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Re: Ban TheWho?
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2008, 05:27:36 PM »
The non slashy version.

Quote from: "psy"
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That "someone" who let him back was none other than Psy himself, one of his first major policy changes as admin. Since then, Psy has implemented other changes including but not limited to: outing the identities of posters
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posting Internet Protocol Addresses (IP) of guests
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threatening multiple posters with police action and bragging to one he could "get him arrested" whenever he wanted.
One poster... and I had no legal choice.  I also didn't call the cops, nor did I have any intention of doing so.

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Psy is pro-censorhip and has the agenda of making this forum "safe for parents". TheWho is a parent maybe that's why he un-banned him despite protest. According to Psy, fornits would better serve the community as an advocacy group, rather than a bastion of freedom of speech related to the Troubled Teen Industry.  Fornits as it once was, is dead and dying. Struggling Teens 2 has since taken it place with Psy at the helm, and Ginger too cynical or bored to notice or care, can we really blame her?

Right... the TTI is, and likely will always be unmoderated.  Creating more boards (such as YLF) that are moderated does not restrict anybody's existing rights to free speech.  Creating a blog that appeals to parents, and forums that can provide our side of he story, can help to keep kids out of programs. Ultimately, unfortunately, parents do hold the keys.

You are right Psy, I should ammend that. You attempt to out posters, but manage to fail due to your own incompetence and paranoia. You attempted to out theWho which everybody saw for themselves, no explanation needed for that.

I am just posting recent examples for the sake of the new people.

Here is an example of when you attempt to out a poster known as Milk. Nowhere in these Guest's posts did they indicate they were the person known as Milk. You just assumed they were, and went ahead and made threats against the person you assumed it was. You would of known for sure but they were using a proxy. The only way to defend against Psy's threatening behavior at this point is to proxy up, apparently.

From Forum Open Free for All: Topic: psy threatens to call the cops on chatroom user
Quote from: "psy"
Quote from: "A voice from Nowhere"
Someone says "kids should take out staff then free themsleves from bondage" and psy threatens to call the cops? Something is wrong with that, has the policy on this board changed?

Go back to no admins if this kid wants to call the cops on stupid little things like this. I think they were right, you are a faggot for doing this Psy. I am really disappointed with your pro-LEO/Scheff-like activity.

Milk.  Please stop impersonating survivors whilst simultaneously spouting quotes from Anonymous.  You don't understand the psychology of what is going on here and come off sounding like a complete idiot.  Hate solves little but creating more hate.  Gunning down a program will only convince the world of what the programs are already trying to portray us as: a bunch of psychos.  It sounds great, and awfully romantic, nice to fantasize about (hey... i know parents who do), but ultimately counterproductive.  Why don't I say it's unethical?  Because you don't understand that concept.  To you, it's just a game and as you've said so aptly, hatred is "yummy".

Yes, anger has it's purpose, but it can't fuel you forever, you'll burn out.  It can consume you, control you.  Trust me on this.  You seem to thrive on it since it's all a game to you...  Well.  I'm not amused.  Impersonating survivors (badly) and suggesting acts of mass murder can solve a social problem like the TTI ... I don't find it very funny at all.  You might say "yay.. i caused that" when somebody follows your idiotic advice...  People are just funny little tools to you.  I seriously doubt you'd have the balls to grab a rifle and do the job yourself.

Go away, please, or I'll post that chat where you suggested that I was worthless, had no life, and should go massacre a program ("kill them all" are the exact words you used, so don't try and claim you didn't mean to "take them out" (to dinner) like you did earlier today.  As I've said, you made far too many mistakes.  I don't normally log chats, but I do when I feel somebody is potentially mentally unstable enough to go off the deep end (like you did today).  I still have quite a few aces up my sleeve, Milk, and i am in a position to decimate you if I wanted to (and that includes having you arrested).  Tor nodes can't save you from chat transcripts.  I don't want to do it, but if you don't stay the fuck off this site and stop impersonating survivors, I won't hesitate.  I only have so much pity.

Toodles!


From topic Web Forum Hosting: Topic: I want this person... page 2

Posting IP's you do as Guest as to allow deniability, but the writing style is suspiciously similar to yours. Also, who else would have access to IPs?

