RYAN FRAIDENBURGH DOT COM

[Anonymous]

Let's hope this kid lives up to all the hype building up around him and this much publicized
(still under-financed?) movie.
 
http://www.ryanfraidenburgh.com

 :smokin:

[Anonymous]

what a crock of SHIT - LOL!!!

[Anonymous]

Forced to pee his pants and then get sprayed off???   Or should we say "crock of BULLSHIT! Fiction, sounds like HE's the one that will end up being sued, if he's old enough now.

[Anonymous]

OMG!!!  There's NOTHING on that site that even resembles the truth - what in the hell is he thinking???

[FaceKhan]

Never doubt that a person is capable of committing any act of cruelty on another no matter how unimaginable or wrong because if there is a lesson of the 20th century it is that there is no limit to the suffering that people can inflict on one another. And yes, all the worst examples profited from their crimes at least for a while.

[anon]

[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 10:13 ]

[Carey]

Karen,

I am not Anon.  I am not afraid to say what I think.  

I would not call Ryan a liar, ever.  If he said it happen to him, then who am I to say it did not.  You show your stupid true colors more and more everytime you open your mouth.  Now wonder you fell for the propaganda that WWASP sold you.

But you know what, I will say this.  My boys never witnessed beatings.  They witnessed kids being restrained.  They witnessed fair skin kids be put out in the sun in order to be purposely sunburned in order to inflict pain.  They themselves were made to kneel on rough concrete floors for hours.  They were made to lay flat on their stomachs with their chins up off of the floor for hours.  They were made to sit in certain positions for hours.  Of course all of these were intended to cause pain, in which they did.  They were told that I did not love them because if I did I would know that Dundee was the best place for them and I would leave them there.  The were belittled over and over again. MY BOYS WERE ABUSED!

You can kiss my ass!  And let me tell you again, I am not afraid to say what I think about you, Sue or anybody else.  As a matter of fact you hold on, I am going to cut and paste your connection with Sue in the next post.

I will be right back!

[Anonymous]

KAREN - YOU ARE A GOOD SOUL. YOU AND MANY OF US WERE DUPED BY WWASPS.

AS I SAID EARLIER, "IGNORE CAREY", SHE ISN'T WORTH OUR TIME.  HER HATRED FOR OTHERS IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT TO HER THAN THE ABUSE TO HER! HER CONSTANT DEGRADING OF OTHER PEOPLE IS A PROJECTION OF HER OWN IGNORNANCE. (NOW SHE IS GOING TO PROVE HER IGNORNANCE, GIVE US A BREAK). HOPE SHE KNOWS THAT WE KNOW ALL EMAILS CAN BE "ALTERED" TO HER LIKING, SO ANY POSTS SHE PUTS UP, HOW ARE WE TO KNOW THEY ARE REAL.

MAYBE BECAUSE SHE IS NOT IN THE SPOTLIGHT, JEALOUSLY IS A EVIL THING, AND BOY IS SHE JEALOUS.

RYAN, KEEP UP YOUR GOOD WORK, YOU ARE A VOICE TO MANY THAT NEED YOU. WE ARE NOT HERE TO JUDGE YOU ONLY SUPPORT YOU.

CAREY - YOU HAVE LOST YOUR CREDIBILITY WITH MANY OF US.

[Carey]

This is the email I received from Sue, about you.

"As you may or may not have been in touch with Karen Burnett yet, her son was at Dundee with your twins.  He is speaking of the constant beatings etc. (Her story will be my Jan. 2003 Newsletter with the explanation of my Lawsuit).

You may want to contact her at 502-955-XXX or email kayzee2858@msn.com.  Her son Nathan, went to a real program and recently came home.  She didn't know of the abuse until she actually asked her son.  He just commented that he thought she knew.  Nathan is now 18 and was 17 in the program up to last August.  They are located in KY.  She contacted me after she received my lawsuit in the mail.  That was WWASP's latest desperate tactic.  It backfired with Karen and others.  Many that never knew me, looked me up and now support me."

Sounds to me like you have been coached a little on what to say.  Doesn't WWASP do that to the parents it recruits?  Oh, I forgot, you are in the business of sending kids to unregulated programs just like Sue and WWASP.  That explains the loyalty to Sue and the need to bash WWASP all the while embelishing the truth.  

My boys and my family do not need to embelish the truth.  We do not need to try and gain followers/beleivers of parents who are at wits end. We don't try and offer advice on solutions and programs that we admit to knowing nothing about because we are not trying to sell an alternative.  We deal with our own problems and our own issues with professionals, real professionals, who actually can claim to be educated and trained and who know us and our situation in depth.  We are not trying to profit off of WWASP's fall.  

