The Who offers to auction off his account for fornits!

[Froderik]

Just because Struggling 'Tards censors doesn't mean fornits shouldn't censor on occasion, too. That logic is severly flawed (I guess we should all stop shitting too since people who post on ST must have to shit now and then.) There are times when it is right to delete things. Like when someone kept posting pics of Zen's daughter, like 95% of what TheWho posts, etc. Whenever this comes up, I hear the same old argument about 'how do we decide, how would we make it fair?' Fuck that. Life isn't perfect, and neither is this site. What do you do? MAKE AN EFFORT AND BE A VERTEBRATE ONCE IN A WHILE, that's what you do! You don't have time? FINE...let an admin who ~does have time take care of it!

I know I'm probably pissing in the wind here, though...can't teach an old dog new tricks... *sigh*

Yep, pissin in the wind. Program had rules = all rules are bad. The social experiment continues. Chaos rules.
You've been here a while. Do you ever remember this kind of bullshit pre-Psy, Che?

Sure. Conversation consisting of 'programs are good vs programs are bad' discussed by program survivors and staunch believers in said programs is a breeding ground for all sorts of bullshit. Couple this with admins who take an extremist stance on moderation (yes, pre-Psy & Che), as in little or NO moderation, then you have people like TheWho posting the same lies over and over again with no intervention, people posting people's personal info on the site, direct death threats, and a myriad of other troubling shit to contend with.

[Anonymous]

Zen has resigned as PV forum moderator.  I've made act.da the moderator instead.

Bullshit.  I said I would resign if you were going to let people like Christ boy and CCM call the shots.

Actually, you said "Take me off the mod status for PV, if CCM calls the shots I want no part of this shit."

I took that as "ccm calls the shots.  I resign" not "if ccm calls the shots, i'll resign". [/quote]

Psy goes off half-cocked again. What a crock of shit lame excuse. If it's true.... Could we get a competent judge in here?  

CCM does not call the shots, nor does anybody else 'cept Ginger, ultimately, but there is a concern when actual survivors (not just CCM) are concerned with the perception that you're a somehow a loose cannon who might go after them.
It's not to concede anything or give in to demands, but rather to calm the situation and the fears others might have (however unfounded).

An apology? Is that what it takes to dispell fear? Were not in grade school here. An apology is admitting guilt. Guilt that hasn't been proven. What would stop it from happening again? An Apology? Post the facts, let them speak for themselves. If there are no Facts (do you know what that means?) then wipe the slate clean and warn the moderator that they'll be de-modded if they c/p info about someone they found on another public venue. Is that what the new "rule" is? Can we get a list of these unspoken rules? One day there are none- open free-for-all, fin-for-yourself, Next day Psy is oiling a squeeky wheels and making shit up as he goes, based on how righteous he feels that day. And why does Fornits have moderators anyway? I thought they were all banned after Che's jihad on the site. What is their role? What are they allowed to do? Why are they necessary?

And where is the harm? If the alleged post ever even existed, it is gone and only, apparently 3 people claim to have seen it. That's a hell of a lot better than what has happened to other survivors whose personal info remains posted by staff or trolls. Why does CCM get preferential treatment? Is this what you call fair? Why not take down Z's daughter's info? What's fair about that? Any less damning than CCMs info which was alleged to have been c/p from another public venue?

And Z, what evidence do you have to support the assumption that PV posted her stuff?  Believe what makes you feel better, but I wouldn't buy that without concrete evidence. Watch your back and hopefully you've learned not to share any private or personal info with anyone here.

[ZenAgent]

And Z, what evidence do you have to support the assumption that PV posted her stuff?  Believe what makes you feel better, but I wouldn't buy that without concrete evidence. Watch your back and hopefully you've learned not to share any private or personal info with anyone here.

Not much, Judge.  Only one posting set off the air horns.  Without giving too much away, there was something in a more recent attack on our daughter that only someone local could have known, which is why my girl is packin' pepper spray.   As far as the rest?  Trolls is trolls, they do their binnis for kicks, cash or LULZ.  My family did the trial by fire thing - it sucked.  They put up pictures of our daughter, her address and sick insults not out of malice toward her but to really get me, since I'm protective of her, especially post-program.

As I told Che Gookin recently, It's caustic and painful when it first happens but then your hide toughens.  Trolls are part of the open forum experience.  Still hate them, though.

Speaking of Che  - where are you, homes?  I announced our bid for the Presidency on Facebook.  Our platform is the scaffold.