":roll: Fuck it.

Here, Zen. It's not a PERSON, but this should be amusing to you:

68.155.17.221

Not only are they program trash, they're lying program trash. 

Have fun and learn how to use your computer. "



There are too many instances of Psy confirming identities of guest posters to find and post. Someone asks Psy, is that the same person as this, and psy will answer them, using his ability to spot IP's to do so.

Other changes Psy has implemented include stickying topics he thinks are more important than traditional forum bumps would show. Moving forums around to stack his forums on top, even though they are slower and nobody posts in them. Using fornits for his agenda, and his personal war against Sue Scheff and Isabelle Zehnder without any care of the legal blow-back he causes. Heavily censoring the shoutbox. Removing guests ability to post in shoutbox. Deleting his own guest posts. Deleting other guests posts that question why posts are being deleted.


"One poster... and I had no legal choice.  I also didn't call the cops, nor did I have any intention of doing so."

Two posters, psy. You threatened the shoutbox user who said kids need to run away and not let staff get in their way, and then this Milk person. Two different users you threatened with direct law enforcement action.

Guest said this:

[Today at 04:36:00 PM] guest-6d53: kids should take out staff then free themsleves from bondage

[Today at 04:36:21 PM] guest-6d53: they should do what they need to do


This is what you said to them:

[Today at 04:40:44 PM] psy: Look.  If you're publicly promiting comitting violent acts, i'll have to check what my legal responsibilities are.  I might have to report this to the appropriate authorities.


[Today at 04:43:14 PM] psy: oh... I'm just saying that I might have to take that IP address, poster 6d53, and give it to the authorities... I doubt they'd interpret "rise up and take them out" as anything other than what you stated it to be.

After you banned the person and someone else questioned why you did that, you claimed you did it because:

[Today at 03:50:01 PM]  psy: er...  I'll explain why I did it..
[Today at 03:50:19 PM]  psy: mostly it was to make the person piss in his or her pants about what they were stupid enough to type without a proxy
[Today at 03:50:25 PM]  psy: lol
[Today at 03:52:33 PM]  psy: yeah... and they can't read this since I banned em from reading and posting... so he/she is probably biting nails, wondering if the cops are comign.. lol
[Today at 03:53:13 PM]  psy: Oh.. i could have actually called the cops...  lol


This is what you said to poster #2 (who you thought was Milk) in a completely different conversation an context:

Quote from: ""Psy"
As I've said, you made far too many mistakes.  I don't normally log chats, but I do when I feel somebody is potentially mentally unstable enough to go off the deep end (like you did today).  I still have quite a few aces up my sleeve, Milk, and i am in a position to decimate you if I wanted to (and that includes having you arrested).



I think this addresses your questions for clarification of my criticism's of your fascist admin policies. Since you agree with my last paragraph that you are pro-censorship and forcing a pro-parent slant to he forum, I see no need to confirm these with links, as you have admitted to them freely.
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Re: Ban TheWho?
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2008, 05:30:19 PM »
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Since you agree with my last paragraph that you are pro-censorship and forcing a pro-parent slant to he forum, I see no need to confirm these with links, as you have admitted to them freely.





I can see a lot of what you're saying, with the exception of him enforcing a 'pro-parent slant to the forum'.  That I don't get, but I haven't been on every day lately, so I could be missing something.
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Re: Ban TheWho?
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2008, 05:32:28 PM »
I can only say that I didn't post that Ip. Ever consider the possibility it might not have actually been the IP of the poster in question?  Send a PM to ginger if you think it was me who did it...  Go ahead, embarrass your dumbass self.
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Re: Ban TheWho?
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2008, 05:35:50 PM »
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ROFL. www.encyclopediadramatica.com is not a "jewish hate site" or a pornographic site either. And see, he's attacking ME, not what I have to say. See the first post in the thread, guys.

But honestly, when you're not speaking the truth, your point is invalid anyway....

