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Wow, obama is going to win
psy:
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--- Quote from: "KathyS" --- Well there is some consequence if an educational Consultant isn’t totally open. But you are right anyone could set up shop and hang out a sign.
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The Ed-Conartist (Pun intended) faced no charges, criminal or civil from what I understand.
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Not quite true. She's being sued by at least one of her former clients (whom she referred to Focal Point Academy). Harbor Oaks is another lawsuit waiting to happen. I'm a big believer in the use of civil suits to help keep these clowns in check.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "KathyS" ---I could never give a full list of schools, but a few that come to mind are:
Wil Lou Gray
The Academy
The family foundation school
Fulshear ranch academy
Most of the Aspen schools and wilderness programs
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:cry: :cry:
Someone pull up the stats for these cultic-gulags, please?
Here's some basic info about family foundation. You are doing a great job, kathy S, of murdering young adults. How does it feel to look in the mirror and see a murderer staring back at you? Let me guess? You don't care. People of your sort simply don't.
http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/US/ ... school.htm
"My name is Brendan Burns. I live in North Hollywood CA my phone number is 818-809-7787 I took the following essay from what i wrote on the website cafety.org. I would like to empasise however that the use of duct tape to restrain teenagers was almost never used because anyone was a threat to themselves or someone else. It was almost always used when a child either wanted to be left alone and would not participate or if they were argumentative. I would also like to emphasize that this happened alot. Not just once or twice. Also for those of us who were there and saw what happened first hand. There is absoluely no question about wheather the kids were a danger to anyone. They were not. I have seen kids who were in isolation for a while refused food or given miniscule and bland amounts of food. Here is an honest simply put account of what it was like to be sent to the family school.
I attended The Family Foundation School in Hancock NY from 95 to 97 or 96 to 98(not sure which) I spent 14 months in the facility one of the record short stays at the time because there was an 18 month minimum though it was rare that they let anyone go in that short period of time. Upon arriving at the Family I was welcomed fairly warmly ( I soon realized this was only because my father was there) ... They took my cloths and replaced them with dorky ones. They also took any reading material I may have selected to bring with me and music. They put me with a buddy (a senior member (a person who had formed into the model)) he seemed bizarrely positive about the place when speaking to my dad. He emphatically emphasized how grateful he was that he came here and that it changed his life for the better. I said goodbye to my dad and he drove off.
They explained to me what I was not to talk about, that I was not to hum any music that was not approved by the ffs, not to read any newspapers, I was not allowed to use the telephone, they would read my mail, “so I better not say anything negative in my letters”. I was not allowed to be alone. I was not allowed to masturbate (they monitored the showers 3 minutes max with someone standing next to the shower and went with you to the bathroom). Basically all information coming into or out of my mind was to be dictated by and monitored by the FFS, and anything I did or said which indicated a lack of 100 percent compliance and belief in the FFS philosophy would be punished harshly.
In addition if I so much as suspected let alone overheard or witnessed anyone doing or saying anything "negative" I would be held equally responsible for their actions as if they were my own including witnessing someone else witnessing something and not saying anything about it, which I eventually realized created a race to tell on people. I mean you seriously could not get away with anything period. Something seemed awfully strange about this place. I asked questions and couldn't seem to get any answers. It was like talking to computers that were only programmed with certain responses. It didn't take long to realize everyone was brainwashed or pretending to be. Everyone was a brick wall.
I was freaked out. I actually believed that I was going to find a way out of this place. I thought I could get my parents to come get me or something but that was pretty difficult considering I had no way of contacting them at first and when I finally did get that privilege they explained any attempt at "manipulating” my parents by being negative about the program would immediately result in the call being ended and I would be on blackout where I couldn’t speak to anyone period especially my family.They had also already informed my parents that I may attempt to “manipulate” them and that it would be in my best interest not to succumb to my dishonest behavior. After all they were the experts. They knew exactly how to handle a troubled youth, and in the end I would be grateful for this experience.
