The Who offers to auction off his account for fornits!

[Anonymous]

I quoted the post, and removed the information to be respectful to CCM, hoping zen would later delete it and since i was posting as guest without the ability to edit, I didn't want to leave that information up forever, hence the XXX's in the post.

You were hoping Zen would delete it?  Why didn't you save what you claim was the "original" post and send it to Psy months ago? It looks like you copied zen's post where he used XXX's to "be respectful to CCM" and then claimed he actually put more in.  There's a Zen post in this thread mentioning a troll creating "shit".  You've admitted to being that troll.

You waited until Zen took out the XXXX's covering CCM info, that's what you were hoping for.  Then you posted yours, claiming Zen used full info.  How could he deny it?  He did what he said he would.  Zen had edited out the info masked with blanks. That gave you free rein to invent any who style bullshit you wanted.  

Weak.  So very, very weak.  After you've been screeching and stamping your feet like a child for nearly a year about CCM and zen, shouldn't it be obvious you can't get your way by crying and lying?  Zen and Gookin got past their differences and are friends working together productively.  You are some bitchy nobody who was not involved at all.  Leave it to the people who were involved. You are not one of them and probably the one who posted ZA's daughter's pics and address up.  Since you never mention it you must be trying to avoid it or think it was alright.

[Anonymous]

Post evidence I did what you say - you can't, you never even saw the post.  Only the Who and I saw it, and look at the mess your troll pal cooked up with the shit he created.

Put up the link to the original post, with what I said.

I'm not "sad but trudy", but I have to respond to this part since it is me being accused of "making shit up". I saw the post before it was edited, and that's why I was able to use by browser history by clicking on the back button to find it again after it was edited. When you are browsing history using your back button, and then click on a quote button in the forum, it reloads a new reply page. If the quote has been edited since you first starting viewing, it will only show the newest version of the quote on your new reply page.  My only option was to copy and paste the quote, and I decided to remove CCM's and her husband's name, city and state since I was posting as guest I knew I wasn't going to be able to edit it out later.

I wanted other survivors to know what type of tactic that was used by this moderator, which was blackmail, or "extortion" as Zen referred to it in that very post. It goes to whether you can trust this forum or not. It looks bad when moderators use a survivor's personal information to win points in a flamewar with TheWho.

Zen brings up his daughter being outed. I am equally outraged about that, which was just as damaging and messed up as the first outing in that thread. To accuse survivors of it is wrong though, since we know who posted her picture. To accuse survivors of posting his address, is obviously off base, since only people that know his personal information could reveal it, which I doubt he was handing out to anonymous fornits posters such as myself or "sad but trudy".

I'm tired of this topic, but I will have no problem stating what I know to be true, and what I saw. I'm not just going to sit by and say nothing when people call CCM a liar based on lies. Survivors posting in the future will be suspect of whether it's in their interest to reveal personal information, or any information at all on this forum. But, whatever, I just wanted to address this portion that refers to my guest post as "moderate." Hopefully this helps clear some more shit up.

[Anonymous]

I quoted the post, and removed the information to be respectful to CCM, hoping zen would later delete it and since i was posting as guest without the ability to edit, I didn't want to leave that information up forever, hence the XXX's in the post.

You were hoping Zen would delete it?  Why didn't you save what you claim was the "original" post and send it to Psy months ago? It looks like you copied zen's post where he used XXX's to "be respectful to CCM" and then claimed he actually put more in.  There's a Zen post in this thread mentioning a troll creating "shit".  You've admitted to being that troll.

Because I don't care about stupid dramas like this, and haven't been around fornits for a while. Now I see people accusing CCM and other survivors of being liars, on what I know to be 100% true. I quoted the post that zen edited, now he claims that it never existed as I quoted it. He's lying. CCM isn't.

You waited until Zen took out the XXXX's covering CCM info, that's what you were hoping for.  Then you posted yours, claiming Zen used full info.  How could he deny it?  He did what he said he would.  Zen had edited out the info masked with blanks. That gave you free rein to invent any who style bullshit you wanted.  

It's you zen who is making up bullshit right now, why don't you just apologize to CCM and we can move on from this?

Weak.  So very, very weak.  After you've been screeching and stamping your feet like a child for nearly a year about CCM and zen, shouldn't it be obvious you can't get your way by crying and lying?