Ha,Ha,  nice job.. not that web site (thats the dishonesty I was talking about).  I am talking about the links you provided everyone which took them to a web site depicting jews in different light, making fun of their facial features, various slur names they can be called etc. you also posted plenty of pornography every time I (or others) boxed you in a corner or you lost an argument.
People who have been here for a few months or more remember them.

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"Hold me accountable"? LOL. What Im a bad boy to be punished and there's some fucking enforced law of accountability? You're a programmie and then some, and if you were speaking honestly we wouldn't have a problem. Your attacks on us, derailing of conversations, manipulation and attempts to justify things with bullshit is not keeping dialog honest, you're stopping dialog and dictating to people your own spin on things.

You have never been to a program, Niles, yet you speak with a megaphone.  People like myself need to stick around to keep you honest and insure you disseminate the right information of your second hand knowledge.

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Keeping paid liars from manipulating and twisting people into sending kids to programs is not stopping free speech.

What was it you were crying about a few paragraphs above… oh yes “And see, he's attacking ME, not what I have to say….”  You complain and belly ache if someone attacks you yet you openly label and name others… you are a joke, Niles.

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What is done to kids in your programs is the prevention of free speech - why not tell us how you are for free speech but censoring communication between kids and parents, asshole?
The programs I talk about allow communication between the family and the child.  You just tend to not hear that, Niles, because it doesn’t feed your need to dump your hatred.
Why are you even here anyway?



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Re: Ban TheWho?
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2008, 05:46:44 PM »
I'm putting myself on Bans with the Troubled Teen Industry board while TheWho remains on it.  I'll post in the YLF board. It's too stressful for me to watch TheWho pick up clients ("help" parents, and their kids), and arguing with him has proven pointless as he'll just "forget" what you said two posts previously and repeat the same debunked absurd statements.  He's manually posting spam, in my opinion.  It's nothing but advertising.
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Re: Ban TheWho?
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2008, 05:52:25 PM »
dont do it psy... you need to stay
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Re: Ban TheWho?
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2008, 05:55:30 PM »
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Ha,Ha,  nice job.. not that web site (thats the dishonesty I was talking about).  I am talking about the links you provided everyone which took them to a web site depicting jews in different light, making fun of their facial features, various slur names they can be called etc. you also posted plenty of pornography every time I (or others) boxed you in a corner or you lost an argument.
People who have been here for a few months or more remember them.

a) I never did such a thing about jews.
b) I posted a picture of an ape 50 times over and a clip from a porn when I got tired of you.
c) I've yet to see you win an arguement.

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You have never been to a program, Niles, yet you speak with a megaphone.  People like myself need to stick around to keep you honest and insure you disseminate the right information of your second hand knowledge.

You have never been to a program, and have no proof they work, and you speak with a megaphone, so why are you sticking around?

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What was it you were crying about a few paragraphs above… oh yes “And see, he's attacking ME, not what I have to say….”   You complain and belly ache if someone attacks you yet you openly label and name others… you are a joke, Niles.

Yet again you're attacking me instead of proving ANYTHING you have to say.

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The programs I talk about allow communication between the family and the child.  You just tend to not hear that, Niles, because it doesn’t feed your need to dump your hatred.
Why are you even here anyway?

No, they do not allow it, we know they don't allow it.
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Re: Ban TheWho?
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2008, 05:58:44 PM »
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I'm putting myself on Bans with the Troubled Teen Industry board while TheWho remains on it.  I'll post in the YLF board. It's too stressful for me to watch TheWho pick up clients ("help" parents, and their kids), and arguing with him has proven pointless as he'll just "forget" what you said two posts previously and repeat the same debunked absurd statements.  He's manually posting spam, in my opinion.  It's nothing but advertising.

Damn it psy, dont pull a Hillary to try to sway the vote.  Also we both know I am not being paid so cut the drama.  If I get banned you will just accuse the next person who comes on here and disagrees with you that they are getting paid too.

Why not make forums which require memberships to get in, that way I wont be able to post there... The Elks club, Knights of Columbus, KKK etc. do it so they can pick and choose who gets accepted and then everyone thinks alike and you can get your business done with out anyone bringing any new ideas to muck up the place like me.
 Call it  "TheWho free" forum and I wont enter it.  I will just stay in the TTI forum.