[psy]

Psy goes off half-cocked again. What a crock of shit lame excuse. If it's true.... Could we get a competent judge in here?

By all means.  From this point on, i'm deferring all judgment on the subject to Ginger.  Good luck getting the Supreme Fornits Court to hear your appeal.

[Anonymous]

As I told Che Gookin recently, It's caustic and painful when it first happens but then your hide toughens.  Trolls are part of the open forum experience.  Still hate them, though.

Yeh, he prefers the hard truth and lesson that toughen the hide.
Sorry your family was attacked and your dd now must carry pepper spray with her. Living in fear doesn't toughen the hide, unfortunately.

[ZenAgent]

As I told Che Gookin recently, It's caustic and painful when it first happens but then your hide toughens.  Trolls are part of the open forum experience.  Still hate them, though.

Sorry your family was attacked and your dd now must carry pepper spray with her. Living in fear doesn't toughen the hide, unfortunately.

No,  my step daughter and my wife suffer PTSD - My daughter has nightmares of being taken back to PV (Which seems to be a common nightmare amongst program survivors, regardless of age) and my wife becomes physically ill when there's too much discussion of PV.  Still - that pepper spray has to give some security, and I'm sure she would have loved to have it at PV.

[Anonymous]

HI. I'm the original "ASD,"  who said they'd give blood to this site, who Psy thought was imitating the "god" anon.

I haven't posted since the god poster set Psy straight about my identity. Thank you, god.Otherwise I'd have had to prove "who i am" which would defeat the point of posting anon.I post anonymously, but am not a troll. I stay anon to avoid what happened to ccm happening to me.

On that topic: Z.A. has lied all this time about there "never being a post." Psy has  repeated this lie (mistakenly, I hope) at the expense of this site, up until now.

In the post that Z.A. deleted, and then denied existence of, all of CCMs info was up. I know that because I saw it. In the screensave someone put up he wrote "only the who and I saw it"...but, no...it was on this publicly viewable forum, after all.

In the same way he Z.A. lied about their "never being a post," he's lying about what he had in it. That's more than obvious, at this point.

It's retarded that this is  being discussed, but it's even more retarded that a parent who abuses a survivor is moderator here.

No moderator- parent mod, no less, should sniff out a survivor's info, use it to threaten and humiliate them. How would you like knowing your personal, private details of your life were accessable here,  because of a moderator, for no reason?

 Make Act Da. in charge of that forum instead. People should be able to come here with an expectation of not being victimized by the people who run this site. It would make me less queasy about posting here, and sending people here, personally.

p.s. I just came out of surgery, so if I sound woozy...

[Anonymous]

Post evidence I did what you say - you can't, you never even saw the post.  Only the Who and I saw it, and look at the mess your troll pal cooked up with the shit he created.

Put up the link to the original post, with what I said.

I'm not "sad but trudy", but I have to respond to this part since it is me being accused of "making shit up". I saw the post before it was edited, and that's why I was able to use by browser history by clicking on the back button to find it again after it was edited. When you are browsing history using your back button, and then click on a quote button in the forum, it reloads a new reply page. If the quote has been edited since you first starting viewing, it will only show the newest version of the quote on your new reply page.  My only option was to copy and paste the quote, and I decided to remove CCM's and her husband's name, city and state since I was posting as guest I knew I wasn't going to be able to edit it out later.

I wanted other survivors to know what type of tactic that was used by this moderator, which was blackmail, or "extortion" as Zen referred to it in that very post. It goes to whether you can trust this forum or not. It looks bad when moderators use a survivor's personal information to win points in a flamewar with TheWho.

Zen brings up his daughter being outed. I am equally outraged about that, which was just as damaging and messed up as the first outing in that thread. To accuse survivors of it is wrong though, since we know who posted her picture. To accuse survivors of posting his address, is obviously off base, since only people that know his personal information could reveal it, which I doubt he was handing out to anonymous fornits posters such as myself or "sad but trudy".

I'm tired of this topic, but I will have no problem stating what I know to be true, and what I saw. I'm not just going to sit by and say nothing when people call CCM a liar based on lies. Survivors posting in the future will be suspect of whether it's in their interest to reveal personal information, or any information at all on this forum. But, whatever, I just wanted to address this portion that refers to my guest post as "moderate." Hopefully this helps clear some more shit up.

Thank you!!! EXACTLY!!

[Anonymous]

I'm If I was your wife, I'd be like WTF is your obsession with this CCM girl???