From what I can see, there are several guests keeping this topic alive. If you want to assume they are all the same person then go ahead and do so. I haven't talked about it since back in that carcass thread, but if psy wants to know what happened, what I saw and what I quoted, I will tell him. What's your problem with this? Don't you think psy is smart enough to figure out what happened?

Zen and Gookin got past their differences and are friends working together productively.  You are some bitchy nobody who was not involved at all.  Leave it to the people who were involved. You are not one of them and probably the one who posted ZA's daughter's pics and address up.  Since you never mention it you must be trying to avoid it or think it was alright.

I was involved, because I quoted the post that you are now calling made up. I am responding with my version of what happened and know to be true, and that's it. You came and pulled apart my posts, that describe what I saw, and accuse me of being bitchy? lol. Everyone already knows who posted your daughter's pics. Why do you think that person posted her pics? Maybe you should ask them.  How would I know your address? Did you ever send it to me? Your accusations are way of base, but you know this. You are just trying to cover up the fact you are continuing a lie. I'm over it, obviously you aren't.

I pmed psy what I know, and you can continue to try to cover up your "extortion" of a survivor on the forum, but we know what happened. CCM isn't the liar, zen is.

[Anonymous]

It's you zen who is making up bullshit right now, why don't you just apologize to CCM and we can move on from this?

God loves us, I was the poster pointing out the holes in your story and I am not Zen, nor am I CCM, Psy, or thewho.  You really need to quit accusing people of things you don't know.  If you want Zen to apologize to CCM, PM him with your concerns.  Look over this thread.  It started off about the who's auction and turned to this?  Read back over it and it's pretty obvious zen isn't responding.    

Wait.  Weren't you the one who was all bitched up about being identified as another poster?  You really are a bullshit artist.  The message Fornits and the admins sent to you and false claims should be clear after this long: it's fuck you.  You've been heard and dismissed.  the burden of proof is on you.  Screaming "I saw it" over and over proves you're an asshole but nothing else.

Like Che said:  Take it to the PM's and contact Zen.  If you're too scared to do that, then shut the fuck up.  You should be banned because you're engaging in spamming this for ages.

[Anonymous]

I quoted the post, and removed the information to be respectful to CCM, hoping zen would later delete it and since i was posting as guest without the ability to edit, I didn't want to leave that information up forever, hence the XXX's in the post.

You were hoping Zen would delete it?  Why didn't you save what you claim was the "original" post and send it to Psy months ago? It looks like you copied zen's post where he used XXX's to "be respectful to CCM" and then claimed he actually put more in.  There's a Zen post in this thread mentioning a troll creating "shit".  You've admitted to being that troll.

When I pmed psy, he asked me what happened, and since it has been so long since I made the post as moderate, and as I am not a daily follower of fornits drama, I had to re-read the thread to remember what happened.

It happens just as I said in my previous post. Zen made the post, I saw it, then he edited it, I tried to quote it but it quoted the new post, so I used had to copy/paste it instead. Yes, the post did include a few X's that blocked out some letters in her, her husband's full name, city and state. But it was easy enough to fill in the blanks, the effect was the same. To call leaving a few letters out of her information "respectful to CCM" is absurd. The post was made as exortion against TheWho as zen indicated.

Personally, I don't think TheWho cared if CCM's info was posted, and I don't understand the tactic used by Zen that would assume theWho would stop posting or whatever his demands were if he kept releasing drip by drip, CCM's information. Later in the thread Zen said CCM was lucky he didn't release her arrest record and phone numbers, indicating he had pulled a full background check on her. Not exactly the kind of safe-to-post image fornits is trying to portray, when moderators do that sort of thing, know what I mean?

You are saying I claimed that zen put in more than he did. Let's clear that up right now, then maybe Zen can come forward and agree that my quote as moderate was accurate. There were some X's in place of letters, but he posted enough letters of their full names, city and state to use it as a threat. He made it clear he had the information, and was ready to release it. That's bad enough, so let's stop quibbling over if some letters were left out of his post, ok?

So with the matter of the X's in the post cleared up, we can agree that Zen, a moderator used the personal information of a program survivor to extort TheWho during a flamewar. Isn't that enough to question the safety of posting on this forum and wonder about the reliability of the trustworthy of the moderator in question?

