The Who offers to auction off his account for fornits!

[Ursus]

TheWho does serve one purpose, a reminder that as fucked up as my own parents were, at least they are not so pathetic to troll an abuse forum, mocking the death of children initiated by their parents. If thewho really is a parent, I weep for his daughter.

Oh No!!, we are all posting on an abuse forum Ha,Ha,Ha.  Someone should notify the rest.  Thought this was an "open forum" about the Troubled Teen Industry.  We think you must be lost.

Another thoughtful reminder of how grateful I should be that my parents, for all their faults, at least have better things to do than troll an abuse forum. I thank you God for that, because if my parents acted like this, I would have to shoot myself.

Tragic thought that, no? A kid in those shoes--whose parent buys into the program so strongly, and invests so much energy into that--probably could never tell that parent just what program was really like...

And who knows what really happened, maybe something did; maybe Rudy Bentz just couldn't help himself from reenacting that old Bentz witchcraft, that crap he is so infamous for.

What's that kid gonna do?

[Anonymous]

And again, simply put: there is no evidence that any of that ever happened.  This is not a program where a person is punished for rumor, heresay and/or speculation...  regardless of who he or she is, what he or she has said, or what his or her opinions are.

The problem with that is, people saw the post, and so every time you repeat this, you are lying. Before I wasn't so sure it's intentional, but seeing how you just fibbed about admins not threatening posters, I suspect at this point you think lying is an acceptable compromise in keeping the appearance of forum integrity intact. Like you said, if posters do not trust this forum is safe to post on anonymously, they wont, and they haven't been... for good reason.

[Anonymous]

@reality check: I thought that was Milk in the chat box.

Nah, it was a program survivor.
 :jerry:

[Anonymous]

Tragic thought that, no? A kid in those shoes--whose parent buys into the program so strongly, and invests so much energy into that--probably could never tell that parent just what program was really like...

And who knows what really happened, maybe something did; maybe Rudy Bentz just couldn't help himself from reenacting that old Bentz witchcraft, that crap he is so infamous for.

What's that kid gonna do?

I would bet the farm if Who actually has a kid that went through a program, he keeps his fornits posting secret from them. Wouldn't want her coming on and telling everybody he is full of shit, and she was emotionally or physically molested in the program. The sad part about Who is, he knows very well the tragic and life altering abuse that occurs in programs. He reads fornits all day long, he reads the results of what happens to those who went through programs. He reads in detail about the program murders and abuse, PTSD, nightmares, and suicides. He is not your average ignorant parent who doesn't know. He knows full well, and not only promotes these tragedies to continue, but mocks the people who have lived through them. I can't not even begin to imagine the sort of shame I would feel if my parent acted in this way. At the very least my parent had the decency to say 'if I knew it was like that I wouldn't have done it', and believe me. Most pro program parents who post leave after a short time, because after they read of the extent of abuse from those who experienced it, they realize they were wrong about programs being a safe place. This guy is a saidst, someone who takes pleasure in trolling abuse victims, and makes a special point to comment in threads discussing the murder or death of a child in program. He is a sick person, who has no qualms with using the worst stories of abuse to re-hurt the people who lived through them. This goes way beyond your average program parent, reading his posts makes me sad for humanity. But it's not up to me to judge him, that will happen after he passes away, during his life review, when he will get the chance to see how his actions effect others, and feel the hurt he spreads around this universe. He eminates negative energy, and you can't just turn that off, and people can sense this on a subconcious level. If I were admin I'd rename him "TheBlackHole", because that's all that's left of the soul god gave him.

[Froderik]

TheWho does serve one purpose, a reminder that as fucked up as my own parents were, at least they are not so pathetic to troll an abuse forum, mocking the death of children initiated by their parents. If thewho really is a parent, I weep for his daughter.

Awwww, so your parents finally called you on all your BS and you blew off your one final chance and now they are the bad guys… BooHooHooo. “Oh, I am innocent and never did anything wrong, please you must believe me, my parents are the evil ones”
You haven’t changed much.  You still cant take any personal responsibility.  You may not be but your family is much better off, believe me someone benefitted from you stay.

If you sincerely mean this, I wouldn't have much of a problem with you being lynched in public. It's posts like this one that should just be deleted, as they are just bullshit at best.

[Froderik]

Sue Sceff, Steve Laird,Rudy or Jill Bentz, or that lovely Cedu enthusiast Annie Hall is in the forest

I'd like to see what some of these shitbags look like (aside from Sue; we already know)...a picture's worth 1000 words.

[Guest]

TheWho does serve one purpose, a reminder that as fucked up as my own parents were, at least they are not so pathetic to troll an abuse forum, mocking the death of children initiated by their parents. If thewho really is a parent, I weep for his daughter.