My wife is well aware of who you are - you insulted her, too.  We share a mutual loathing for you.

Who the fuck are you really? Sorry, I can't help but be suspicious! I don't think someone whose step-daughter went through all this crap, as you say she did, would out someone like me.

Two months ago I spoke at the Georgetown Institute Systems of Care presentation to a group of mental health pros about the rampant abuse at Peninsula Village and the TTI in general.  That included what you went through, CCM.  What have you done?

I can't begin to describe how upsetting it is to witness the deluded, ugly vanity of a program parent belittling a program survivor for not equaling his program-fighting heroism

[Anonymous]

And where is the harm? If the alleged post ever even existed, it is gone and only, apparently 3 people claim to have seen it. That's a hell of a lot better than what has happened to other survivors whose personal info remains posted by staff or trolls.

.

The idea is: we don't want people who personally abuse survivors running this site! We don't know how ZA got her info, and we can't expect the truth out of him about that. And, babe, everyone has their info on the net, somewhere...Sure that your's is, too.

 NO MOD OR ADMINISTRATOR has the right to link that name and the info you can get from it  with a user name, for kicks, for a personal petty flame-war..it's NUTS!

The "harm" is the humiliation and fear generated by having your personal id sought, and found out by some moderator, which is then used to embarrass, threaten, control and dominate. The "harm" is in being afraid to post the most loosely identifying personal info. Would you like me finding out who you are? The harm is the invasion of privacy..I'm not sure why you think that's o.k.? End Rant.

[Anonymous]

Who the fuck are you really? Sorry, I can't help but be suspicious! I don't think someone whose step-daughter went through all this crap, as you say she did, would out someone like me.

Two months ago I spoke at the Georgetown Institute Systems of Care presentation to a group of mental health pros about the rampant abuse at Peninsula Village and the TTI in general.  That included what you went through, CCM.  What have you done?

I can't begin to describe how upsetting it is to witness the deluded, ugly vanity of a program parent belittling a program survivor for not equaling his program-fighting heroism

Dude.  She did ask "Who the fuck are you really? Sorry, I can't help but be suspicious!" and zen did say he talked to some group of shrinks about pv and programs and "That included what you went through, CCM.'  If talkikng about ccm and other survivors to psychs about being abused is belittling I want to get belittled more.  I never heard zend say anything about it before and it was like 2 mos. ago.  Deosn't sound like he's honking his own horn.  I would like to hear more about it though.


And this shit is getting to dumb.  I thought the godguy who said zen left ccm's shit blank proved he was telling the truth about noty posting cc's information which means the people who said it was all up were lying assholes.

Zen did apologize to me. But, the problem is he never admitted to posting my full information. He was always defending himself saying he did post it. But, with a bunch of blanks.

In the post that Z.A. deleted, and then denied existence of, all of CCMs info was up. I know that because I saw it.  I just came out of surgery, so if I sound woozy...

But that's precisely what the "god" guest said (who has PMed me and I actually know him/her quite well and trust him/her).  He was "moderate".  He said it was posted with a bunch of blanks.

But keep on fighting aobut it, my tv is broke.  why is ccm saying zen didn't have a kid in a program?  Dam, anyone calls her a liar or doubts her and she gets psycho. anyone who treats her bad is evil too:

So, who is Zen really? Some of you say he's a parent whose step-daughter was sent to one of these programs, and that he pulled her, and ever since has been speaking out against them? I don't know if that is true or not. I mean just because of how he has treated me]

Because zen doesnt like you you think he has to be a fake parent?  you saw his kids picture and name all over the place.  Still there too.  And your having a shitfit about a post noone can find on the forum.  zen's kid I feel sorry for and you were kind of a bitch to her ccm.  She is a survivor and you didnt mind crapping on her. You jsut like to bitch for the drama ccm.

What is the right cliche?  'do unto others as you would want them to do unto you' or 'what you give is what you get'.  CCm has done unto me and i don't call her a liar about being in a program.  CCM has done shit onto a lot of survivors but has cattle when she gets done on.

Wow, that's a shocker coming home to all this! Once again, no sleep will be lost.

Fuck you all very much for your comments!

