You CON parents when you refer to programs that don't have the minimum protection in place- being properly registered and licensed with the state. Now, you're here trying to CON us into believing Carey is crazy. Won't work. Put up, or shut up.

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« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2003, 04:25:00 PM »
I have heard that at least in the earlier days of WWASPS programs they would tell parents who came to pull their kids that they needed both parents to sign the forms and stuff. Its possible they pulled that kind of thing with the dad. They certainly do everything possible to try to discourage you from pulling your kid and are not above demanding money. No one wants to fly back home leaving their kid in the hands of those monsters for another week so they can get the other parent down there or to bring a bodyguard with them to force their way inside.

Also the bribe may not have been to the school but rather to get him home when wwasp refused to give the father back his kid's passport.

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« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2003, 07:20:00 PM »
Facekahn:
Since when does Mexico require a passport?  It sounds like you actually believe this bullshit and are making "excuses" for this family.  Didy you buy stock in this movie?? If anyone would honestly look at what this website says, you'll know it's all about "hollywood" and not about what really happened.
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« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2003, 08:29:00 PM »
Well, I personally like the song Ryan chose for his website but have to agree that a $60,000.00 bribe sounds like PURE, UNADULTERATED FICTION.

But even if it's true his parents paid $60,000.00 in a negotiated "bribe" as claimed on Ryan's website, it would be nice to know what the starting price was ($100,000.00? $75,000.00?) and whether the parents paid in cash, check or credit card.  

Guess we will just have to wait for the movie to answer that question.

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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2003, 09:00:00 PM »
[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 10:18 ]
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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2003, 09:08:00 PM »
Karen, you said and I quote,

"If I'm wrong - So what?"

Unfortunatly for you, you can't see that that is a problem.  Acussing people of things that are not true, then saying "If I'm wrong - So what?"  is a very dangerous thing to be doing.  Do you think after making a statement like that people should beleive any thing you say?  Because if you are wrong "so what."

When you speak you hurt yourself!

I hope you are not going to be called to testify in court!  

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« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2003, 09:42:00 PM »
Wasn't Sue Scheff the lady that had a teen in a wwasp program and had been referring other families to them until she decided to go out on her own and wwasp refused to pay her for her referrals?  She and others decided to pose as several different people slamming wwasp on the struggling teen site and got busted??  She continues to slam wwasp, when not that long ago she was so happy with wwasp and what it gave to her kid that she continued to refer after she came home?  I wouldn't trust this woman with the the worst agenda I've experienced so far.

From my research, her vendetta stems from wwasp refusing to pay her a fee and she decided to use her site to tell stories against them for her own gain.  I wonder how many parents out there admitted to one of the schools that pays her.  What goes around comes around - If there's anyone I wonder can sleep at night, it's her and her PURE garbage.
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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2003, 10:09:00 PM »
I use my So whats very exclusivly.
On this occassion - if I'm wrong its you - so what.
Once again - I did not *say* it was you - just that all those anaons there had your style.
That much is true.
If I *believe* it is you - So what.
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« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2003, 10:21:00 PM »
sounds like we have a wwaspie on this board! enjoy our postings and it is shame someone or something is effecting your sleep. maybe try OP.
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« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2003, 11:54:00 PM »
Hmmm...could be a wwaspie - but what I see is the point being made is: Who in the hell could trust this Sue person??  I'll wager she'll never testify in court, wwasp would tear her testimony to shreds...for good reason.
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« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2003, 12:29:00 PM »
Sorry Karen, I wanted to go back to this thread and this conversation.

Karen, you said and I quote,

"If I'm wrong - So what?"

Unfortunatly for you, you can't see that that is a problem. Acussing people of things that are not true, then saying "If I'm wrong - So what?" is a very dangerous thing to be doing. Do you think after making a statement like that people should beleive any thing you say? Because if you are wrong "so what."

Do you think WWASP could pull you into court and have you testify as to your connection with Sue Scheff?  Do you think they could ask you about your statement that you posted on Sue's website in reference to your son and what you say he experienced?  Do you suppose from statements like your "If I am wrong...so what" that in a court of law your accusations could be deemed as less than creditable?

THIS IS MY FEAR.  THIS IS MY FEAR FOR ALL OF YOU WHO ARE ASSOCIATED WITH PURE, INC AND SUE SCHEFF. THAT INCLUDES NOT ONLY KAREN BUT CHRIS, RYAN, JEFF, AND THE REST OF HER FOLLOWERS.  YOU ALL BETTER THINK ABOUT IT.
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« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2003, 02:56:00 AM »
First of all, who in the heck are you to judge someones story when you havent even gone through it yourself? Go ahead and look like a fool, but just know that knowone can justify or warrant the abuse that you keep discrediting. Save some teens while you can or join a frickin soap oprah because we are sick of hearing your depressive comments carey.

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« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2003, 10:14:00 AM »
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« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2003, 10:25:00 AM »
Carey and Karen,
Neither of you have said, or I missed it-
Are either of you plantiffs in the class action?
If not, why?

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