Awwww, so your parents finally called you on all your BS and you blew off your one final chance and now they are the bad guys… BooHooHooo. “Oh, I am innocent and never did anything wrong, please you must believe me, my parents are the evil ones”
You haven’t changed much.  You still cant take any personal responsibility.  You may not be but your family is much better off, believe me someone benefitted from you stay.

Ha,Ha,Ha  I am going to miss this place.  Cant wait to hear it though "Oh, no someone disrespected a survivor"  it must be Sue S. thewho or Diane Keaton.  They are the only ones who would do something like that.  Everyone else respects us.
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Ha, Ha, Ha!
 Not everyone "respects" youth who were abducted, imprisoned and tortured by Steve Laird, Rudy & Jill Bentz, Tim Brace, Mel Wasserman, at Cedu, Boulder Creek, Academy at Swift river, Carlbrook, etc.

But, very, very few endlessly tell these youth, on a message board these youth set up to resolve their trauma, that they received "therapy" while held captive by these cultic organizations because they were "at fault," and how bad they are today because  they continue to refuse to "accept that they are at fault."


Very, very few would state that even if the youth were disabled by their "therapy" Ha, ha, ‘cause their parents didn't have to deal with their bad, bad selves for the years they were held captive.

That takes a child-abusing, cult co-opted nut-case. And while those forementioned, are certainly not the only child-abusing, cult co-opted nut-cases, they are among the few that do so publicly.


The rest hide in anonymity like YOU, "parent" who claims witness to Dave Marcus observation of the Academy at Swift River, and has posted here 50xs a day for 4 years, repeating nonsense over and over, refusing to give your name, laughing at testimony of torture, mentioning "your friend’s" involvement with Werner Erhard, and that dead kids are great "data-points" that "we" use to improve programs.

(As a sock-puppet attempting to distract from their crimes, I know it irks you if I invoke names. You like their crimes remaining sub-google, that’s why you refuse to EVEN name a decent “program”—don’t like the attention that generate for said program)



Most hide in anonymity like you, "parent" who was present the entire time Dave MArcus was writing his books about the Academy at Swift River, and has posted here 50xs a day for 4 years, repeating nonsense over and over, refusing to give your name, laughing at kid's testimony of suffering, mentioning "your freind's" involvent with Werner Erhard, and how dead kids are great "data-points" that "we" use to make programs better.
That takes a nut who supports thought coersion

[Froderik]

And again, simply put: there is no evidence that any of that ever happened.  This is not a program where a person is punished for rumor, heresay and/or speculation...  regardless of who he or she is, what he or she has said, or what his or her opinions are.

The problem with that is, people saw the post, and so every time you repeat this, you are lying. Before I wasn't so sure it's intentional, but seeing how you just fibbed about admins not threatening posters, I suspect at this point you think lying is an acceptable compromise in keeping the appearance of forum integrity intact. Like you said, if posters do not trust this forum is safe to post on anonymously, they wont, and they haven't been... for good reason.

I wish TheWho would stop trusting this forum and hence stop posting.

What a fucking waste this dialogue is.

[Anonymous]

That wasn't theWho. That was me, the person who quoted zen's post that outed CCM that started that whole drama. The person who believes with all my heart the only way kids are going to prevent themselves from becoming abuse victims is to stand up and fight their oppressors like the kids who used a frying pan to subdue the staff, and take their car to freedom. Banned, silenced, threatened with police and mocked for having this view, but that will not keep me from expressing it.

[Froderik]

I hear you, but those were intended as two separate statements; my bad.

But yes, otoh, I do think it is pointless to belabor that whole Zen / CCM deal further.

[Anonymous]

I totally agree! it's been rehashed and rehashed again. It's just annoying to have an admin of a site state an outright lie, and then claim they are upholding the integrity of this website. I quoted the post, and removed the information to be respectful to CCM, hoping zen would later delete it and since i was posting as guest without the ability to edit, I didn't want to leave that information up forever, hence the XXX's in the post. As far as that drama is concerned, I know what happened, and it's old news to me. But now psy is claiming you can't believe CCM, or any other survivor because he knew a girl in becnhmark that lied? That's just plain absurd, I believe program survivors over parents any day of the week!

He is also lying about admins not threatening posters. He threatened to call the cops on me, then banned me, then laughed about it how I was shaking in my boots waiting for the cops to arrive. All for saying kids need to rise up and fight for their right to not be abused and brainwashed. Now I've seen much worse threats posted on fornits, but the cops were never called on them. I didn't even threaten anyone, I just made a very generic statement. How can people be expected to trust an admin who does things like this? He finds it funny to create fear in a poster who believes the cops are about to knock on the door, and then thinks he can claim fornits is a safe place to post anonymously and that admins never threaten anyone?

