Ban TheWho?

[TheWho]

who, teenagers not listening to their parents, not wanthing to follow rules, experementing with drugs, having sexual encounters... THESE ARE NORMAL ACTIVITIES FOR A TEENAGER.

Stop acting as if this is all some disease that ont RTC's can fix.

Teens dont listen in class because they find it boring, they resent doing homework because they would rather be doing a millon other things. This is not brain science it's common logic that teens are very difficult to reason with and hate you no matter what you do.... thats part of being a teenager. Stop acting as if a pill or a program is going to redesign thousands of years of a human instinct. Teens acting this way is as normal as a two year old screaming MINE, or a 5 year old that steals candy, or a 12 year old sneaking dirty magazines. It's a part of growing up and you guys are trying to treat it as if this is an alien concept to you.

Dont lump me in with all parents... I am familiar with how teenagers are, I wouldnt send any of them away (or have any part in sending them away) for smoking pot experimenting with drugs or having sex....


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[The Monsters]

then pray tell what did you send your poor troubled fucked up daughter for?

School problems? Anxiety issues? Depressive state? All of these once again common for a teenager.

[TheWho]

then pray tell what did you send your poor troubled fucked up daughter for?

School problems? Anxiety issues? Depressive state? All of these once again common for a teenager.

I am not going to disclose that here with the chance she could be identified (by me being identified, by my choice or not) someday.  Wouldnt be fair to her.


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[The Monsters]

thats a lie, and whats not fair to her is that you sent her in the first place. (if she even exists)


if she truly believed this place helped her she would be in here right next to you telling her story and how it saved her life and you two's relationship.

[Anne Bonney]

I hear you and thanks.  If they were trying to ban niles or yourself... even Anne Bonney I would fight for your rights to speak openly here even though I feel you are misleading parents who come on here and place their kids in danger of not receiving any help. 

In case you haven't noticed, I've just taken a ration of shit for not climbing aboard the ban Who Bandwagon.

 I didnt notice , where was that posted?
Well, thanks.  It looks like you are the deciding vote if it stands.  You will have to take psy's place as the one responsible for me being here.  I guess I will owe you, Anne.  You will take alot of shit for that.  (pardon my french).


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I'm not responsible for anything but my own opinion.

[Anne Bonney]

then pray tell what did you send your poor troubled fucked up daughter for?

School problems? Anxiety issues? Depressive state? All of these once again common for a teenager.

I am not going to disclose that here with the chance she could be identified (by me being identified, by my choice or not) someday.  Wouldnt be fair to her.


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Well, from what you've posted here before you two sound very much like my father and I.  He truly believed for a very long time that what he did really was in my best interest.  I'm sure his intentions were that, but he refused to see anything negative about Straight for years and years afterward.  I now know, as he has told me, that it was just too painful to admit that he was duped to the point of inflicting actual pain upon his child.  He just couldn't face the guilt.   Even with all the evidence in front of him  (even Who admits that Straight was abusive), he just couldn't deal with it.  He had to hold onto the notion and fairy tale that the end justified the means.  I was "straight" for a while after getting out, but mainly because I was scared that if I did anything out of line, I'd be sent right back.  Straight "worked" in the sense that it stopped me, temporarily, from smoking pot but because it was forced/coerced upon me, it didn't mean anything.  I had to find out for myself what my own values and morals were.  It wasn't something athat could be 'taught' at a behavior mod facility...especially when un or underqualified "staff" (read higher phase program kids) using known abusive tactics from known cults.  You just can't pretty that shit up.

[TheWho]

thats a lie, and whats not fair to her is that you sent her in the first place. (if she even exists)


if she truly believed this place helped her she would be in here right next to you telling her story and how it saved her life and you two's relationship.

Geeese  everything you dont want to hear is a lie.  Is that the only way you can justify people disagreeing with you or having a different experience?  I have read plenty of people here on fornits who dont want to talk about certain issues.  You seem to have a tough time with the fact that she benifited from the program.

How many fathers and daughters do you know of that sit together on myspace or facebook or any other forum posting side by side?  


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[Anne Bonney]

thats a lie, and whats not fair to her is that you sent her in the first place. (if she even exists)


if she truly believed this place helped her she would be in here right next to you telling her story and how it saved her life and you two's relationship.

Geeese  everything you dont want to hear is a lie.  Is that the only way you can justify people disagreeing with you or having a different experience?  I have read plenty of people here on fornits who dont want to talk about certain issues.  You seem to have a tough time with the fact that she benifited from the program.

How many fathers and daughters do you know of that sit together on myspace or facebook or any other forum posting side by side? 


