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Re: What helped you most to recover after program?
« Reply #45 on: January 18, 2008, 01:35:29 PM »
Steps leading to my healing from Provo Canyon School (in chronological order):

*breaking down and sharing my story with a trusted adult, who was the first person to tell me that this was in fact a terrible, abusive experience which I should not have had to go through, and therefor this was the first time I realized that my feelings and symptoms I was experiencing post-PCS were valid (anxiety, fear, nightmares, confusion, ect...)

*taking psychology and sociology classes in college- this is when I realized just how malignant PCS was; a destructive program with no scientific basis, implemented by uneducated individuals with no professional or university level training.

*Explaining my findings to my parents; demanding an explanation for their actions, leading to apologies from my mother (who was primarily responsible for sending me there) and silence from my father (who can never admit he was wrong, but was not " the decider" in my situation)

*Nursing school- seeing firsthand how medical profesionals behave and treat patients, learning that treatment programs MUST have basis in sound scientific fact and accepted theory in order to be accepted by the mainstream medical community (thats why psychiatric hospitals and the majority of healthcare provider DO NOT refer children to places like PCS)

*continued discussion with my mother regarding her decision to send me to PCS; reinforcing to her daily that what she did was wrong and irresponsible and that my anger will not resolve so easily and that I may never forgive her.  Continue to hate her for this.  

*posting on fornits and other sites; talking with other "survivors"; getting the information out there about this place and hoping that if my parents had access to this information that they would have made a better decision.
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Re: What helped you most to recover after program?
« Reply #46 on: January 18, 2008, 02:05:12 PM »
I don't recall recovering...
I did proceed w/the 'expected' accomplishments.
get married;
have kids;
get older...

marriage failed;
don't make good babies;
I'm older, that's for sure...

Time is all that's really helped:  It was long ago, and far away, for me
but there've been LOTS of repairs over the years,
so there is no forgetting...
OR recovering

Sometimes I even convince myself there was no damage done!!
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Re: Institutionalized
« Reply #47 on: March 06, 2008, 02:55:48 PM »
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Fornits basically served as therapy in terms of validating my experiences and forcing me to evaluate program specific patterns.  It also radicalized me in terms of increasing a hyper awareness of social constraints.   

It also affected my parenting. I have one easy breezy kid and one fucking hell of a handful, and I am being very careful not to parent reactively. Not to grasp at the "lifelines" the school throws out to make your kid conform, while crushing his spirit. (Fornits has done an excellent job at reminding me NOT to rely on meds/institutions for help.  To just be more creative and ride it out.)

So: Time, Fornits, and a realization that I have more control over the trajectory of my life (this is for you, DDF,  know you love the word!).... also a really horrific failed marriage forced me to learn to take more control of my life.  Yeah, throw in a total break down and re-emergence.  (Anne -- your stories of an ex who tried to control you post marriage sent shivers down my spine. And to have your KoolAid swilling folks help in this endeavor--UGH!  I thought I was in a difficult position, but hearing your story, and that you made it through, was inspirational.)

As for Moms. Yep, it was mine who put me in. My Dad was a workaholic who was never home. Even though he didn't see eye to eye on CEDU, he felt he had to back her up, since she was at home.   However, to his credit, he is the reason I wasn't sent back when I made it back home after splitting.

I thought it was Social Distortion that sang the Institutionalized song. The "all I wanted was a pepsi song."   I was just telling my friend yesterday about that song and how it reminded me of some program parents.



Aww, I missed this first time around.  Thanks.  Very much.  I think that did as much or more damage than the two years spent inside.  How they tore my family apart and turned us all against each other.  It was absolute, pure insanity for damn near twenty years.  My ex's parents still try that kind of crap with the kids, but thankfully they're a helluva lot smarter than I was at that age and they don't allow it.  My youngest daughter is buying a condo.....I'm so proud of her.  She's 20, is getting the financing on her own, has the down payment on her own and is fully capable of handling the pmts and maintenance fees.  My ex father in law keeps trying to insist that he co-sign for her, "just in case" she gets into trouble.  They haven't been able to control the kids through fear, like they did their father and I, so they use carrots to dangle.  My youngest used to fall for it....they'd buy the car for her, but that meant she was subject to their moods and whims and the car was taken away at the drop of a hat.  A few months ago she got into a small accident....grandpa helped her get the car fixed, but went through her garbage.  Seriously, they were dropping the car off to be fixed and she gathered up all the garbage in a bag, was getting ready to throw it away and he came up and snatched it out of her hand and told her he was going to go through it.  Her response was, "eh, so what.  I've got nothing to hide". AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.  Oh my god, it drove me NUTS.

Anyway, now he wants to co-sign a damn loan for her even though she qualifies on her own!!!  Shit, if all he was wanting to do was 'help out if she got in trouble with pmts'....why not just make a couple of pmts for her if she ever does get into trouble?  Nope, because that wouldn't give them control.  Ugghhh.  It just makes me sick. 

