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Due to TheWho making this thread suck I will now cutebomb.
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« Reply #46 on: November 26, 2007, 10:11:16 PM »
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Ah, I understand what everyone is talking about (Ding,Ding,Ding) Restraint is being defined as a chemical restraint or a person being medicated 3 times per day for a month = 90+ times.  I was going to say.. Dam.. trying to get these kids into poseys every morning after breakfast... then again after Lunch... then again after Dinner would take an army of staff and a dedicated room to store, name and install/uninstall all these poseys.



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« Reply #47 on: November 26, 2007, 11:24:57 PM »
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Ah, I understand what everyone is talking about (Ding,Ding,Ding) Restraint is being defined as a chemical restraint or a person being medicated 3 times per day for a month = 90+ times.  I was going to say.. Dam.. trying to get these kids into poseys every morning after breakfast... then again after Lunch... then again after Dinner would take an army of staff and a dedicated room to store, name and install/uninstall all these poseys.



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Don't make light of this.

Reset your "dinger", friend, you're off the mark...You're not normally this obtuse, or do you need to delude yourself about this?  The 98 restraints include physical, chemical and mechanical.  Settle's been reading off the dosages of some of the meds, and I have to wonder if the doctor signing off on the med sheets even bothered to read them.  A few of these meds I've got to look up, but the ones I recognize were being given to her in one big toxic cocktail.  Any one a doctor?  I'd like to know if any of these mental sludge producers are contraindicated.

And for fuck's sake, Whootie, change your user name to a different band, you're killing me.  Why can't you be ABBA, or Air Supply, or the Captain and Tennile?  Last night my wife was playing Quadrophenia and I freaked and started screaming "I don't want to see your goddamn raw data tables!" and tore the CD out of the player, right in the middle of "Dirty Jobs"...  I guess that song made me think of you.

I would rather associate you with "Muskrat Love" or "Fernando".
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\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #48 on: November 27, 2007, 03:46:48 AM »
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Injections as threats

Concerns about overmedicated kids are being heard nationwide

...A children's psychiatric hospital in Louisville, Ky., was chastised in 2003 for giving drugs to children before they could cause problems sometimes while still asleep. Kids who refused to take pills were told they would receive a shot of Thorazine.[/color]



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\"Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech, unless it be by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing\" - The Qur\'an

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A PV counselor\'s description of his job:

\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #49 on: November 27, 2007, 08:47:53 AM »
here's something interesting - "Legal Strategies to Challenge Chemical Restraint of Children in Foster Care"

Theoretically this could be applied to any institution acting in loco parentis - fyi

http://www.naccchildlaw.org/training/do ... traint.pdf
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« Reply #50 on: November 27, 2007, 08:55:31 AM »
& this is from a monitoring agency in Montana -

if there are any facilities there - this would also apply.

http://www.cwla.org/programs/behavior/statefiles/mt.htm

more specifically - I highlighted the importance passages which outline -

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The administrator of the child care agency which uses mechanical restraint or a person designated by that administrator must authorize each use of mechanical restraint. Each authorization shall be for one-half hour only. No child shall be kept in mechanical restraint for more than 2 hours in any 12-hour period.


Any child who needs to be mechanically restrained for more than 2 hours in any 12-hour period shall be transferred to an acute care psychiatric facility.
A residential treatment center which uses chemical restraint shall ensure that such restraint is administered by intramuscular injection by a person qualified and trained in the administration of intramuscular injections.
A child who is capable of accepting an oral administration of chemical restraint shall not be deemed to require chemical restraint.
A residential treatment center which uses emergency chemical restraint shall ensure that each administration of chemical restraint is specifically ordered by a physician who has personally examined the child.
There shall not be standing orders related to the use of chemical restraint.
A physician shall authorize each use of chemical restraint prior to the administering of such restraint.


In effect, it cut down or eliminate the vast majority of restarints - because they must be signed off on qualified medical personnel and there is also a grievance procedure.

The vast majority of restraints, physical or chemical, are done by unqualified staff (HS graduates at best) - if facilities were federally regulated like long term care facilities (ie nursing homes) - they would be singing a very different tune.
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« Reply #51 on: November 27, 2007, 09:03:36 AM »
& this is from Ohio - again, I highlighted the pertinent data in the summary findings - this is from ohio state gov - not some private interest group.