Anyone else here smoke tbpitw? Well you better not say the wrong thing to the wrong person, otherwise they will threaten to use your IP to call the cops on you, and then you can end up in an adult program for drug abuse, all thanks to fornits! ABSURD.

[Guest]

I totally agree! it's been rehashed and rehashed again. It's just annoying to have an admin of a site state an outright lie, and then claim they are upholding the integrity of this website. I quoted the post, and removed the information to be respectful to CCM, hoping zen would later delete it and since i was posting as guest without the ability to edit, I didn't want to leave that information up forever, hence the XXX's in the post. As far as that drama is concerned, I know what happened, and it's old news to me. But now psy is claiming you can't believe CCM, or any other survivor because he knew a girl in becnhmark that lied? That's just plain absurd, I believe program survivors over parents any day of the week!

He is also lying about admins not threatening posters. He threatened to call the cops on me, then banned me, then laughed about it how I was shaking in my boots waiting for the cops to arrive. All for saying kids need to rise up and fight for their right to not be abused and brainwashed. Now I've seen much worse threats posted on fornits, but the cops were never called on them. I didn't even threaten anyone, I just made a very generic statement. How can people be expected to trust an admin who does things like this? He finds it funny to create fear in a poster who believes the cops are about to knock on the door, and then thinks he can claim fornits is a safe place to post anonymously and that admins never threaten anyone?

Anyone else here smoke tbpitw? Well you better not say the wrong thing to the wrong person, otherwise they will threaten to use your IP to call the cops on you, and then you can end up in an adult program for drug abuse, all thanks to fornits! ABSURD.

^^^ i'd guess that's thewho. You work against yourselves, trolls.

[TheWho]

Ha, Ha, Ha!
 Not everyone "respects" youth who were abducted, imprisoned and tortured by Steve Laird, Rudy & Jill Bentz, Tim Brace, Mel Wasserman, at Cedu, Boulder Creek, Academy at Swift river, Carlbrook, etc.

But, very, very few endlessly tell these youth, on a message board these youth set up to resolve their trauma, that they received "therapy" while held captive by these cultic organizations because they were "at fault," and how bad they are today because  they continue to refuse to "accept that they are at fault."


Very, very few would state that even if the youth were disabled by their "therapy" Ha, ha, ‘cause their parents didn't have to deal with their bad, bad selves for the years they were held captive.

That takes a child-abusing, cult co-opted nut-case. And while those forementioned, are certainly not the only child-abusing, cult co-opted nut-cases, they are among the few that do so publicly.


The rest hide in anonymity like YOU, "parent" who claims witness to Dave Marcus observation of the Academy at Swift River, and has posted here 50xs a day for 4 years, repeating nonsense over and over, refusing to give your name, laughing at testimony of torture, mentioning "your friend’s" involvement with Werner Erhard, and that dead kids are great "data-points" that "we" use to improve programs.

(As a sock-puppet attempting to distract from their crimes, I know it irks you if I invoke names. You like their crimes remaining sub-google, that’s why you refuse to EVEN name a decent “program”—don’t like the attention that generate for said program)



Most hide in anonymity like you, "parent" who was present the entire time Dave MArcus was writing his books about the Academy at Swift River, and has posted here 50xs a day for 4 years, repeating nonsense over and over, refusing to give your name, laughing at kid's testimony of suffering, mentioning "your freind's" involvent with Werner Erhard, and how dead kids are great "data-points" that "we" use to make programs better.
That takes a nut who supports thought coersion

ADS, ADA, LDS, DAS, SDL, ASD etc.I find it hard to believe you can come on to a board like fornits bitching about being placed in a program and blaming your parents after placing them and your whole family at risk.  There were young kids in the house and you were carelessly exposing them to your hepB, which you contracted carelessly.  You were not attending school or following any of the house rules and exposing the younger kids to your careless lifestyle.  Do you think it is a requirement for your parents to keep dragging the rest of the family down to police station after policestation at 3 in the morning to bail your loser ass out of jail... 10...15....50 miles away?

How can you expect to get any sympathy or have any of us believe your parents had any other choice.  You should really reconsider your belly aching and finger pointing and start getting control and taking responsibility of your own life.



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[Anonymous]

^^^ i'd guess that's thewho. You work against yourselves, trolls.

You would be wrong, but assume what you need to.   Everything I've said is true and accurate, and I can live with myself knowing that.

[Anonymous]

How can people be expected to trust an admin who does things like this? He finds it funny to create fear in a poster who believes the cops are about to knock on the door, and then thinks he can claim fornits is a safe place to post anonymously and that admins never threaten anyone?

At best, you can attribute it to his learning curve. Problem is, he doesn't learn from his mistakes. He still takes the liberty to speak for others when he doesn't know shit about shit. He still has something to prove to Programs, that he's better than them- ensuring that their comments and outings of survivors are protected under free speech, but censoring, blackmailing, threatening survivors.