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[Carey]

If you don't like it, don't read it.  

Have we not been over this before.  You can not control others.  You can not control what I choose to say.  If you do not want to hear what I have do say, then don't read it.  That you can control.  

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Ain't Fornets great!  We all have a voice and we all have the right to exercise that voice.  We also all have eyes and we can all exercise those eyes....as we so choose to read.

The following is especially for you C.M.

This is why endorsing any consultant or program is dangerous. All of these programs are unregulated and the childern who reside within them are at risk.

That is why if you are truely in it for the kids then you can not stand behind or beside those such as PURE who are in the business. The risk is inherent in all of these types of programs, even Sues.

What makes you think they, WWASP programs, are fighting the idea of regulation tooth and nail? Is there evidence of that. Are they actively lobbying legislators? All I see is them actively going after a competitor who is trying to profit off of their loss.

[Anonymous]

Carey - I could be way off base, but in reading many past posts here is what I see:  

PURE used to refer parents to Fornits if they were considering WWASP schools. My opinion is this would scare the parents silly and wouldn't GO to WWASP after reading it but to "their" gentler and kinder programs :eek:  It seems that many of the PURE camp had/is posting unsubstantiated abuse reports and attacking you (in a very ugly way) for spilling the beans on their agenda.

Now the tables have turned and PURE can no longer refer parents to this site, which was their meat and potatoes.  You exposed those involved and now they are suing YOU.  As an outsider looking in,  I see you as credible in what you shared here.  

The biggest image I have right now of PURE is that they really aren't in the business of helping families in a good way.  Those parents seem to be used by PURE to gain momentum in defaming a program, and only one program, that refused to pay a fee for their referrals.  That's what the first such court hearing was about 2 years ago about the postings on another forum.  WWASP or not, I would take PURE to court from all that has been said from their supporters. Could that be their motivation for suing you?  

Don't you wonder what these "parents" are really all about?  It doesn't seem to be about love and healing, to me.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-02-06 18:54:00, Carey wrote:

"If you don't like it, don't read it.  



Have we not been over this before.  You can not control others.  You can not control what I choose to say.  If you do not want to hear what I have do say, then don't read it.  That you can control.  



 :wink: :lol:

[Anonymous]

Must be coming from a perfectionist that feels the need to point out other people's mistakes instead of looking at what is driving their need to be perfect  :rofl:

[Anonymous]

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On 2004-02-06 18:54:00, Carey wrote:


"If you don't like it, don't read it.  

 If you do not want to hear what I have do say, then don't read it.  That you can control.  





 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I don't mind hearing what you say...I agree with you on many points.....I just think you come across as a bitch to anyone who doesn't happen to agree with EVERYTHING you say.....sounds like the same people you claim to despise so much.  I can agree with you on quite a few topics, i.e. ISAC losing some credibility....but you also diminish yourself with how you say things to people in that snotty, sarcastic tone.  It's like you're a little kid going "nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah" with your damn tongue sticking out.  You most likely have some good resources and good information to share with people who are not aware of these places, but if you come across to them the way you come across here...BELIEVE ME.....you're doing more damage to yourself and this cause than you are good.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-02-06 20:27:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Must be coming from a perfectionist that feels the need to point out other people's mistakes instead of looking at what is driving their need to be perfect  :rofl: "

no, just decided to be childish and condescending, following the example Carey set.

[Anonymous]

Funny thing about reading posts.  You can look at the words and attach a "tone" and think that's how everyone is reading it.  I read Carey's posts as information - no tone to it, just information.  

I haven't read Carey using profanities or kindergarten "get backs".  That is coming from those that are being exposed and they don't seem to like it very much

 :rofl:     :rofl:   :rofl:

[Anonymous]

then you're not paying attention

[Froderik]

Funny thing about reading posts. You can look at the words and attach a "tone" and think that's how everyone is reading it. I read Carey's posts as information - no tone to it, just information.

D' Nile ain' jes a rivah in Eegypt...

