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« Reply #75 on: November 27, 2007, 03:27:22 PM »
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If you dose a person with 15 mg of Zyprexa for the purpose of calming them down addressing an immediate behavior issue we can consider that a "Chemical Restraint"

If you dose a person with 15 mg of Zeprexa as part of a daily treatment or prescribed routine then this would not be considered a restraint .


& you are giving this opinion because you are an MD - or health care practioner -  because otherwise, it's hearsay.

It's about intent - if you are dosing someone and it's interfering with their ability to function - that's a restraint. people are restarined at high doeses and low doses, it depnds on the the patient and metobolism.

You are a not a doctor and you don't know anything about this.
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« Reply #76 on: November 27, 2007, 03:51:46 PM »
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If you dose a person with 15 mg of Zyprexa for the purpose of calming them down addressing an immediate behavior issue we can consider that a "Chemical Restraint"

If you dose a person with 15 mg of Zeprexa as part of a daily treatment or prescribed routine then this would not be considered a restraint .

& you are giving this opinion because you are an MD - or health care practioner -  because otherwise, it's hearsay.

It's about intent - if you are dosing someone and it's interfering with their ability to function - that's a restraint. people are restarined at high doeses and low doses, it depnds on the the patient and metobolism.

You are a not a doctor and you don't know anything about this.


I didn’t see where anyone was claiming to be a doctor... this is a discussion about Restraints... feel free to add something... do some research on your own and try to bring something to the table besides criticism.

Here is a definition:

"The concept of chemical restraint hinges on whether an agent is given as a part of the treatment of the patient's condition or simply to control the patient's behavior."

Remove the amount of dosage for a minute (I think that is what may be confusing you)...  the amount is determined by many factors, one of which you stated.... what this is saying is if a person is being perscribed a dosage based on a condition then we can all this a treatment... if a person is being given a dosage to control a persons behavior then we should call this a restraint.
It is a fine line, but there also is a distinction.


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« Reply #77 on: November 27, 2007, 04:02:36 PM »
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I agree with the Who in regards to being careful when you say you were being chemically restrained. It could have been treatment you were receiving?

quoting for truth - the fact she can't read.

TheWho didn't say to be careful, i told him to be careful

oy vey, you are an idiot.


We've talked about patients being medicated, and we've talked about chemical restraint. I just am trying to figure out which is which. I understand it was you almighty powerful one that told the Who to be careful. But, I think you need to be careful in what you are calling chemical restraint VS. treatment.

You do understand there is a difference between the two, right? Please tell me you do!!!! If not, it is you that is the idiot, LOL!!!!!!!
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« Reply #78 on: November 27, 2007, 04:10:36 PM »
PV will claim "clinical necessity" - that's when the expert testimony of a Psychiatrist will be necessary.  98 restraints in six months with a steady flow of noxious sludge that would put Keith Richards into a coma under the guise of "clinical necessity"....I think the necessity could be challenged. As a licensed MD said to me recently, what's appalling to you as a parent will be appalling to a Mental Health professional. Note I said "professional", and we've already shown there are very few "professionals" at PV.
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« Reply #79 on: November 27, 2007, 04:13:54 PM »
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I agree with the Who in regards to being careful when you say you were being chemically restrained. It could have been treatment you were receiving?

quoting for truth - the fact she can't read.

TheWho didn't say to be careful, i told him to be careful

oy vey, you are an idiot.

We've talked about patients being medicated, and we've talked about chemical restraint. I just am trying to figure out which is which. I understand it was you almighty powerful one that told the Who to be careful. But, I think you need to be careful in what you are calling chemical restraint VS. treatment.

You do understand there is a difference between the two, right? Please tell me you do!!!! If not, it is you that is the idiot, LOL!!!!!!!

i get all hot and hard when Ccm Goddess talks about restraints.
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« Reply #80 on: November 27, 2007, 04:21:15 PM »
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(Ding,Ding,Ding)
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(Dong, Dong, Dong)

When are you changing your name to Air Supply, dude?  Why don't you be ABBA?
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« Reply #81 on: November 27, 2007, 04:30:23 PM »
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(Ding,Ding,Ding)
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(Dong, Dong, Dong)

When are you changing your name to Air Supply, dude?  Why don't you be ABBA?