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Re: Ban TheWho?
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2008, 06:04:28 PM »
Quote from: "Nihilanthic"
Yet again you're attacking me instead of proving ANYTHING you have to say.
Oh, playing the victim again Niles, is that why you are here.  You started this thread, I didn’t.  I am not attacking anyone.

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No, they do not allow it, we know they don't allow it.

Niles, this is exactly why I stick around, because of comments like this.  Many of the schools do allow communication between the kids and their parents… I know this first hand.
You are a dangerous person and you are spreading lies to parents who are reading.



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Re: Ban TheWho?
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2008, 06:06:59 PM »
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Damn it psy, dont pull a Hillary to try to sway the vote.  Also we both know I am not being paid so cut the drama.  If I get banned you will just accuse the next person who comes on here and disagrees with you that they are getting paid too.

The problem is not disagreement. The problem is what you do and how you do it, which I am not repeating in this thread.

Again, do it without lies bullshit or manipulative discussion-destroying ploys, or loading the language, and we won't have a problem.

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Why not make forums which require memberships to get in, that way I wont be able to post there... The Elks club, Knights of Columbus, KKK etc. do it so they can pick and choose who gets accepted and then everyone thinks alike and you can get your business done with out anyone bringing any new ideas to muck up the place like me.
 Call it  "TheWho free" forum and I wont enter it.  I will just stay in the TTI forum.

And yet again you spin, bullshit, and try to make implications and you will in the future deny doing so.
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Re: Ban TheWho?
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2008, 06:08:54 PM »
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Niles, this is exactly why I stick around, because of comments like this.  Many of the schools do allow communication between the kids and their parents… I know this first hand.
You are a dangerous person and you are spreading lies to parents who are reading.





By your own admission you only have personal knowledge about 2 places and I don't believe you even then, given your record here of lies, manipulation, twisting, deflecting and selling.  But that's just me.
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Re: Ban TheWho?
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2008, 06:30:52 PM »
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Niles, this is exactly why I stick around, because of comments like this.  Many of the schools do allow communication between the kids and their parents… I know this first hand.
You are a dangerous person and you are spreading lies to parents who are reading.





By your own admission you only have personal knowledge about 2 places and I don't believe you even then, given your record here of lies, manipulation, twisting, deflecting and selling.  But that's just me.



Thats one more than you (if you really did go to straight) and 2 moe than Niles....   Plus your record of foul mouth, lies, deflection and selling... not to mention Niles and his hatred towards Jews /Blacks and the posting of pornography.


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Re: Ban TheWho?
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2008, 06:33:46 PM »
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Thats one more than you (if you really did go to straight) and 2 moe than Niles....   Plus your record of foul mouth, lies, deflection and selling... not to mention Niles and his hatred towards Jews /Blacks and the posting of pornography.

ROFLMAO
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Re: Ban TheWho?
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2008, 06:34:47 PM »
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I can only say that I didn't post that Ip. Ever consider the possibility it might not have actually been the IP of the poster in question?  Send a PM to ginger if you think it was me who did it...  Go ahead, embarrass your dumbass self.

I have to back psy on this point, as I too contacted Ginger, and that is exactly what she told me as well. Namely, that the IP# contained in that post was the IP# from which it was posted.

Someone was just trying to screw around with everyone's heads here.
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Re: Ban TheWho?
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2008, 06:35:24 PM »
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Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
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Niles, this is exactly why I stick around, because of comments like this.  Many of the schools do allow communication between the kids and their parents… I know this first hand.
You are a dangerous person and you are spreading lies to parents who are reading.





By your own admission you only have personal knowledge about 2 places and I don't believe you even then, given your record here of lies, manipulation, twisting, deflecting and selling.  But that's just me.



Thats one more than you (if you really did go to straight) and 2 moe than Niles....   Plus your record of foul mouth, lies, deflection and selling... not to mention Niles and his hatred towards Jews /Blacks and the posting of pornography.


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Look above.. You said "many of the programs...I know first hand".    By your own admission you only know "first hand" of 2 and even those are from an outside parents point of view....vastly different from what really goes on that you're not privvy to.
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