[ This Message was edited by: Froderik13 on 2004-02-07 08:09 ]

[Anonymous]

I miss Ginger who seemed to always have her finger on the pulse of what's b.s. and what isn't. Likewise Froderick, though when it comes to his opinion of Carey, I do think he has been unfair and at times, rather unkind.  Much like the PURE folks who would have us all believe they are the truth-seekers and ISAC, who seems to have seriously lost their way and as such, compromised their integrity.  Personally, I do not object to Carey's posts or their tone.  From the git go she has been consistent in trying to get her message across to people who for the most part, are incapable of seeing the forest for the trees.  It takes some work to wade through all the b.s. but it's worth the effort if one is sincerely interested in separating fact from fiction which can only be done by seeing both sides of the coin. That's what I think Carey's message is.

[Froderik]

Actually, I miss Ginger, too. I didn't always agree aith her, but at least she was real, and I know WHO SHE IS. As far as Carey, believe it or not, I don't think everything she says is a crock. But it is very frustrating to try to get her to be on the level about things sometimes.

I want to tell you - all of you anons on both sides must have some reason for posting here, unlike me. Actually I do/did have a reason. to shut you all up BY getting SOMEONE to come out and state the truth. Carey seemed like she was FOS. I went for it. It was like talking to the tar-baby, at least that was my experience. And her tone is almost abrassive as mine is at times, lol. Hence my increasingly obnoxious posts and threads that followed (2-3 months ago) So you anons must have a reason for posting here AND being anonymous. You all are with different organizations and you care what people think about what they read on this forum...why do you spend so much time debating all of this litigious stuff? Why can't there be a separate place where you all can dothis so that the rest of us don't have to see it?  ::

[Anonymous]

Yeah, Ginger is definitly missed and it pisses me off that certain people had the audacity to ever say an unkind word about that lady because she is a bona-fide (for real) humanitarian, unlike these wanna-be puritarians and FOS program parents. Anyway, not to worry.  The truth is marching on and Froderick, it's good you are onboard with keeping it real. Sooner or later, the house of cards is gonna fall because everybody in their own way has helped to chip away at the facade weakening the foundation, the very nuts and bolts of the TEEN HURT INDUSTRY.  So carry on, anons and non-anons. We ain't outta the trenches yet!

[Anonymous]

Oh, regarding the litigious issues.  Personally, I agree with Froderick.  It would be helpful to have a separate forum though I think the question was asked before and Ginger had expressed some doubt as to whether that was a viable suggestion. Since some people (myself included) have taken the time to study the legal issues at-hand and find them to be highly worthy of discussion and debate, perhaps Ginger will reconsider adding a forum, if nothing else, to keep these issues at the forefront instead of on the back burner.  Frankly, there is good reason to pay attention to what is going on in the legal arena (but of course, the litigants know that, which is why they probably would object to a separate forum).

 :smokin:

[Anonymous]

Well, sorry you find it annoying.  It's too bad there's nothing we can do to put a flag in the topic heading so those of you who don't want to read the legal threads can know which ones to avoid.

I'm not with any program.  My motivation for being here is I knew someone who got shipped off for no good reason and was appalled to find out that it was legal.  Then it turned out that we couldn't do anything to get her out and the only constructive thing we could do was to get involved and try to get some safeguards and oversight in place so it wouldn't happen to anyone else.

I'm on Fornits because it's the best site I've found on the net for breaking news on the industry.

I'm anon because my friend's family is rich and if a chance comes up to help her I don't want to risk not being able to because their lawyer manages to make hay out of something I said on the internet---paranoid, I guess, but *not* taking the  risk is the only thing left I can do for her.

I don't know if it will help, but from now on if I'm talking about something legal, then either in the topic or subtopic I'll put (legal)---it should make it easier for those of you who want to skip over it.

[Anonymous]

Good Idea, Anon.  No harm in marking posts LEGAL if that's what the issues are about.  I don't think Froderick cares if people are interested in the legal stuff, he probably just wishes they would carry on their discussions in a forum that is reserved for just that purpose.  God knows we could all use a little direction (just kidding, I swear!!).  Anyway, it's an idea.  Personally, I think it would be helpful to have a clearinghouse of legal issues, past, current and future, that are related to the industry, at large.  That way people doing research or just interested in following a case would know where to find the info.  A separate forum would probably not be all that productive, due to concerns about privacy and pending motions, court rulings, etc.