[Anonymous]

God loves us, I was the poster pointing out the holes in your story and I am not Zen, nor am I CCM, Psy, or thewho.  

I really could care less who you are, I am just stating what I know, to help clear up the situation. Someone quoted my post and I responded to it. I have a learning disability where sometimes I address the wrong person or topic or something,but I was responding to a quote by zen that I saw that called my post as moderate made up by a troll and that's not true. I quoted the post as a warning to other survivors that this is the sort of thing this moderator is willing to do its not that complicated.

You really need to quit accusing people of things you don't know.

I know what I know, and I explained that in my posts. I think it's clear enough, and really care about this enough to try and convince people on open forum anymore. I told the people who need to know what I saw in PM, they can do with that information what they want. All I can say is what I saw and what I know.

If you want Zen to apologize to CCM, PM him with your concerns.

I don't really care one way or another. My post was called made-up by zen agent in a quote I was responding to, and started addressing him directly because sometimes my mind wanders like that, but I think my points still come across easy enough to understand. I know what I saw, and know CCM isn't a liar.


 

Look over this thread.  It started off about the who's auction and turned to this?  Read back over it and it's pretty obvious zen isn't responding.    

His quote was on the last page that said my post as moderate was made up. It wasn't and I addressed this fact. I don't know about Zen, and don't follow his posts. I do know I saw a post where he extorted a survivor using fear of releasing her personal information to get back at TheWho, and that's not something that sits well with me.

Wait.  Weren't you the one who was all bitched up about being identified as another poster?  You really are a bullshit artist.  

You keep calling me a bitch. lol. I was trying to tell Psy that I was not that ASD poster who was also bringing up this topic. I told psy I had enough of this topic and the division it creates and was moving on, but now I'm being told I made up the quote from my imagination. That's not how it happened.

The message Fornits and the admins sent to you and false claims should be clear after this long: it's fuck you.  You've been heard and dismissed.  the burden of proof is on you.  Screaming "I saw it" over and over proves you're an asshole but nothing else.

I didn't realize you speak for admins. Well I pmed an admin what I know, and it's up to him whether he wants to believe me or not. I am fine leaving it at that, because I know what's true and in time it will eventually be figured out.  Why are you so angry about all of this?

Like Che said:  Take it to the PM's and contact Zen.  If you're too scared to do that, then shut the fuck up.  You should be banned because you're engaging in spamming this for ages.

I don't have to shut the fuck up, that's the nice thing about fornits. And lucky for me, I was careful enough not to reveal my personal information to moderators like Zen, who would have no problem using it to extort me, to force me to "shut the fuck up."

[Anonymous]

It's you zen who is making up bullshit right now, why don't you just apologize to CCM and we can move on from this?

I was under the impression that zen already apologized to CCM and everybody already moved on from this. Except that somebody (you?) keeps bringing it again and then CCM chimes in again and then it starts all over again.

[Anonymous]

It's you zen who is making up bullshit right now, why don't you just apologize to CCM and we can move on from this?

I was under the impression that zen already apologized to CCM and everybody already moved on from this. Except that somebody (you?) keeps bringing it again and then CCM chimes in again and then it starts all over again.

 I didn't bring it up. Go back and start on page 17-18. The first post I can find that mentions the CCM vs Kevin drama specifically is made by "asda", who is not me. "asda" was responding to Psy's post which mentioned Zen's address being posted when talking about threats, so if you want to accuse someone of bringing it up, send a pm to your friendly  neighborhood admin. I was responding to psy's edited out portion that said CCM can't be belived in this situation. Since I know that's not true, I spoke up to let psy know what I saw in regard to that specific situation.

[Anonymous]

It's you zen who is making up bullshit right now, why don't you just apologize to CCM and we can move on from this?

I was under the impression that zen already apologized to CCM

he did.

 Postby ZenAgent on 05 Mar 2008, 03:07
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=25362&p=310275&hilit=apologize+CCM#p310275

Okay, first I'd like to apologize to CCM - I didn't use anything more than your first name and home state, (you used to sign your posts with your first name).  I did add your husband's first name, too.  Not enough info to threaten your privacy.  You know I didn't post the pics.  Again, I apologize.