Sincerely,

CCM girl 1989

Thank you, CCM! I was debating whether or not to go for broke and do some prostitution while I still have the gear for it. I was worried what my friends and kids might think. But you've reminded me that it doesn't matter. I'll let ya know how it goes, k?
 :roll:

You know it's so tempting Ginger to just get in the ring with you (to throw insults back and forth). But, I'm not going to. You are doing a good thing here with Fornits, and I appreciate it as well as the thousands that take the time to stop by. But, sometimes the things you say make no sense. Try to be a little more open minded, and don't try to push your views on everyone here. You're coming across as the big bad bully. Not everyone thinks like you do, and nor should they. You trying to control peoples minds by not letting them state their opinions without the wrath of Ginger makes you just as bad as "THEM". Which to me makes no sense since you despise all these people we discuss here on Fornits.

Is it possible you've turned into one of them, and don't even know it?

We hear way too much from you TSW, shhhhhhhhhh. BFD!?!!! You're such a shit starter.

Put a cork in it! Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. Do, us all a favor......... and handcuff your hands behind your back if you can't control yourself. Please, pretty please! I'm begging you!!!!!!!!!!!

You're soooooooo whitty TSW, so quick, so cool, god you're a fucking idiot. No, really! You are pathetic. Get outta the house, get off the computer, go have some social interaction. Even a dogs hairy ass is better then nothing!?!! Huh? Remember one thing, and one thing only from tonights exchange. You're nothing, nada! N-A-D-A!!!!!

Why are you insulting gookie instead of talking about why you feel we should not say programs are bad, CCM?

Niles, I've given you plenty of attention before. I'm over you, moving on to bigger losers like TSW.

Niles, are you finally coming down my friend? Up all night doing drugs? You, and your speed freak buddies are not to be trusted. You've taken this site, and blown it into tiny little pieces. Nobody should even think about posting here from programs. No staff, no parents, nobody.

It's painfully obvious the only people who are wanted here are the cry babies, and the VICTIMS, go cry me a river! See how boring this all will get. Nothing to argue over when you are invading the system, and changing, deleting posts.

You fucked up my little bitch.

lols.. CCM girl is off her meds also.

Get a life fucker!

You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.

Niles, my darling little pumpkie.........YOU WERE NEVER IN A PROGRAM! You don't know shit about them. What part of that can you not get through that thick skull of yours?!! How can I make it any more clearer?

You were never there, you are not a parent of a child who went there. I am not sure how the hell you got involved in this whole thing, but you have no clue what you are talking about my friend!

Go join the KKK, or the Geek Squad? I don't care as long as you just take your anger somewhere else you little freak.

We all have had different experiences while in programs. I have every right to say how it went down in the places I attended. I do feel badly for some people who were sexually abused. But, I am just saying that nobody was ever raped at any of the places I attended.

Sounds like Rachael had some interesting experiences though?

A child (someone under the age of majority) cannot consent to a sexual experience, under the law.

You have no idea what happened to other people.  I have 2 good friends who were raped by staff while there were 2 other staff and  5 other kids in the same house.  Nobody knew anything.  Including myself.  I was there and I had no idea.  However, after it was revealed and with the benefit of hindsight I found both of them to be completely credible and myself to have been completely clueless.   As you are now.

You are one callous, cruel little bitch.

Oh really? What house, or what program were you in? Name it, and name the staff who did it. If, and when you do that, maybe I'll give you the time of day. Until then you are just another anon posting a bunch of crap.

Drama queen.

Anne,

I would agree with you that more then likely your story did bore me, and that's why I don't remember it. I didn't need you to repeat your story again, I just asked what your age was, that's all.

Niles, I just want you to know what a heartless jerk I think you are. I totally voted for us all to get together for a party on your stupid poll. I will only come though if we use you as a pinyata! I just want to take a bat, and swing at you my friend.

Zen,

I will be in your neck of the woods come Thursday! Should I come pay you a visit? You have to admit there are some of you who act totally nuts on here, and that's just stating the obvious. Sorry if you took it personally. When I come to visit you what should I look for on your forehead? What will Deb have you tattooed with?

CCM girl

Out of curiosity..... Are you a mormon???

Not that it's any of your business, but no I am not! Hey, since you live in Boca, does that make you a jew?!! LOL!!!!!

Next time I am in Delray, I'll make sure and look you up. If Deborah has it her way you'll have JEW tattooed across your forehead in no time at all. But, how on earth will I set you apart from all the other jews out there?

Anyway, I personally could care less what religion anybody on this board, or on this earth here is. What matters most to me is what kind of person you are in your heart.

Unfortunately, a lot of you on here have proven to be total assholes who most of the time like to pretend you're smarter then everyone else.

