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Wow, obama is going to win
Anonymous:
My response sounds like I am mad, but I am not. Its just the way it came out. Its so hard to express temper or not express it on these boards. I guess that is what those emotion smiles are for.
--- Quote from: "psy" ---If it's really that much of a big deal to you, I can call up Shelby Earnshaw and work with her to get FFS on their watchlist. Jon's testimony and another sworn statement corroborating it might be enough to do the trick (I'd have to check with Shelby and see what the deal is with that)
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No, not a big deal. But if they maintain a watch list then those places which are not on it would indicate they are safe regardless of their feelings about the industry. Isaccorp agrees with us on this place. If FFS was added then we would disagree on it.
--- Quote ---Or into danger. You already admitted that it's impossible for a parent to know if an educational consultant is taking referral fees (kickbacks).
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Unless they ask or the agency tells them. Almost every parent that I end up speaking to asks me what is in it for me. Ifyou are in business even if it is non profit the people are getting paid.
--- Quote ---Maybe they can get some of the bail out money.
I thought you were opposed to such goverment interference or aid? I mean... you start out on the thread talking about accountability and responsibility, yet you want government welfare for programs? All hail the nanny state! (where it's convenient)
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Sorry, I was joking. Seems everyone has their hand out for a piece. I heard the govt is even considering bailing out the porn industry.
--- Quote --- But that's precisely what you did with Marcy. Need we go over that again. You sent her to a few select websites (with a referral code!), attempted to scare her off fornits by implying her identity was not secure, and invited her to an "open discussion" group which, you've demonstrated is not really that open at all. You also admitted that you do not refer to ISACcorp because they have schools on their watchlist that you refer to.
I encourage parents to do their own research, but I do not refer them to specific sites. Is no me job. It's your job. What you're paid for. I'm not paid at all, and in order for parents to trust me, I can't be sending them to specific commercial (not purely informational) sites. I could be getting paid for such referrals. How would a parent know?
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Sure you can. There are no sites (or very few) which are commercial free, fornits has book commercials and anti program themed items to purchase. Isaccorp has their commercials and items they push. Parents just don’t know, so you are right. Suppose Aspen people hired writers to write anti-wwasp survivor stories on fornits to discredit them or vice versa. How do the parents know if the posters on fornits are not being paid? We don’t. You need to just be fair and give parents information from both sides to help them make an informed decision. I wouldnt worry if they think you are getting paid or not.
--- Quote ---If you want to create a pro-industry site that is purely informational, advertises for no programs, and refers to no ed-cons. I'll refer parents there to see the "other side". Until then, I give them my "anti-sales-pitch" and encourage them to research the other side for themselves (which they, in my experience, have already seen).
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But you think it is okay that fornits advertises? Do you think that maybe the book lists are filtered to insure an anti program bias before they can be part of fornits ads? Would fornits advertise books like “Second Home: Life in a boarding school” or “Shouting at the sky”? or “Teens in Turmoil”? What you meant to say was “Anti-program-sales pitch” (not “anti-sales-pitch”)
--- Quote ---There are all sorts of issues besides just that one as to why I don't refer parents to pro-industry sites. There are legal liability issues, for instance, such as under the lanham act, where I could be sued for unfair competition (criticising one school while referring to a competitor or competing service).
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Poppycock, There are no legal problems in referring parents to other web sites for information. Unless you are expecting to get paid for your services. If someone asked you for a nice place to get a cup of coffee (but you were a tea drinker), would you be afraid to recommend a few places for fear of getting sued if they burned themselves or received poor service? Could Starbucks come after you if you omitted them from your top 5 list? I have read here long enough to know that the rules don’t always apply both ways. I am not saying that this is your fault, Michael, it is just the culture that has been developed here.
You jumped on me when I said I didn’t refer parents to isaccorp, but you skirt the idea of being fair yourself and talk in circles when I ask you the same question to you, why? Its okay to say you just want parents to hear the negative side of the industry and keep all the positive aspects hidden because you don’t believe the industry helps people.
I suspect that you sell parents short. In my experience if they believe you are being honest with them and you supply them with honest information then they will make the right decision for their family. Most are smart and can sense when they are being had. There is no need to deceive them or withhold information anyway because this is deceptive and only hurts everyone in the long run.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "KathyS" ---Poppycock
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This is a word someone only uses if they are trying to sound like someone else. KathyS is theWho.
