KHK (Cincinnati) has freakin' CLOSED!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Nobody there tonight. (Oct. 31st 2008) No Open Meeting, nothin.

That's at least a whole week without any client [sic] activity.

KHK is gone.............. Cause of death: Protested to death.

Check out this new page, it is in its infancy but it will grow as time goes on, it is a page specifically for closed programs:

http://www.beyondbusiness.net/youarenext.htm

Really now@WDtony...............

http://http://pathwayfamilycenter.fornits.com/?page_id=15

 Actually someone I was incarcerated with in KHK managed to get out and did come back with a sign to protest by himself around 1988. He committed suicide a few years later. I am aware that there have been other attempts to protest KHK in the past including the past few years of very necessary and successful coverage. I think I mentioned that the site is in its infancy (which means it is not complete and probably contains errors), and I did not create the site, nor do I run it.

In the future it might be advantageous to ask for clarification before jumping to a conclusion based on loose assumptions. This is the type of emotion-based behavior that can be detrimental to what we are trying to accomplish against programs.

This is not propaganda.

This is how a reasonable person could have responded to this situation:

You: Hey Tony, could you check out the site and fix this error?

Me: Sure, I'll get right on it.

See how easy that could have been?   See how reasonable?   I don't see any message about this in my inbox.

So please stop attacking those of us who are fighting programs, it doesn't help. Don't take things so personally.

I guess a "reasonable person" might have made sure that the info is accurate before putting that website up.
How is that not in your control when most of the links lead back to you on that website, and to heal, and your heal page?
Heals agenda seems to be to act as if they have been the only ones doing anything pertaining to Kids Helping Kids.
If you do not have control of what is put on that website, then who does? Angela from heal? If so, do you answer to her? Is she your leader?
Your accusations of "attacking those of us who are fighting programs" is completely unfounded and off-base, as there was no mention in that article that anyone was attacking one who protests a program, just bringing the truth to light about the past protests, and debunking the false information that is posted on that website is all. Maybe you should not be so paranoid, and quit assuming that you know everything. Your patronizing tone will get you nowhere. That, in the end is what will be transparent.
Thank you for requesting the information change, but I really don't think it would have happened at all if it were not for that article, based on your past behavior.

I have said my piece of this conversation, and am done with it.

[Anonymous]

Great, let's have a song...  :jamin:

http://www.ci.royal-oak.mi.us/city/soy05pathway.pdf


Did that say Milford up top of that pdf? I can imagine what the pfc printer correction bill is going to be this year,  :eek: services in Ohio with ghost hosts in Indiana.

It's not a host, its a ghost, in a program that offers the most...

but wait, what's that sound, Penny's still walkin around...

It's a host, not a ghost, where you never get the most...

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

[Che Gookin]

Actually someone I was incarcerated with in KHK managed to get out and did come back with a sign to protest by himself around 1988. He committed suicide a few years later. I am aware that there have been other attempts to protest KHK in the past including the past few years of very necessary and successful coverage. I think I mentioned that the site is in its infancy (which means it is not complete and probably contains errors), and I did not create the site, nor do I run it.

In the future it might be advantageous to ask for clarification before jumping to a conclusion based on loose assumptions. This is the type of emotion-based behavior that can be detrimental to what we are trying to accomplish against programs.

This is not propaganda.

This is how a reasonable person could have responded to this situation:

You: Hey Tony, could you check out the site and fix this error?

Me: Sure, I'll get right on it.

See how easy that could have been? See how reasonable? I don't see any message about this in my inbox.

So please stop attacking those of us who are fighting programs, it doesn't help. Don't take things so personally.

You are still just as big as twat as you were last week.

Fuck off.

[wdtony]

You are unreasonable [guest], If you would have just sent me a message I could have answered all of these questions. I will not answer any questions who posts cowardly as a guest. I believe I know who you are but I don't know why you are afraid to post as yourself.

I don't know why you are so upset over one little error. I am not afraid of your attack on my character, I live outside of Fornits and people can judge me for themselves.

There are no kids at KHK tonight because of what we have done and you are getting upset over a misunderstanding? I guess by pointing out what I see and sticking up for myself I am exhibiting patronizing behavior. That page states "propaganda" and your post to me on Fornits was addressed to me, therefore you are attacking someone fighting programs. Stop doing that, I didn't do anything wrong.