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I think you and she are a lot like my father and I.  I've said before that even with how abusive everyone agrees Straight was, my dad and I BOTH were extolling the virtues of it at every turn during and after I got out.  Hell, I was so good at it they sent me on "speaking engagements" to things like Rotary and Kiwanis.  I'd stand up there, like a good little Straightling and talk about how awful jmy life was before, how grateful I am now and how wonderful my life is since finding Straight and how every kid could potentially benefit from its structure and tough love.  My father still did for years after I woke up.   The hold these cults have on people is strong and lasting......as is the damage.

[The Monsters]

no, everything that you cover UP is a lie.


There are tons of people wo DON'T want to talk about it... but thoes are the people who want to foget it happened. The people like yourself and your "daughter" parade it about like some marvelous miracle cure and take pictures with staff that once fucked with them and attend retreats and post sing along camp like propaganda on youtube.  You are the one on here promoting them, supporting them, applauding them... Not your daughter.

You hide behind the "confidentiality clause" that so many including PV hide behind when anyone who really is digging asks for instances and situations involving how the kids were "bad".

For you it's one excuss after another.

we don't believe not because we don't want to. We don't believe because we have see what you are doing before and we know this song and dance so well we could probably come on as a guest and convince you we were parents that had our child cured or even a PV staff if we really wanted to.

We know these people Who because we lived with these people,  ate with them, worked wth them, and slept in the same room as them. When you spend that much time with a person you tend to learn and pick up on the bullshit.

[Anne Bonney]

no, everything that you cover UP is a lie.


There are tons of people wo DON'T want to talk about it... but thoes are the people who want to foget it happened. The people like yourself and your "daughter" parade it about like some marvelous miracle cure and take pictures with staff that once fucked with them and attend retreats and post sing along camp like propaganda on youtube.  You are the one on here promoting them, supporting them, applauding them... Not your daughter.

You hide behind the "confidentiality clause" that so many including PV hide behind when anyone who really is digging asks for instances and situations involving how the kids were "bad".

For you it's one excuss after another.

we don't believe not because we don't want to. We don't believe because we have see what you are doing before and we know this song and dance so well we could probably come on as a guest and convince you we were parents that had our child cured or even a PV staff if we really wanted to.

We know these people Who because we lived with these people,  ate with them, worked wth them, and slept in the same room as them. When you spend that much time with a person you tend to learn and pick up on the bullshit.

I'm gonna keep saying it til they come back!!   I want my emoticons!!!!  This needs one of the 'not worthy', bowing guys. 

Very well put!

[Nihilanthic]

This thread and the who's legal ploys and attempts to derail, attack others, and basically be a dick is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

Really, I say he should be banned and he calls me racist.

LOL. Good one.

[Froderik]

Anne- So much for those "short and sweet replies" to the Who, eh? LOL!

[Ursus]

Water the flowers, little chickadees...

:sue:

[Anne Bonney]

Anne- So much for those "short and sweet replies" to the Who, eh? LOL!

I don't think they've been overly lengthy, but point taken.  Couldn't help myself.  And while I realize it may not be as poignant as "the who is a nigger",  I feel I at least got a point across. 

But again, point taken.

[TheWho]

There are tons of people wo DON'T want to talk about it... but thoes are the people who want to foget it happened.

Yes there are.  I wouldn’t want to remember , maybe, if we had a bad experience

The people like yourself and your "daughter" parade it about like some marvelous miracle cure and take pictures with staff that once fucked with them and attend retreats and post sing along camp like propaganda on youtube.

Wow, I would like to see those posts!!  Hmmmm!  If you don’t produce them do we all get to call you a liar?

You are the one on here promoting them, supporting them, applauding them... Not your daughter.

Yes, I am.. I have been very up front about that.

You hide behind the "confidentiality clause" that so many including PV hide behind when anyone who really is digging asks for instances and situations involving how the kids were "bad".

No, you are new here, we all respect each others amount of information each of us is willing to share or is comfortable sharing.  If someone doesn’t feel like sharing certain information we don’t push here or assume they are hiding something.  Give yourself some time and read more posts you will see I am not much different (in this respect ) as many others here are.

For you it's one excuss after another.

I don’t make excuses.. I will be as candid as I can.

we don't believe not because we don't want to. We don't believe because we have see what you are doing before and we know this song and dance so well we could probably come on as a guest and convince you we were parents that had our child cured or even a PV staff if we really wanted to.

Maybe you could, but I have seen plenty of people come on here and convince you of their survivor stories… hook line and sinker.

We know these people Who because we lived with these people,  ate with them, worked wth them, and slept in the same room as them. When you spend that much time with a person you tend to learn and pick up on the bullshit.

I know what you mean and that’s how it is when you are a parent.  You know your child well.  You know if the stories are true or not.  You know by the tone in their voice if they are in trouble…. I know what other parents are going thru and it is very obvious by many posts here that you don’t have a clue about what parents go thru…. So there is a little we can learn from each other .  Try to keep an open mind and continue to learn about the industry, recognize the changes as they occur and try to determine which programs are good and which are potentially abusive.  We are all in a good position to help other families make better decisions.


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