Dude, get over it Zen! The Who will always be The Who!!!!

BTW Who, what are our plans for the evening? Let me know, ASAP!
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« Reply #82 on: November 27, 2007, 04:33:03 PM »
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Dude, get over it Zen! The Who will always be The Who!!!!

BTW Who, what are our plans for the evening? Let me know, ASAP!


Never to me, child...never to me.
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« Reply #83 on: November 27, 2007, 04:35:29 PM »
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BTW Who, what are our plans for the evening? Let me know, ASAP!


back to childish, immature fantasies I see.

Gee CCM, there must be a paucity of RL events in your life.

I guess the fantasy is better than your real life. Man, it must suck to absolutely zero friends and one friend here - TheWho.

I seriously doubt whether the two of you are adults.

But then gain, maybe in your fantasy land, you like to wear diapers too.

That's about the emotional age you act like at any given time here. Anything goes for you guys.

have fun!
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« Reply #84 on: November 27, 2007, 04:39:12 PM »
Hey, I figure if you are going to get off topic in regards to the Who's user name, we could at least talk about something more interesting like what Who, and I's plans were for the night!!!! As far as having no friends......you're right I lack friends on Fornits. Boo hoo.
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« Reply #85 on: November 27, 2007, 04:42:28 PM »
do really enjoy childish here?

I mean, are you really proud of your blathering fantasy's?

& you want people to take you seriously?

You are one of the most self-aggrandizing twits (aside from TheWho) supposedly over the age of 12, I have ever had the misfortune to encounter on a forum, any forum.
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« Reply #86 on: November 27, 2007, 04:51:20 PM »
Paucity! Wow, had to look that one up! In regards to RL....I'm not sure paucity is the right word? I haven't seen him in almost 20 years?!!
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« Reply #87 on: November 27, 2007, 04:52:00 PM »
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do really enjoy childish here?

I mean, are you really proud of your blathering fantasy's?

& you want people to take you seriously?

You are one of the most self-aggrandizing twits (aside from TheWho) supposedly over the age of 12, I have ever had the misfortune to encounter on a forum, any forum.

She teases me by talking about her Who escapades on here.
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« Reply #88 on: November 27, 2007, 04:55:32 PM »
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Paucity! Wow, had to look that one up! In regards to RL....I'm not sure paucity is the right word? I haven't seen him in almost 20 years?!!


um, if you knew what paucity meant, you would'nt have made such an obviously asinine statement.

But thanks for confirming the non-existence of any meaningful conversation and an IQ on your behalf.
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« Reply #89 on: November 27, 2007, 04:57:45 PM »
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Hey, I figure if you are going to get off topic in regards to the Who's user name, we could at least talk about something more interesting like what Who, and I's plans were for the night!!!! As far as having no friends......you're right I lack friends on Fornits. Boo hoo.


What's this "you" shit?  I posted about thewho.  But while we're at it, don't you guys feel like assholes when you realize the admins know when you're trolling yourselves anonymously? You and your "we-ness"?  I think that's why Deborah considers you to be bottom-feeders.

Anyway, screw you both, PM each other.

Getting Past Resistance in Psychology With The Out-of-Control Adolescent - that's what we're discussing, and I've got the book right here, by Dr. Vance R. Sherwood, the guy who claims Peninsula Village's program is his "design".  He is the Grand Designer, and I'll pull some passages out of the last chapter, Residential Treatment of Affectively Labile Adolescents.  The last sentence of the book is the last word on PV.

"My experience further is that a low dose of antipsychotic medication is more likely to be useful, particularly during periods of crisis and regression."

They're keeping Dr. Sherwood's dream alive at PV, they just upped the dosage several notches.
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