If it's glory you want, Take it. I cannot understand why you have repeatedly been unreasonable and attacked me over the past year. What is wrong with you? Stop attacking me for no good reason and focus on the programs. I have put a large part of my life into this and I will not apologize for stepping on your toes. I am sorry, but the kids stuck in programs come before your being offended. You are unreasonable about what offends you.

[wdtony]

Actually someone I was incarcerated with in KHK managed to get out and did come back with a sign to protest by himself around 1988. He committed suicide a few years later. I am aware that there have been other attempts to protest KHK in the past including the past few years of very necessary and successful coverage. I think I mentioned that the site is in its infancy (which means it is not complete and probably contains errors), and I did not create the site, nor do I run it.

In the future it might be advantageous to ask for clarification before jumping to a conclusion based on loose assumptions. This is the type of emotion-based behavior that can be detrimental to what we are trying to accomplish against programs.

This is not propaganda.

This is how a reasonable person could have responded to this situation:

You: Hey Tony, could you check out the site and fix this error?

Me: Sure, I'll get right on it.

See how easy that could have been? See how reasonable? I don't see any message about this in my inbox.

So please stop attacking those of us who are fighting programs, it doesn't help. Don't take things so personally.

You are still just as big as twat as you were last week.

Fuck off.

I know your game gook, you're just pissed off because you can't fool me like you fool your droogs and badrooga's.

[psy]

Quit bitching, all of you.  A program is shut down and everybody who protested or spoke out about them on the net can collectively pat themselves on the back.  There is a lot to be proud of here, and very little to bicker about.  Where's the next protest?

 :cheers:

[wdtony]

Quit bitching, all of you.  A program is shut down and everybody who protested or spoke out about them on the net can collectively pat themselves on the back.  There is a lot to be proud of here, and very little to bicker about.  Where's the next protest?

 :cheers:

Next protest?   Well, that's a secret. I can tell you it will probably either be in the state of Indiana, or Michigan.

It won't be in Ohio. :poison:

[psy]

Quit bitching, all of you.  A program is shut down and everybody who protested or spoke out about them on the net can collectively pat themselves on the back.  There is a lot to be proud of here, and very little to bicker about.  Where's the next protest?

 :cheers:

Next protest?   Well, that's a secret. I can tell you it will probably either be in the state of Indiana, or Michigan.

It won't be in Ohio. :poison:

Hee hee...  Keep the pressure on.  one down...

[Bandit73]

Reminds me of that song by Yes. "One down, 3 to go...Another town and one more show..."

[wdtony]

Reminds me of that song by Yes. "One down, 3 to go...Another town and one more show..."

LEAVE IT!

Yeah, remember the video? the whole band just stood there the whole time. And as the days passed, the video would change a little more. After a month, the video had completely changed. Wow, Mtv was cool in the early 80's.

Here's one of the versions here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZV8MPxxgkE

[Bandit73]

Yeah, remember the video? the whole band just stood there the whole time. And as the days passed, the video would change a little more. After a month, the video had completely changed. Wow, Mtv was cool in the early 80's.

Yes, and I remember how the band was upside-down!

That song was really popular when I was about 11!

[Anonymous]

I agree, the bickering should stop. I do not agree that the program is done 100% in Ohio. Closed for good? maybe, maybe not. It's certainly comatose right now. But, the harsh reality is that the kids who were in there are only an hour and a half's drive away, still being treated by the program. The lack of activity is a hollow victory. Besides, IF there were any protest worth having, it would have been at the first open meeting at Indy with the new arrivals. If not then, then the 2nd one. There's still time, the 3rd OM is about the last  best one to do. If you really want to make the biggest impact protesting, you should take advantage of once in a lifetime opportunities like that, or find someone who can. Anything's better than nothing in that regard.
Personally, I appreciate communication from all involved... above all else while continuing my efforts in this issue. Lack of it really sucks. I don't worry so much about who does what when as long as there's none of that keeping shit from other people shit. Example: Police video from July's protest. Video was posted that was already posted. The police part was what was requested yet denied. Oh well, whatever. That kind of shit bugs me pretty bad, lol, but it's chump change now. Besides, that was just one little example. I update people, call, email, write letters, post messages too... been there done that, still goin... lol. There is no set way to go about approaching this close the program issue per se, but when someone's standing on toes, and bragging about "nearly a year" on a misinformation laden website, whatever... well, I can see how some people, including myself, would take it in an insulting manner. I believe this line of work is a learning process. Whenever you stand there "KHK TORTURED ME"... and most people who saw that could care less. To the been there done that's, it appears not so much to be about the kids as it's about you. But, like I said earlier, there's no set way and you learn as you go. Consider this a lesson. And, if we learn from it, the program will have MUCH MORE TO FEAR!!!!! LOL... Got that Terri? Monica? Kevin? Betty?  :cheers:

[wdtony]

The lack of activity is not a hollow victory if you ask me. I wonder how many kids' parents didn't put them in KHK because they saw us protesting 15 TIMES in the last 11 months.