We are trying to recover from the pain that we, yes we my whole family, has suffered as a result of Dundee.  But we did not only suffer because of Dundee.  There are others who have added to that pain...Sue being one of them.  Amberly being another.  She knew I wanted my boys out.  My very first email was to her, when she was director.  In that email I told her that I had joint custody of my boys and that I wanted them out.  She knew I was going to court.  She could have come forward and testified.  But she like Sue, was more worried about saving her own butt.  

We are trying to help others to not make the mistake that was made in our family.  I want all of this to be over.  I wish I could walk away and never have to think about this whole thing again.  But I can't.  There is far to much pain!  And not that I want your simpathy, but as I write this I cry, it hurts me deeply.

[Anonymous]

CAREY - FIND A LOCAL PSYCH. HOSPITAL FOR YOURSELF AND MOVE ON. YOU ARE STILL SHOWING YOUR NEED FOR INTENSE THERAPY.

[Carey]

Anon,  the difference between you and me is...I am real and you are not.  You say it in your name!

[Deborah]

Anon wrote:
CAREY - YOU HAVE LOST YOUR CREDIBILITY WITH MANY OF US.

Who are the "many" of us? Who anon, are you, and the "many" you speak for? Provide names? Step out from under the paper bag and give some credibility to yourself and comments. What evidence do you possess that might prove that Carey is "jealous" or "supportive of abuse"? It sounds like the imaginings of a teen who has it out for Carey because she questioned his/her hero's involvement in the movie, and therefore wants to have her banned from the In group.

And...anon, if you would stop blathering about your imaginings (Carey being jealous and supportive of abuse) long enough to actually read her story, you'd know that her husband didn't have custody. You are wasting space on this message board constantly bemoaning your imaginings. Get over it. We heard your imaginings the first time.

There are known and unknown factions battling on this message board. There's Carey, Karen, Sue?, and who knows who else. This isn't the appropriate place for that, imho. Most of the readers here don't know the history between you people, or who's who, or what's what. It's not very considerate to expect people to piece together a story with little snipet of information here and there. A little of from many threads.

For me to take anything seriously, there must be an accusation followed by some form of proof to support it. When proof isn't provided, I write it off as someone venting, using the time and attention of others to listen to their personal issues or lame attempts to discredit someone.

The only people in this discussion that I  respect and take seriously are Carey and Karen who don't hide behind a paper bag, who allow other's to question their thinking and motives. The rest of you anon posters don't carry much weight with me. (Perhaps I should exaggerate here and say, don't carry much weight with "the rest of us"- power in numbers.)

I think the thing we should all notice and be aware of is the insidious paranoia that involvement with these types of facilities can create. People don't know who to trust. When I first became involved and started speaking out about a non-WWASP program, I was hesitant to respond to messages I received privately for fear it was a staff member attempting to pull something out of me that they could use against me. I had only shared my experience, yet was threatened- they would take legal action if I didn't cease and desist speaking negatively about the facility.

I appreciate all action taken against any program, by any person, for any reason.

Deborah

[Anonymous]

deborah,

this board offers anon posting, it doesnt mean we are less credible but I respect your opinion.

i am glad carey has a friend in you but i for one with many others have been burned by her so called desire to tell the truth. i know i will be bashed for that, but that is my opinion. truth is good, but letting the other side know what we have is stupid.  All for a desire to be recognized is what we think.  yes we, there is a big group of anti wwaspers and carey thinks of us as rich dumb parents. but we have learned to ignore her and her stupid antics and mud slinging. i just thought you should know there is always 2 sides to a story, and you dont know all the history either. signed anon

[Anonymous]

"After a heated "negotiation" with school authorities and a $60,000 bribe, Ryan was allowed to leave with his father".

This kid and his family will be making $$ from this, I'm only assuming.

Sensationalism sells.  This site is fictitious in the worst possible way.  But it will sell for those liking this sort of movie, I'm sure.

There is no way in hell that this dad couldn't have just gone down there, signed the papers and left with Ryan.  A bribe, and 60,000k at that?? No way in hell again.  Parents don't give up custody or their parental rights.  This dad was probably LOOKING for any reason to bring him home in the first place.  A lot of dad's feel guilty when their kid is beyond their control.  

Ryan is a liar, but money talks.

[Carey]

I would like to hear the story of this $60,000 bribe.  It does not make any sense.  Who bribed who and why?

Did the school pay the parents $60,000 to remain silent about the abuse? That would be a bribe.  Maybe these parents had real proof of abuse, like pictures or something.  If so, these parents should be held accountable, almost as an accomplice, as they left other kids in harms way.  It would indicate they had knowledge of abuse and were paid to not report it.

If the parents bribed the school to release the child...well, that would have to be pure stupidity on the parents part.