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[TheWho]

When a study is requested by the program, most likely funded by the program (anon donor, riiiiight) and the founder and director are part of the team doing the study, it tends to call said study into question.  For most people with critical thinking skills still intact anyway.

You must be new here.  Many have been asking, here on fornits, for years that if a program feels they are successful why they just dont fund the study themselves?  Well wala!!  It is here and the study was conducted independently and over seen by Valerie Slaymaker which makes it pretty much bullit proof.  She wouldnt lend her name to any report or summary unless it was solid.

I havent read the entire report yet, but there doesnt seem to be much to dispute.

Valerie Slaymaker, Ph.D., Director Butler Center for Research
Dr. Slaymaker received her Ph.D. in clinical psychology from the University of Nebraska-Lincoln in 1999 where she trained as a scientist-practitioner. She completed her bachelor's degree in psychology at the University of Minnesota-Duluth with honors, and also holds a master's degree in clinical psychology from the Minnesota State University in Mankato.
Since joining the Butler Center for Research in January of 2001, Dr. Slaymaker has participated in the design, implementation, analyses, and dissemination of several clinical research projects. Recent studies have included outcomes evaluations of employed men and women, older adults, health care professionals, and other groups. She is currently collaborating with researchers from Mass General, the University of Michigan, and the University of Pennsylvania on studies related to youth and older adults.
Dr. Slaymaker is an Assistant Professor at the Hazelden Graduate School of Addiction Studies where she teaches a segment of the course, "Alcohol and Drug Dependency: Research and Clinical Practice."
Prior to joining the Butler Center for Research, Dr. Slaymaker worked at Hazelden's Mental Health Clinic as a unit psychologist, providing services to one of the women's units on the Center City, Minnesota campus



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[Anonymous]

You must be new here.

There's that tone we keep telling you about.


 

Many have been asking, here on fornits, for years that if a program feels they are successful why they just dont fund the study themselves?

Where?  When?  I can't see anyone who is against programs calling for a study done BY a program of itself.  Nope.  Never seen it.  Calling for independent studies?  Absolutely.  But to have Vause review Vause's program?  Surely even YOU can see the conflict of interest there.  And I haven't even addressed the others and their relationships to AARC/Vause.

Well wala!!  It is here and the study was conducted independently and over seen by Valerie Slaymaker which makes it pretty much bullit proof.  She wouldnt lend her name to any report or summary unless it was solid.
I havent read the entire report yet, but there doesnt seem to be much to dispute.

Slaymaker is Hazelden. 

[TheWho]

Valerie Slaymaker, Ph.D., Director
Dr. Slaymaker received her Ph.D. in clinical psychology from the University of Nebraska-Lincoln in 1999 where she trained as a scientist-practitioner. She completed her bachelor's degree in psychology at the University of Minnesota-Duluth with honors, and also holds a master's degree in clinical psychology from the Minnesota State University in Mankato.
Since joining the Butler Center for Research in January of 2001, Dr. Slaymaker has participated in the design, implementation, analyses, and dissemination of several clinical research projects. Recent studies have included outcomes evaluations of employed men and women, older adults, health care professionals, and other groups. She is currently collaborating with researchers from Mass General, the University of Michigan, and the University of Pennsylvania on studies related to youth and older adults.
Dr. Slaymaker is an Assistant Professor at the Hazelden Graduate School of Addiction Studies where she teaches a segment of the course, "Alcohol and Drug Dependency: Research and Clinical Practice."
Prior to joining the Butler Center for Research, Dr. Slaymaker worked at Hazelden's Mental Health Clinic as a unit psychologist, providing services to one of the women's units on the Center City, Minnesota campus

[TheWho]

But to have Vause review Vause's program?  Surely even YOU can see the conflict of interest there

It is his program.  He needs to be involved in the study at many levels.  The study could not be possible without his help and cooperation.  He needs to introduce the outside people, open the doors for them to get cooperation.  He needs to be involved to help release and collect the data..... Make himself and his people available to answer questions about the program, the people being sampled, give insight to AARC's philosophy etc.

If he wasnt seeking honest and independent results he could have just done the study himself or by a local independent.  But he brought in people from Hazeleden who have a lot of expertise in this area and a great reputation for research and treatment.

For those unfamiliar:

http://www.hazelden.org/

A few avenues to challenge this study is to contact Dr. Patton or request a peer review.  I think it is good to ask questions and show an interest but to date you havent shown any credentials to place yourself in a position to challenge this on any level.  If you took some time to compare this to other studies you will see that this equals and/or far exceeds the requirements that make up an independent analysis.