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Summary Statements
This informal survey found that children in Ohio's residential facilities are being secluded and restrained on a daily basis.
Seventeen of the 18 facilities that have 10 or more beds seclude and restrain children.
The average seclusion and restraint across all facilities lasted 12.3 minutes with a range of 5.2 minutes to 75.5 minutes.
Assuming that the one month snapshot that OLRS took is a typical month, there will be over 9000 seclusion and restraint episodes in these 18 residential facilities over the course of a year.
The average seclusion and restraint time in one facility for the month of May in 2001 was over 75 minutes.
One facility with 12 beds had 172 seclusion and restraints in a one month time frame in 2001.
There was a 52 per cent decrease in the use of seclusion and restraint over the past year in the four targeted facilities reviewed by OLRS in 2000 and 2001.
Few facilities have a policy against the use of seclusion and restraint.
Some facilities have written policies to reduce the use of seclusion and restraint.

Just an caveat, statistics are a tricky thing; marketers use statistics to skew the facts - some pro-program person might say the average restraint is 12.3 minutes - buts that for each children, each and every day.
Don't let someone (TheWho specifically) try to argue numbers - facts are facts.

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Effects of Restraints on Children
Children are re-traumatized by the experience.
Children die while in restraints.
Children are injured—rug burns to broken bones.
Children lose trust for staff and lose their sense of safety.
Seclusion and Restraints scare children and make them more angry.
It is embarrassing to be secluded and restrained.


http://olrs.ohio.gov/ASP/pub_3_PhysicalRestraint.asp
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« Reply #52 on: November 27, 2007, 09:24:49 AM »
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« Reply #53 on: November 27, 2007, 12:28:35 PM »
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Well I have been counting thru my restraint logs.. so far 98 restraints in less than a 6 month period... BASTARDS....


See above ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^that's pretty vague. No, I have never been chemically restrained. I think I was threatened with that action before though? I have to say, at that point, I did not continue the behavior that was causing them to threaten me with that action. Due to the fact, I did not like needles.

I'm surprised though, that it never did happen. There were some injuries I did cause to staff during the times they were restraining me (which resulted in them having to go to the hospital) that maybe if they had injected me with something, perhaps they wouldn't have gotten hurt?

Anyway, I would love to know when Settle finishes with the logs to let us know which of her restraints were physical, which were chemical, and the combination in which they were done on a daily basis.
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« Reply #54 on: November 27, 2007, 12:32:42 PM »
This group has a mental health division (for non-autistic kids who have been restrained) - though it is primarily for autistic kids. They have resources and links to civil rights organizations -


http://users.1st.net/cibra/
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« Reply #55 on: November 27, 2007, 12:32:52 PM »
Here is an example of one of my restraints:
Mechanical restraint started at 1:55 PM. Mechanical restraint DCed at 9:55 PM. thats 7 hours of being tied down. 5 Mgs of Haldol, 50 Mgs of Benadryl, and 15 Mgs of Zyprexa Zydis administered at 5:10 PM.
Restrain using body net.
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« Reply #56 on: November 27, 2007, 12:35:37 PM »
That's illegal, BTW.

I can give you the reg's in TN on restraints. I will be PM'ing you soon.
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« Reply #57 on: November 27, 2007, 12:38:24 PM »
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Here is an example of one of my restraints:
Mechanical restraint started at 1:55 PM. Mechanical restraint DCed at 9:55 PM. thats 7 hours of being tied down. 5 Mgs of Haldol, 50 Mgs of Benadryl, and 15 Mgs of Zyprexa Zydis administered at 5:10 PM.
Restrain using body net.


What had you done to be restrained mechanically for 8 hours? Do you even remember? What is a body net?
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« Reply #58 on: November 27, 2007, 12:40:45 PM »
If you were never in a body net, or never had a child in a body net, or have never been chemically restrained you have no business being here.

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« Reply #59 on: November 27, 2007, 12:42:29 PM »
You can contact these organziation in TN since they don't have reg's on restraints (sorry, my bad - I doubled checked)

If anyone has been to a facility in TN, these 2 groups are helpful.

http://tndisability.org/news/2007/11/14 ... -children/

http://www.dce-tn.org/
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