I also remember when my oldest was about 16 and really giving me hell.  Scared the living shit out of me for about 6 years.  Her dad and his parents sent her and her 'good kid' sister, unbeknownst to me, to a one day (thank god that was all) "boot camp" (was supposed to be a preview of what they'd get if they didn't shape up).  They were actively trying to put the older into the full-fledged boot camp or another, comparable program.  They were saying all the same deadinsanejail bullshit.  Yeah.......OVER MY DEAD FUCKING BODY!!!!.   I fought like hell and thank god I won.  But it just struck me that not only did Str8 ruin my life, it damn near ruined my kids' lives.  In a number of different ways.
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Re: What helped you most to recover after program?
« Reply #48 on: March 07, 2008, 09:04:00 PM »
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Re: What helped you most to recover after program?
« Reply #49 on: July 01, 2008, 12:14:21 AM »
Some of this is just so ridiculous I don't know how to respond. First of all, I doubt most of what I read just because that's how I was raised. To question what I am told and decide how possible it actually is. In this case I have to say I don't know, but I have my reservations. With that said, I think the teapot might be calling the kettle black.
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Re: What helped you most to recover after program?
« Reply #50 on: July 01, 2008, 01:50:06 AM »
CAFETY
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Re: What helped you most to recover after program?
« Reply #51 on: July 01, 2008, 11:10:56 AM »
Sue Scheff!
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Re: What helped you most to recover after program?
« Reply #52 on: July 01, 2008, 08:17:45 PM »
after straight I removed it from the front of my mind but was still affected by the programming and I was lost.. then my husband came alone and he was the program all over.. however I failed to see the conection at the time. I just thought now here is someone telling me what to do and I dont know what I am suppose to be doing as program shattered all self confidence so will listen to this man.. he was authoritative and seemed to believe what he said???? I doubted myself and had no fam or support so I went along with his direction.. rebeled and yelled alot then finally made the connection back to the program and have been trying to heal ever since.. 2 yrs now.. we are still together and now I just don't give him or anyone else my power anymore.. I admit I am all powerful and trust in myself!!!!!
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Re: What helped you most to recover after program?
« Reply #53 on: July 01, 2008, 10:29:29 PM »
Aww, I missed this first time around.  Thanks.  Very much.  I think that did as much or more damage than the two years spent inside.  How they tore my family apart and turned us all against each other.  It was absolute, pure insanity for damn near twenty years.  My ex's parents still try that kind of crap with the kids, but thankfully they're a helluva lot smarter than I was at that age and they don't allow it.  My youngest daughter is buying a condo.....I'm so proud of her.  She's 20, is getting the financing on her own, has the down payment on her own and is fully capable of handling the pmts and maintenance fees.  My ex father in law keeps trying to insist that he co-sign for her, "just in case" she gets into trouble.  They haven't been able to control the kids through fear, like they did their father and I, so they use carrots to dangle.  My youngest used to fall for it....they'd buy the car for her, but that meant she was subject to their moods and whims and the car was taken away at the drop of a hat.  A few months ago she got into a small accident....grandpa helped her get the car fixed, but went through her garbage.  Seriously, they were dropping the car off to be fixed and she gathered up all the garbage in a bag, was getting ready to throw it away and he came up and snatched it out of her hand and told her he was going to go through it.  Her response was, "eh, so what.  I've got nothing to hide". AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.  Oh my god, it drove me NUTS.

Anyway, now he wants to co-sign a damn loan for her even though she qualifies on her own!!!  Shit, if all he was wanting to do was 'help out if she got in trouble with pmts'....why not just make a couple of pmts for her if she ever does get into trouble?  Nope, because that wouldn't give them control.  Ugghhh.  It just makes me sick.  