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[ajax13]

Well wala!!  It is here and the study was conducted independently and over seen by Valerie Slaymaker which makes it pretty much bullit proof.  She wouldnt lend her name to any report or summary unless it was solid.

Your supernatural ability to determine what human beings would or wouldn't do is amazing.  We should do away with habeus corpus, and our whole judicial system and just have you tell us who or who isn't guilty. 

[Anonymous]

ajax: your inability to get the facts straight CONTINUE to amaze - Michael Patton designed and administered the AARC Evaluation. He is an EXPERT in the field of evaluation and has Much experience in evaluating treatment centres. UNLESS something has changed recently, he is not Vause and Vause is not him. So, the evaluation was conducted by OUTSIDE academics. Unfortunately he is a from UNION but he was chosen because of his reputation and experience. Most likely that was done because of the detractors from AARC. BUt it still doesn't satisfy people who do not have any education because they are unable to see the value of Patton and that HIS team were responsible for designing and conducting the AARC "review".

[ajax13]

Since you have absolutely no idea what my educational background is, I'm curious as to why you continually state that I have none.  Not that it has anything to do with what I post.  To the best of my knowledge, anyone is free to comment on anything in this society still.  If you don't agree with what I say, or you can disprove it, by all means have a go.

[TheWho]

Since you have absolutely no idea what my educational background is, I'm curious as to why you continually state that I have none.  Not that it has anything to do with what I post.  To the best of my knowledge, anyone is free to comment on anything in this society still.  If you don't agree with what I say, or you can disprove it, by all means have a go.

People who have been educated have a respect for others who embrace a love a life of learning and realize that education is an ongoing event.  It doesn’t stop with a diploma.  They are merely markers or milestones.  It takes a great deal of work and dedication to achieve a Bachelors, masters and PhD.  You do not need to state your educational status.  Your belittling and ridicule of those who seek a life of learning and your obvious ignorance of what it takes to achieve a PhD speaks for you.  You cut and paste requirements like you know what you are talking about and you clearly do not.
Your constant ridicule of people and what they have achieved, your ridicule of peoples weight issues and wives and dismissal of very prominent and competent people from Hazelden who oversaw a study is embarrassing and you just cannot see it because of your obvious anger or indifference to people outside of your circle.
None of us know how educated you are but it is obvious to many how uneducated you are.

[ajax13]

The requirements to get into the University of Calgary Clinical Psychology PhD program were formulated by the University of Calgary Psych department, and not by me.  I had nothing to do with the fact that these requirements far exceed those of the Union Institute.  There is a vast difference in the amount of work and dedication required to get a PhD from the University of Calgary in Clinical Psychology, and one from the Union Institute.   I'm not quite sure what your point is about cutting and pasting.  I could simply offer sentimental comments like yours and those of other AARColytes, but instead I chose to present information from pertinent sources.  If you're embarassed, that is a personal problem. 

[TheWho]

The requirements to get into the University of Calgary Clinical Psychology PhD program were formulated by the University of Calgary Psych department, and not by me. 

Each school defines and sets up their own requirements for admission around the guidelines laid out by the accredidation committee.  I didnt see where anyone implied you were involved in this.  These decisions are left to the department heads.

[Anonymous]

Needs to be repeated.

There is a vast difference in the amount of work and dedication required to get a PhD from the University of Calgary in Clinical Psychology, and one from the Union Institute. 

The one from Union usually consists of defending a dissertation to a panel.  That's about it.

[TheWho]

Needs to be repeated.

There is a vast difference in the amount of work and dedication required to get a PhD from the University of Calgary in Clinical Psychology, and one from the Union Institute. 

The one from Union usually consists of defending a dissertation to a panel.  That's about it.

There are vast differences but work and dedication are required of both and it depends on the individual how much effort is put forth.  There are people who sleep their way thru Harvard and others who bust their but to get a degree at a community college.  Go figure

[ajax13]

Brilliant comment.  Highly relevent to the comparison of the entrance qualifications and program requirements.  The University of Calgary program meets the standards of the professional body governing practising psychologists in Alberta, whereas the Union degree is not eve approved by the American Psychological Association.  So again, it is anybody's guess why, after opening AARC, the Wiz got a PhD from Union.

[Anonymous]

and you are the EXPERT on Universities because you ahve what degree(s) from which univeristies, vince buddy.
Your followers keep saying that this is not important but how can you possibly judge what an adequate education is when you haven't put any effort into getting one yourself!!

[ajax13]

You still have no idea what my education is, and your post does not address in any way the vast diferrence between the entrance requirements and program elements of a University of Calgary Clinical Psychology PhD, and one from the Union Institute.