I was labeled negative of course because I was by nature outspoken when I didn't agree and defiant when I didn't want to do something especially if I believed it was wrong. I tried to fight it but as one of the senior members said when I was trying to argue one night "he'll learn" and I did. I was not to speak my own opinion or indicate that I had one under any circumstances, unless it was in 100 percent agreement with the FFS philosophy. In fact the FFS philosophy was to be my opinion 100 percent of the time if I indicated or was even accused of anything less I was to be publicly confronted and screamed at. Then I would be told to sit in a corner. The Corner... you know like in preschool go sit in time out. The Corner was indefinite, with a minimum of 24 hours. If you did not stay in the corner or if you refused you would be duct taped to the chair or your feet would be duct taped together your arms would be duct taped to your back and you would be rolled in a blanket like a burrito and that would be wrapped in more duct tape then you would be put in isolation in duct tape which was actually a boot closet with some book shelves in it. When they decided it had been long enough they would let you out of the blanket then maybe isolation then from isolation back to the corner then you might be aloud out of the corner 24 hours later. It was pretty simple. Most of us, knowing what they would do if we did not comply, allowed ourselves to be subjected with whatever other humiliating and strange punishments they would think of.
If they told us to trot (which is where you have to trot any time you aren't sitting down) we trotted. If they stood us up at the table (which is where you stand up alone in front of everyone for any infraction of the rules) we stood up. If they asked a girl to recount her promiscuous sexual history …she would. And if they screamed at her telling her she was a whore and was destined to be dope shooting hooker(which seemed to be a popular opinion of the staff about most girls at the school)…. she listened… and agreed. If they took away our privilege to speak… we didn't speak. If they said sit in the corner ….we sat there. They had a pile of rocks which some kids would have to move back and forth all day from one spot to another which as tiring as it could be in itself could be worse if you were also on a trotting sanction.
They also had a large pile of cow manure for the same purpose. This seemed to be a particularly popular sanction for kids that were too fat. Fat kids were always determined to be lazy slobs who needed to exercise and work more. They were very open with degrading language and screaming they would also throw food at you while they were verbally berating you sometimes.
As time went on I learned to hate these kids who did not comply or moved too slow because they timed what we did in certain crews and they always seemed to make us lag behind and get us in trouble.
I remember one crew which had to be done in twenty minutes dish crew. It couldn't possibly be done that fast there was just no possibility of that happening 5 kids 80 peoples worth of pots pans dishes and all the surfaces and floors in the kitchen had to be perfect (and I mean that literally) perfectly clean a spot a streak dust anything left would be determined unclean we spent I don't know how long getting screamed at every day for not getting it done fast enough or not getting it clean enough, and trying to explain that it wasn't possible…. was not an option. We had to tell them they were right, that we would do better. Of course we wouldn't because we couldn't. All we could do was working our hardest and then let them yell at us and do all the extra sanctions they gave to us.
One kid decided it was impossible so he refused saying he just wasn't going to do it. He was supposed to be mopping the floor so they threw him on the ground and dumped mop water on him and used him to mop the floor until he agreed to mop the floor with the mop. The point was that he was going to mop the floor one way or another there was no way around it you were going to act say and become exactly what they wanted. and this is the way it was for us ….
we smiled when any outsiders were there acting like everything was perfect… assuring parents on tours this was the greatest place in the world …Seeing kids being duct taped up became as normal as kids in a regular school going to detention or getting write offs. I would step over squirming bodies on the floor in the dorm while talking and brushing my teeth like it was perfectly normal ….and it was at the time that’s just what happened if you didn't want to listen. It was there fault for being in the duct tape. I saw kids get punched and lifted 6 feet in the air and dropped on the ground while in these restraints. The one thing though that never seemed right was the newsletter they sent our parents. It never mentioned any of this. It always talked about the great things we were doing grades sports choir. ]They never told our parents the truth and for years after I left my parents were resistant to the truth. I told them about what really went on. After I left I felt like an alien visiting earth… everything I saw people say or do seemed wrong. I felt like I was constantly doing something wrong.. It literally took years before I got over what the family did to my emotions my mind my spirit and my personality. I was socially years behind people my own age. I had no idea how to handle the opposite sex considering for fourteen months I was monitored in the shower and the bathroom to prevent me from masturbating. Anyway I think this is enough to give an accurate picture of what the family school was like during the time I was there.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---
--- Quote from: "KathyS" ---I could never give a full list of schools, but a few that come to mind are:
Wil Lou Gray
The Academy
The family foundation school
Fulshear ranch academy
Most of the Aspen schools and wilderness programs
--- End quote ---
:cry: :cry:
Someone pull up the stats for these cultic-gulags, please?