Obviously you are not my son and quite obviously the rumor mongers that try to create a "so called life" here electronically had nothing more to say when the facts and the truth of the Dundee Ranch Fiasco didn’t quite turn out to be what they thought or believed. No one has posted here for months and of course no one has posted the fact that I, Narvin Lichfield was innocent and acquitted of any charges like I had been saying from the start...even though this was made publicly evident more than 4 months ago in the press this is the first posting of it to my knowledge and it is sad I had to be the one to do it. You would think the people here so ready to "bravely" slander others trying to look like the latest savior of the children would have the courage to admit when they have rushed to judgment and destroyed another’s persons name. Obviously no such honor among thieves exists for the persons who post here over the last 5 years in my opinion are just that “thieves” as defined by the bard they …steals trash; ’tis something, nothing. ‘Twas mine, ’tis his, and has been slave to thousands; But he that filches from me my good name Robs me of that which not enriches him And makes me poor indeed. Iago, Othello The Moore Of Venice, Act III Scene iii. ...it is my sincere hope that others do not treat you all with the same level of hypocrisy and poison I’ve experienced here at your hands and keyboards.. that you will never have this forced upon you over false allegations made by such needy people as Amberly Knight whose story changes every time it is told (just go check her testimony in the court documents in Colorado when she was advocating the virtues of the program against what she said in the Utah sue sheff case both were under oath) or by a now convicted pedophile in the form of Bruce Harris (Bruce was convicted of having sex with an under age boy for 3 years in central America) and as a result of a defunct pseudo-child caring organization like what we saw in Casa Alilanza that he was the director of that closed weeks after his arrest.. Karma has a way of coming around so be careful and try to treat the next guy with a little more kindness you might need it yourself some day.

Narvin,

I cannot speak for everyone here, but I for one did not set out to slander your name. I am guilty of watching the news, and reading articles on your school, and then discussing it openly. Your beef my friend, is with the media, and your former employees.

Nobody here knows you personally (I don't think??? If so then speak up). I think if you tried putting yourself in someone elses shoes besides your own, someone that did suffer abuse whether it be mentally, physically, or sexually from schools or placements similiar to yours then you could understand the anger and disgust pointed in your direction. You'd be able to empathize with them.

I'm not sure if posting this newspaper article will do much to change peoples opinion of you here on Fornits, or not? But, it's pretty much a guarantee that by saying what you said in your post, and the way you said it, people here are not going to like you even more.

I'm not even really sure why you decided to post? I am assuming that you did to basically rub everyones nose in the fact that you were found "Not Guilty". Not sure that was a good idea? Basically, in doing so you've disturbed the hive.

My advice, if you're truelly innocent........and your school, and staff are innocent........just let it go. The more you bring things up, the more you give people here something to talk about.

CCM girl 1989

Oh yeah Ganja, Psy is just so level headed. What a charming young man he is. So polite, so articulate! LOL. I just would of hated to see him without Prozac. He seems to be very angry even on meds?!! Maybe he needs to switch them? Sometimes they do need to do that because the effectivness wears off?!!

I just want to take this time to thank baby Jesus for providing Psy with Prozac. That's all, thank you again baby Jesus!!!!!

Dad Trying,

Get out while you can, LOL!!! Some of the posters here are able to give helpful advice, and that's great. But, some of them come on here to just argue till the cows come home. They love it!

Take a lot of what they have to say with a grain of salt. I try to not let them get under my skin. That's what they enjoy most. Sick, I know! But, hey that's just who they are! They can't help it, they still have a bunch of issues they have not dealt with.

Just feel sorry for them. I know I do.

The only one who is making sense is The Who. Period. End of story. Throw in the towel guys, you're losing.

I'll be starting a thread on Magnolia Criminal Center down in my own forum later. I've a few people who have expressed interest at taking a closer look at the place. Sad that an intelligent young man like Kevin could have tied his name and reputation to a place that is looking much like a standard industry duckfarm.

quack quack honk honk same old shit new face on it.

That's nice, who cares.  :roll:

ccm, no one needs you dishing out suggestions of any type of your brand of abuse, OK?  YOU AIN'T in a program now, as an upper level bitch, who gets to dispense abuse on anybody.  And anyone can say what they wish, and no one has to "put a cork in it."

Nobody HAS to put a cork in it?!! I just wish YOU would because I NEVER was some "upper level bitch"!!!! I was just quoted today by a former staff member as a total hellion when asked about me LOL!!!! You have no clue of who I was or who I am today. Remember this.......I'll dish out whatever I want, whenever I want, and how I want. So, back off bitch.