I really hope your daughter does not get too tempted by her grandfather's "offer".  I think your instincts are correct.  If she considers letting him to co-sign, please have her sit down with an attorney so she understands exactly how that would impact her.  Co-signing is one thing ( and I'm sure he will rub it in every chance he gets that he is liable for the loan and it affects his credit) but if he manages to manipulate it so that he is on title ( and once he has her on the hook and interested in his "help", he may try it) then he has an ownership interest and you know he is going to enter the house when she is not there and go through her things.  It will be nightmare city.
I have had a lot of experience with contracts, real estate, mortgages and the law.  I also have experience observing people who have signed legal documents without a clear understanding of how they would be affected ( witness the mortgage mess we are in now!).  You may want to help pre-empt his offer and any temptation she may feel by having her go over all of her documents with an attorney so he or she can explain how she would be impacted by that "offer".   If she does decide to take the "offer" please, please, have an attorney go over any documents before she signs or at least during the three day right of recission so she has an escape.  If grandpa Dickwad is anything like my ex he will make a nice-sounding offer but there will be many strings attached and at the last minute he will try to manipulate things to serve his own agenda.  My guess would be he would try to convince her she needs his help and then try to get on title so he can have control.  Bravo to you for raising a real woman!  I hope she sticks to her guns; this country is in a shitload of hurt by people who have thrown away their rights for some bogus "safety".  Good luck; I would love to see how this turns out!
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Re: What helped you most to recover after program?
« Reply #54 on: July 02, 2008, 02:58:52 PM »
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I really hope your daughter does not get too tempted by her grandfather's "offer".  I think your instincts are correct.  If she considers letting him to co-sign, please have her sit down with an attorney so she understands exactly how that would impact her.  Co-signing is one thing ( and I'm sure he will rub it in every chance he gets that he is liable for the loan and it affects his credit) but if he manages to manipulate it so that he is on title ( and once he has her on the hook and interested in his "help", he may try it) then he has an ownership interest and you know he is going to enter the house when she is not there and go through her things.  It will be nightmare city.
I have had a lot of experience with contracts, real estate, mortgages and the law.  I also have experience observing people who have signed legal documents without a clear understanding of how they would be affected ( witness the mortgage mess we are in now!).  You may want to help pre-empt his offer and any temptation she may feel by having her go over all of her documents with an attorney so he or she can explain how she would be impacted by that "offer".   If she does decide to take the "offer" please, please, have an attorney go over any documents before she signs or at least during the three day right of recission so she has an escape.  If grandpa Dickwad is anything like my ex he will make a nice-sounding offer but there will be many strings attached and at the last minute he will try to manipulate things to serve his own agenda.  My guess would be he would try to convince her she needs his help and then try to get on title so he can have control.  Bravo to you for raising a real woman!  I hope she sticks to her guns; this country is in a shitload of hurt by people who have thrown away their rights for some bogus "safety".  Good luck; I would love to see how this turns out!



Thanks for the words of wisdom and rest assured there is no way in hell she's going to let him anywhere near her finances or anything else.   Right now she said she wants to save up some more for a bigger down payment and wait until her raise kicks in in about 6 months before she starts seriously looking.  Her sister just moved back in with us so we have a full house again.  My oldest one is going through a really rough time right now and its nice to see the sisters relying on each other. 

The grandparents and their father are up in Maine for the summer right now.  Some things have recently come to light and I'm afraid of what I'm going to do to him when I see him.
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Re: What helped you most to recover after program?
« Reply #55 on: July 02, 2008, 03:04:44 PM »
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Some things have recently come to light and I'm afraid of what I'm going to do to him when I see him.
Sounds ominous and grim, Anne. Someone who does not understand or respect boundaries is a likely candidate for abusive behavior. Obviously true in programs, as well, as so many of you learned the hard way.

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Re: What helped you most to recover after program?
« Reply #56 on: July 02, 2008, 06:56:39 PM »
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I really hope your daughter does not get too tempted by her grandfather's "offer".  I think your instincts are correct.  If she considers letting him to co-sign, please have her sit down with an attorney so she understands exactly how that would impact her.  Co-signing is one thing ( and I'm sure he will rub it in every chance he gets that he is liable for the loan and it affects his credit) but if he manages to manipulate it so that he is on title ( and once he has her on the hook and interested in his "help", he may try it) then he has an ownership interest and you know he is going to enter the house when she is not there and go through her things.  It will be nightmare city.
I have had a lot of experience with contracts, real estate, mortgages and the law.  I also have experience observing people who have signed legal documents without a clear understanding of how they would be affected ( witness the mortgage mess we are in now!).  You may want to help pre-empt his offer and any temptation she may feel by having her go over all of her documents with an attorney so he or she can explain how she would be impacted by that "offer".   If she does decide to take the "offer" please, please, have an attorney go over any documents before she signs or at least during the three day right of recission so she has an escape.  If grandpa Dickwad is anything like my ex he will make a nice-sounding offer but there will be many strings attached and at the last minute he will try to manipulate things to serve his own agenda.  My guess would be he would try to convince her she needs his help and then try to get on title so he can have control.  Bravo to you for raising a real woman!  I hope she sticks to her guns; this country is in a shitload of hurt by people who have thrown away their rights for some bogus "safety".  Good luck; I would love to see how this turns out!



Thanks for the words of wisdom and rest assured there is no way in hell she's going to let him anywhere near her finances or anything else.   Right now she said she wants to save up some more for a bigger down payment and wait until her raise kicks in in about 6 months before she starts seriously looking.  Her sister just moved back in with us so we have a full house again.  My oldest one is going through a really rough time right now and its nice to see the sisters relying on each other. 

The grandparents and their father are up in Maine for the summer right now.  Some things have recently come to light and I'm afraid of what I'm going to do to him when I see him.

Your daughter sounds remarkable...that is a good decision she made.  Sorry about the added burdens you have to face right now.
Whatever you do to him, I am sure he deserves.  Things done to children fall into the "unforgivable" catagory.  I'll be sending you kind thoughts that you have the strength to face it all.
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