Yes, it is true that some kids got moved to INDY but how many kids never even went into KHK because of all of our efforts? The vacant building is a huge sign of success. You are surely not implying that protests and our writings are ineffective.

I understand the importance of being realistic but I think you are missing the positives here.

And for the last time, I had nothing to do with the "nearly a year" thing and it has reportedly been fixed.

As for the rest, I can see your points but I don't have time to dissect them and explain everything. If there is some kind of problem with someone not giving credit to someone else, I am probably at fault. I mean, you know who you are and what you've done. I really respect that stuff BIG-TIME but I am not going to blow sunshine up someone's ass.

And with all due respect, I think it is ironic to be told to stop bickering on Fornits. That's like trying to swim without getting wet. Oh well......back atcha, cheers!   :cheers:

[Anonymous]

I forgot, my bad...  :wall:  :moon:  ::unhappy::  ::poke::  ::deadhorse::  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :whip:  :sue:  The fornits meatgrinder, lol.

I'll be happy when they are gone from there for good. a new tune of sorts:


let there be torms for them and sun for us

we'll put their asses on a one way bus

Hollow is as Hollow does, the program is what the program was...

when it's gone said and done, we will know that we have won



LOL... whatever, just ignore this nonsense...  :beat:

[Deprogrammed]

Tony,
You stated that "emotion based behavior" is detrimental to closing programs or fighting them. I disagree whole heartedly, as it is my anger and outrage that kids are still hurting by the programs hands that always fuels me to continue.
Also, on another note, as for me personally I have never expected any glory from this and I don't think that the elders(meaning the ones that have actually been at this for years before you) of the fight against programs group want glory either. I think that all of us(not including you) want the abuse to stop and just don't want misinformation to keep getting out there, and particularly not from you. When you say to me "I don't like being interviewed, but repeatedly step in front of me with reporters, that says something different to me about you. When you blatently interrupt me when I am trying to get information out of a programmie, and I ask you to stop, and then you do it again within the next few sentences,  it also says to me something different about you. I heard you on the phone with that supposed survivor in khk's parking lot the other day quote the exact same line that was on that misinformation website that you and Angela obviously have orchestrated. That exact same line was "yeah we have been protesting khk for nearly a year now." You only corrected yourself to that guy, because I asked you to.
How am I or anyone supposed to think anything different about you, your motives....etc when you act like that? I just want to know how you expect any of us not to think what we have been thinking. Also, by the way here is a little excerpt from your last post: As for the rest, I can see your points but I don't have time to dissect them and explain everything. If there is some kind of problem with someone not giving credit to someone else, I am probably at fault. I mean, you know who you are and what you've done. I really respect that stuff BIG-TIME but I am not going to blow sunshine up someone's ass.
The point here being that you say in one breath that you respect us bigtime, but clearly you do not when you follow it up in the next breath with "I am not going to blow sunshine up someones ass". I have news for you Mr. Know-it-all (Primus), I don't want or need your sunshine I have my own, and so do the rest of the elders. I tried and tried to reach you politely, and nicely many times about this kind of thing. I was trying to help you so that this would not happen. But you will not listen to reason.
You already knew that you and I were finished the night we traveled back from Indiana, and if you didn't well, then that makes you blind. But, aside from that all anyone else ever wanted from you was the same respect that we have been giving you for "nearly a year" now. If you cannot handle respecting others then maybe you should just think on that for awhile.
sincerely,
-DP
P.S. PFC is not closed...KHK is not closed just switched locations....yes it is great that they are not five minutes from me anymore, but what I am really concerned with is those poor kids in there, and the fact that they are now once again uprooted from everything they have ever known, and made to deal with program bullshit again and again while under that same stress of being up-rooted.