You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.

In a behavior modification facility.  33?  Well, I got at least 10 years on ya.

Yes, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.  Your solution is to lock them up?

Dumbass. :roll:

Have your opinions I will have mine. So what if you're 10 years older then me? By calling me a little girl I only assumed someone such as yourself who has the brain the size of a pea thought CCM girl 1989 meant that was the year I was born! BTW, if your 12 and getting knocked up.........um maybe you need to use a condom. Not only will it prevent that, but it could prevent you contacting an STD or HIV for god sakes.

You're not going to change my mind. It's not my job to go out there and find good treatment facilities. They do exist. You are a complete moron if you don't think they do. What, you want me on my own dime, to go out there and start investigation and locating these places for parents? And of course not make any money doing it!!!!! This whole subject is turning into a joke.

Listen here, if anyone can prove to me that Jeff Berryman is no better then WWASPS........then I would love to hear it. Show me proof!

[Che Gookin]

Speaking of Che  - where are you, homes?  I announced our bid for the Presidency on Facebook.  Our platform is the scaffold.

WHAT??? JUDGE ROY IS BACK?




NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I think I know someone who might actually have photos of that knob.

[Anonymous]

Who the fuck are you really? Sorry, I can't help but be suspicious! I don't think someone whose step-daughter went through all this crap, as you say she did, would out someone like me.

Two months ago I spoke at the Georgetown Institute Systems of Care presentation to a group of mental health pros about the rampant abuse at Peninsula Village and the TTI in general.  That included what you went through, CCM.  What have you done?

I can't begin to describe how upsetting it is to witness the deluded, ugly vanity of a program parent belittling a program survivor for not equaling his program-fighting heroism

Dude.  She did ask "Who the fuck are you really? Sorry, I can't help but be suspicious!" and zen did say he talked to some group of shrinks about pv and programs and "That included what you went through, CCM.'  If talkikng about ccm and other survivors to psychs about being abused is belittling I want to get belittled more.  I never heard zend say anything about it before and it was like 2 mos. ago.  Deosn't sound like he's honking his own horn.  I would like to hear more about it though.


And this shit is getting to dumb.  I thought the godguy who said zen left ccm's shit blank proved he was telling the truth about noty posting cc's information which means the people who said it was all up were lying assholes.

Zen did apologize to me. But, the problem is he never admitted to posting my full information. He was always defending himself saying he did post it. But, with a bunch of blanks.

In the post that Z.A. deleted, and then denied existence of, all of CCMs info was up. I know that because I saw it.  I just came out of surgery, so if I sound woozy...

But that's precisely what the "god" guest said (who has PMed me and I actually know him/her quite well and trust him/her).  He was "moderate".  He said it was posted with a bunch of blanks.

But keep on fighting aobut it, my tv is broke.  why is ccm saying zen didn't have a kid in a program?  Dam, anyone calls her a liar or doubts her and she gets psycho. anyone who treats her bad is evil too:

So, who is Zen really? Some of you say he's a parent whose step-daughter was sent to one of these programs, and that he pulled her, and ever since has been speaking out against them? I don't know if that is true or not. I mean just because of how he has treated me]

Because zen doesnt like you you think he has to be a fake parent?  you saw his kids picture and name all over the place.  Still there too.  And your having a shitfit about a post noone can find on the forum.  zen's kid I feel sorry for and you were kind of a bitch to her ccm.  She is a survivor and you didnt mind crapping on her. You jsut like to bitch for the drama ccm.

What is the right cliche?  'do unto others as you would want them to do unto you' or 'what you give is what you get'.  CCm has done unto me and i don't call her a liar about being in a program.  CCM has done shit onto a lot of survivors but has cattle when she gets done on.

K. I'm not gonna take the time to respond really, but, lol, the imitation of me(if that's what you're doing) is pretty lame & I just registered & can let Psy know who I am.

But U should read what god posted more carefully cause god didn't post what you think he did...Praise God.
night

[Anonymous]

Psy goes off half-cocked again. What a crock of shit lame excuse. If it's true.... Could we get a competent judge in here?

By all means.  From this point on, i'm deferring all judgment on the subject to Ginger.  Good luck getting the Supreme Fornits Court to hear your appeal.

Why not consider deferring everything to her, except the technical stuff you're supposed to handle? How many times do you have to fuck things up before she gags you?

[Che Gookin]

7 more times and after that it is the ball gag.