Here's some basic info about family foundation. You are doing a great job, kathy S, of murdering young adults. How does it feel to look in the mirror and see a murderer staring back at you? Let me guess? You don't care. People of your sort simply don't.
http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/US/ ... school.htm
"My name is Brendan Burns. I live in North Hollywood CA my phone number is 818-809-7787 I took the following essay from what i wrote on the website cafety.org. I would like to empasise however that the use of duct tape to restrain teenagers was almost never used because anyone was a threat to themselves or someone else. It was almost always used when a child either wanted to be left alone and would not participate or if they were argumentative. I would also like to emphasize that this happened alot. Not just once or twice. Also for those of us who were there and saw what happened first hand. There is absoluely no question about wheather the kids were a danger to anyone. They were not. I have seen kids who were in isolation for a while refused food or given miniscule and bland amounts of food. Here is an honest simply put account of what it was like to be sent to the family school.
I attended The Family Foundation School in Hancock NY from 95 to 97 or 96 to 98(not sure which) I spent 14 months in the facility one of the record short stays at the time because there was an 18 month minimum though it was rare that they let anyone go in that short period of time. Upon arriving at the Family I was welcomed fairly warmly ( I soon realized this was only because my father was there) ... They took my cloths and replaced them with dorky ones. They also took any reading material I may have selected to bring with me and music. They put me with a buddy (a senior member (a person who had formed into the model)) he seemed bizarrely positive about the place when speaking to my dad. He emphatically emphasized how grateful he was that he came here and that it changed his life for the better. I said goodbye to my dad and he drove off.
They explained to me what I was not to talk about, that I was not to hum any music that was not approved by the ffs, not to read any newspapers, I was not allowed to use the telephone, they would read my mail, “so I better not say anything negative in my letters”. I was not allowed to be alone. I was not allowed to masturbate (they monitored the showers 3 minutes max with someone standing next to the shower and went with you to the bathroom). Basically all information coming into or out of my mind was to be dictated by and monitored by the FFS, and anything I did or said which indicated a lack of 100 percent compliance and belief in the FFS philosophy would be punished harshly.
In addition if I so much as suspected let alone overheard or witnessed anyone doing or saying anything "negative" I would be held equally responsible for their actions as if they were my own including witnessing someone else witnessing something and not saying anything about it, which I eventually realized created a race to tell on people. I mean you seriously could not get away with anything period. Something seemed awfully strange about this place. I asked questions and couldn't seem to get any answers. It was like talking to computers that were only programmed with certain responses. It didn't take long to realize everyone was brainwashed or pretending to be. Everyone was a brick wall.
I was freaked out. I actually believed that I was going to find a way out of this place. I thought I could get my parents to come get me or something but that was pretty difficult considering I had no way of contacting them at first and when I finally did get that privilege they explained any attempt at "manipulating” my parents by being negative about the program would immediately result in the call being ended and I would be on blackout where I couldn’t speak to anyone period especially my family.They had also already informed my parents that I may attempt to “manipulate” them and that it would be in my best interest not to succumb to my dishonest behavior. After all they were the experts. They knew exactly how to handle a troubled youth, and in the end I would be grateful for this experience.
I was labeled negative of course because I was by nature outspoken when I didn't agree and defiant when I didn't want to do something especially if I believed it was wrong. I tried to fight it but as one of the senior members said when I was trying to argue one night "he'll learn" and I did. I was not to speak my own opinion or indicate that I had one under any circumstances, unless it was in 100 percent agreement with the FFS philosophy. In fact the FFS philosophy was to be my opinion 100 percent of the time if I indicated or was even accused of anything less I was to be publicly confronted and screamed at. Then I would be told to sit in a corner. The Corner... you know like in preschool go sit in time out. The Corner was indefinite, with a minimum of 24 hours. If you did not stay in the corner or if you refused you would be duct taped to the chair or your feet would be duct taped together your arms would be duct taped to your back and you would be rolled in a blanket like a burrito and that would be wrapped in more duct tape then you would be put in isolation in duct tape which was actually a boot closet with some book shelves in it. When they decided it had been long enough they would let you out of the blanket then maybe isolation then from isolation back to the corner then you might be aloud out of the corner 24 hours later. It was pretty simple. Most of us, knowing what they would do if we did not comply, allowed ourselves to be subjected with whatever other humiliating and strange punishments they would think of.