God loathes us knows too:

Hell, zen even apologizes to CCM for posting it. But that thread matters little to me. I know 100% that post in question was real, as I quoted it, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince anyone of this.

You sound like a true programee.  "God damn it, I'm right and everyone else is wrong! I don't need no proof"!

I wanted other survivors to know what type of tactic that was used by this moderator, which was blackmail, or "extortion" as Zen referred to it in that very post.

You mean this post?  Who was Z accusing of extortion?  Thewho!

CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this?  I will, but I consider it extortion.  You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.

I'll delete this after you answer me...

Z was being pushed by the who and stopped short of giving full info.  He called the who's demand extortion and encouraged who to ask CCM for permission.  Zen was being extorted by thewho.

And you "eyewitnesses" disagree:

Yes, the post did include a few X's that blocked out some letters in her, her husband's full name, city and state. But it was easy enough to fill in the blanks(?), the effect was the same. To call leaving a few letters out of her information "respectful to CCM" is absurd.

I was the one who quoted the original zen post. He posted it as I quoted it (which I changed to not make CCM's & husbands name permanent)

ZA’s apparently been lying 2 u, and on this forum that there is NO “missing original” post (which he deleted). You've been parroting that lie up to now, which kinda sucks. In this post he had all of her info up originally

So much for the witnesses.

: He posted it as I quoted it (which I changed to not make CCM's & husbands name permanent

: You've been parroting that lie up to now, which kinda sucks. In this post he had all of her info up originally

:  Yes, the post did include a few X's that blocked out some letters in her, her husband's full name, city and state. But it was easy enough to fill in the blanks(?)

_____________________________________________________________________________

Besides, you come forward in October claiming to be the poster "moderate", the person who originally posted the doctored quote?  You don't get on Fornits much do you?  Moderate posted an explanation and an apology on 18 Aug 2008, 21:09

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25469&start=135#p313565

CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this?  I will, but I consider it extortion.  You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.

I'll delete this after you answer me...

 

You notice I left a lot of blanks?

DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who.  Obviously.

Now, honor your end and post something other than a dead thread.  You're not giving me FACTS, just re-hashes.

Share your "information".

Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.

I'm the poster who signed in as "moderate"  I was only trying to fuck with theWho, not Zen.  You trolls ran with it.  Zen never posted shit about Cc

No, troll:  YOU ALTERED MY POST!!!!  Shit, I never expected a joke to be taken so far.

The original I made up:

http://fornits.com/smf/viewtopic.php?f= ... 50#p309739

CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this?  I will, but I consider it extortion.  You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.

I'll delete this after you answer me...

See how I provided my actual link?

IDIOT TROLL!  Proof once and for all you know that zen never posted shit. I know, because I posted the "name deleted", etc. bullshit.

Zen, I apologize.  I only wanted to take the piss out of theWho.  Never expected the PV shitheads to troll the livin' bejesus out of it or post your kid's info and your address.  Think about it, who else would have your address and phone # at their fingertips?

I'm truly sorry to Siobhan and the family.  I can't believe this snowballed.  And PV trolls, you can burn in hell, douche bags.  Don't try to make up shit to discredit people who are exposing the kid torture camp you run.

[Anonymous]

Zen was being extorted by thewho.

Now that is funny.

[psy]

You are saying I claimed that zen put in more than he did. Let's clear that up right now, then maybe Zen can come forward and agree that my quote as moderate was accurate. There were some X's in place of letters, but he posted enough letters of their full names, city and state to use it as a threat. He made it clear he had the information, and was ready to release it. That's bad enough, so let's stop quibbling over if some letters were left out of his post, ok?

I think everybody is under the impression (based on your quoted post) that Zen posted the rest of her name (which he claims he could not have posted because he didn't know them). They didn't know what you blanked out. I assumed the "moderate" post was attempting to say that he had actually posting her full name. If what you blanked out was just a letter and periods, then isn't it possible that he was just bluffing as he claims and never actually knew her full name?

Either way, if his bluff has caused this much trouble, he shouldn't have done it.