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: "KathyS" ---Poppycock
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This is a word someone only uses if they are trying to sound like someone else. KathyS is theWho.
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Oh for fuck's sake! Just stop it right now. Not every boogeyman is The Who.
Anonymous:
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I guess it would be too much to ask you to list the schools that your company has on their DNR list? If you don't ask, you never know!
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Miss Antsy Pam, I know it wasn’t you and didn’t mean to imply that. I have one of those troll thingies hanging on me. I don’t refer to the places he/she is mentioning. At least they are not on my list. I know that I cannot reveal the names of the schools, but I can tell you the types of things we put schools and programs on the list for
But Just pulling up a few on the screen jogs my memory.
1) Not returning money due parents whose child was removed from a school for medical reasons.
2) Program misled agency. Audit findings: Program therapist was not licensed, nor had a background consistent with what was needed to work with children. There was a doctor who prescribed medications but had no mental health training. Had several law suits pending and was working with an expired out of state license.
12R/Academy
3) Program sued 2 of our parents for breach of contract for pulling children out of school. Children needed immediate medical treatment outside the realm of what the school could provide and advertised as such. We intervened on their behalf and were able to get the school to compensate for their loss and then the school sued us.
4) One place required some unethical practice before we received a commission. I never received the details on this one.
5) Academy. An all girls program insured us that they perform cory checks on all employees, but when we got there they had no records. They had unauthorized males walking freely on the premises and the girls had very minimal privacy. We were given a tour of the facility and living quarters, there was 1 male on our audit team and the person giving the tour entered various dorm rooms (in use) and one shower area (in use) unannounced without knocking. It was clear that the girls were not given time to prepare or dress properly. The person giving the tour seemed annoyed with my questions, didn’t know who the males were in the hallway and suggest we submit any further questions in writing. Their program initially seemed solid but the ones insuring us of this were off site when we got there and we never met them. We never referred to them, this was the initial visit. They did respond with a letter of apology and terminated the person giving the tour. They are not open anymore and we reported all the findings to the authorities.
6BT/School
6) 3 programs engaged in unethical payment structuring.
7)Misc: Several programs had poor post graduation follow-up interviews. 2 students lost a considerable amount of weight which was never documented by the program. One child had 2 teeth removed without the parents consent. One child had stitches in their scalp but no documentation of a doctors visit, but the parents were invoiced $700 for medical procedure and transportation costs. 4 children were forced to eat pork. 1 child had extreme dental decay. 3 children exhibited self inflicted wounds on their legs and or arms. 7 children who were on the wrong medication. 1 child will only sleep in a dirty basement of the house. 1 child with an incarcerated hernia which required immediate hospitalization and surgery. One child suffering from extreme depression and required in-patient evaluation. 3 attempted suicides( under the age of 16). 17 children ran away post graduation. 5 children reported chronic truancy. 12 families experienced divorce with child living with relatives. 47 parents invoiced for damages to dorm rooms and common areas.etc.
All of our information is reported to the local authorities, board of education, DSS or equivalent etc. and various other agencies. We share this information with other referral agencies also. But I don’t think it is something we can legally make public. Most of the info is old, places shut down or problems have been resolved.
We don’t give second chances (or reaudits) to the problem schools unless there has been a total change in management and staff otherwise how can you trust them to do what they say they do, on paper, after we leave. It is very rare to take someone off the list. Our success is heavily based on trust because we cannot be with the child during their stay there and we know we are responsible for the child and their family.
Oh my,after reading all of this again I have some second thoughts about how we do things, although I do support the good work we do, I think we could do things a little differently. I wish we could have prevented more of this from happening instead of reacting to it. I didn’t realize there was so much, makes me think a little I admit, there is more but I don’t want to think about it right now. We have pages and pages of testimonies from kids who are better off because of our placements. Much more than the kids and families I listed above and none of what I listed will reoccur because we don’t send kids to them anymore.
Froderik:
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--- Quote from: "KathyS" ---Poppycock
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This is a word someone only uses if they are trying to sound like someone else. KathyS is theWho.
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Oh for fuck's sake! Just stop it right now. Not every boogeyman is The Who.
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And after all, does it really fuckin' matter if it is thewho or just some other operative? No, I think not. :birthday:
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