If they told us to trot (which is where you have to trot any time you aren't sitting down) we trotted. If they stood us up at the table (which is where you stand up alone in front of everyone for any infraction of the rules) we stood up. If they asked a girl to recount her promiscuous sexual history …she would. And if they screamed at her telling her she was a whore and was destined to be dope shooting hooker(which seemed to be a popular opinion of the staff about most girls at the school)…. she listened… and agreed. If they took away our privilege to speak… we didn't speak. If they said sit in the corner ….we sat there. They had a pile of rocks which some kids would have to move back and forth all day from one spot to another which as tiring as it could be in itself could be worse if you were also on a trotting sanction.
They also had a large pile of cow manure for the same purpose. This seemed to be a particularly popular sanction for kids that were too fat. Fat kids were always determined to be lazy slobs who needed to exercise and work more. They were very open with degrading language and screaming they would also throw food at you while they were verbally berating you sometimes.
As time went on I learned to hate these kids who did not comply or moved too slow because they timed what we did in certain crews and they always seemed to make us lag behind and get us in trouble.
I remember one crew which had to be done in twenty minutes dish crew. It couldn't possibly be done that fast there was just no possibility of that happening 5 kids 80 peoples worth of pots pans dishes and all the surfaces and floors in the kitchen had to be perfect (and I mean that literally) perfectly clean a spot a streak dust anything left would be determined unclean we spent I don't know how long getting screamed at every day for not getting it done fast enough or not getting it clean enough, and trying to explain that it wasn't possible…. was not an option. We had to tell them they were right, that we would do better. Of course we wouldn't because we couldn't. All we could do was working our hardest and then let them yell at us and do all the extra sanctions they gave to us.
One kid decided it was impossible so he refused saying he just wasn't going to do it. He was supposed to be mopping the floor so they threw him on the ground and dumped mop water on him and used him to mop the floor until he agreed to mop the floor with the mop. The point was that he was going to mop the floor one way or another there was no way around it you were going to act say and become exactly what they wanted. and this is the way it was for us ….
we smiled when any outsiders were there acting like everything was perfect… assuring parents on tours this was the greatest place in the world …Seeing kids being duct taped up became as normal as kids in a regular school going to detention or getting write offs. I would step over squirming bodies on the floor in the dorm while talking and brushing my teeth like it was perfectly normal ….and it was at the time that’s just what happened if you didn't want to listen. It was there fault for being in the duct tape. I saw kids get punched and lifted 6 feet in the air and dropped on the ground while in these restraints. The one thing though that never seemed right was the newsletter they sent our parents. It never mentioned any of this. It always talked about the great things we were doing grades sports choir. ]They never told our parents the truth and for years after I left my parents were resistant to the truth. I told them about what really went on. After I left I felt like an alien visiting earth… everything I saw people say or do seemed wrong. I felt like I was constantly doing something wrong.. It literally took years before I got over what the family did to my emotions my mind my spirit and my personality. I was socially years behind people my own age. I had no idea how to handle the opposite sex considering for fourteen months I was monitored in the shower and the bathroom to prevent me from masturbating. Anyway I think this is enough to give an accurate picture of what the family school was like during the time I was there.
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Oh, come on, I wasnt born yesterday. First of all your link did not take me to any news article. It took me to a web site called “secret prisons for teens” where they call the kids detainees. So right off the bat we have a website which is inaccurate and not reputable. I am not aware of any school which calls its students detainees or detained kids. So it is apparent that the owner of that site (at most) might have had a friend or relative who attended this school but has no idea what the school is all about based on the vocabulary used so I am not sure how anyone who has could believe any of what is written there.
The choice of the website name alone shows it is a lampoon site and not credible. Why would you believe this stuff to be fact? Show me where Family foundation school refers to their students as detainees or detained kids. You are very guillible my friend.
Anonymous:
TheWho is KathyS
Anonymous:
Yes. The school does not refer to its detainees as detainees it uses the euphanism "student." SPFT uses the english term that appropriately descibes the captives situation, not the Orwellian newspeak that you, and FFS, as a cult and dealer in human bodies respectively prefer.
SPFT links to "articles" and sworned testimony before congree
Here is testimony of the same before congress
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr47O5OjC_A
http://www.nospank.net/szlvtz7.htm
http://www.newpaltz.edu/oracle/article.cfm?id=3317
http://cafety.youthrights.org/wiki/inde ... my_Johnson
http://www.isaccorp.org/thayer/maia-sza ... 04.08.html
As an edcon who is seeminly unaware of this, you are not doing a great job of keeping educated about the private prisons you "research" and refer to. What is your name and where is your site? I mean, reputable professionals don't keep their identity hidden to prevent inquiry into their "sucess" level. Do you?
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