[Anonymous]

Just because Struggling 'Tards censors doesn't mean fornits shouldn't censor on occasion, too. That logic is severly flawed (I guess we should all stop shitting too since people who post on ST must have to shit now and then.) There are times when it is right to delete things. Like when someone kept posting pics of Zen's daughter, like 95% of what TheWho posts, etc. Whenever this comes up, I hear the same old argument about 'how do we decide, how would we make it fair?' Fuck that. Life isn't perfect, and neither is this site. What do you do? MAKE AN EFFORT AND BE A VERTEBRATE ONCE IN A WHILE, that's what you do! You don't have time? FINE...let an admin who ~does have time take care of it!

I know I'm probably pissing in the wind here, though...can't teach an old dog new tricks... *sigh*

Yep, pissin in the wind. Program had rules = all rules are bad. The social experiment continues. Chaos rules.
You've been here a while. Do you ever remember this kind of bullshit pre-Psy, Che?

[ZenAgent]

You are saying I claimed that zen put in more than he did. Let's clear that up right now, then maybe Zen can come forward and agree that my quote as moderate was accurate. There were some X's in place of letters, but he posted enough letters of their full names, city and state to use it as a threat. He made it clear he had the information, and was ready to release it. That's bad enough, so let's stop quibbling over if some letters were left out of his post, ok?

I think everybody is under the impression (based on your quoted post) that Zen posted the rest of her name (which he claims he could not have posted because he didn't know them). They didn't know what you blanked out. I assumed the "moderate" post was attempting to say that he had actually posting her full name. If what you blanked out was just a letter and periods, then isn't it possible that he was just bluffing as he claims and never actually knew her full name?

Either way, if his bluff has caused this much trouble, he shouldn't have done it.

I will respond.  CCM posted her full name everywhere.  I still didn't post it.  You - God Freak - I caught you twice lying about the content - first you claim I put the "full info" in, and then you backtrack and say I used blanks.   What did you actually see, or make up?  Tell me something - after what you pigs did to my kid, if I had CCM's full info I would have posted it. My "bluff" didn't cause this trouble, Psy.  I said what I wanted to CCM -  the rest of you can go to hell.  Make your minds up, but shut up.  I read this mealymouthed whining going on for what, 23 pages?  It ended up having nothing to do with the who and more to do with CCM's urge to whine and this Christer's persecution complex.  

Zen brings up his daughter being outed. I am equally outraged about that, which was just as damaging and messed up as the first outing in that thread.  

Really?  Where were the blanks in my kid's name and address ? Did you not see the pictures?  If you think that was "just as damaging" as a bunch of blanks I used to cover the name of a poster who has a posted list of people she's torched, then you really are a Christian.  My step daughter didn't post here, but you and your crew knew abusing her was the best way to get at me.   Bad news, though:  Jesus thinks you're a grand asshole.

But still and all, you're a bunch of fucking liars - and don't get uptight, that's freedom of speech.  From weak admins to people like you, Christ-a lot.  All of you be damned.

[Anonymous]

Ok seriously..... CCM girl I like you.. I really do.. But now you are getting on my nerves. Please redirect your questions and complaints via the PM box to the person you want to answer them.
I'm somehow sure you'll actually get more done than endlessly carrying on on the forums.

Careful CCM, now you're getting on Gook's nerves. You're treading on dangerous water. Best heed his warning and shut your trap on the forum. Sounds like censorship to me.
It was so much nicer before the forum was highjacked by ChePsy. Ginger would have never gone on and on and on and on about issues with people. Things got resolved and the forum moved on. You two have turned this place into a shit fest it will never recover from.

[Anonymous]

My "bluff" didn't cause this trouble, Psy.

He doesn't know what due process is. He talks shit about shit he knows shit about. Always jumping in to speak for others. Making up lame excuses for people when they aren't necessary. Misquoting. Assuming. Defending, as if the other person can't do that for themselves. Jezus christ, why don't you shut the fuck up and let others speak for themselves. You just add to the confustion. We don't see Kelly and Ginger out here going round and round. What is your problem? What's different about you? Why such a strong need to C-O-N-T-R-O-L Fornits.

Ginger, can't you pull in the reigns on this guy. He continues to give the forum a bad name. Shut him up for god's sake. I thought he was going to have two user accounts. One to post technical bullshit, and another regular account, just another poster. Why do you continue to allow him, and to a lessor degree Che, to represent Fornits.