Aspen Education's "Troubled Teen Test"

[Anne Bonney]

My responses in blue.

Good Post Anne.....  I think fornits is finally starting to soften a little.

Has your child had recurring problems due to..
 
Any traumatic events or changes in his /her life? (i.e. abuse, divorce, death,etc.)

Inability to manage anger

Most teens have a poor ability to manage anger until they mature a little.  Its very difficult to mature in a closed and isolated society.

Within the last six months, has your child:
 
Had any changes in behavior and / or mood? (i.e. sad, angry, withdrawn, etc.)

Most teens have mood swings.  BIG ones.   They're angry, sullen, moody, argumentative etc.  So what?  Be a parent and deal with it.

Exhibited depressive symptoms? (i.e. weight loss, weight gain, excessive sleep, etc.)

Most teens go through depressive periods.  Most teens experience weight loss or gain and I don't know of one teen who doesn't sleep A LOT.


Had problems getting along with others?

Typical of teens

Do you suspect that your child has used drugs or alcohol?

Typical of teens

Has your child disregarded family rules and parental guidance?

Typical of teens

Has you child been able to escape consequences due to the ability to manipulate people and situations?

Typical of teens.  They'll fix that right quick, won't they?

Had problems in school? (i.e. poor grades, challenging authority, etc.)

Typical of teens

Intentionally frightened others?

Made threatening statements in writing?

Implied that they may have a plan for violent or suicidal behavior?

Implied that they have identified a target for violence?

Been destructive to property?
 

If there are TRUE signs of suicidal or homicidal ideation GET REAL HELP!  Don't ship them off to some quack who uses unproven, degrading and coercive methods of "treatment".

The only thing that's softening is your head.  These bogus 'assessments' are ridiculous.   Those "symptoms" could fit just about any teen in America.  Oh, wait.  That's right.  You guys are on a mission to get as many kids as you can into your little mindrape mills.  More money AND you get to turn out boatloads of obedient little drones.  What fun!.

 :roll:  ::fu::

[TheWho]

Anne Bonney wrote:

The only thing that's softening is your head.

Geeeze, here we go with the personal insults again.  

These bogus 'assessments' are ridiculous. Those "symptoms" could fit just about any teen in America.

You people are so set on deceiving parents that you cant even understand an assessment test or list of symptoms.  This is a list for parents to review to see if their child may be a candidate for their school.  Any one symptom doesn’t necessarily mean the child is at-risk it merely serves as a red flag.  If a parent is concerned with their childs behavior and fits a category on the list then the schools may be able to help them.  

Let me try to simplify it for you further:

When doctors try to educate patients to be conscience of the warning signs of, say, cancer they would put out a similar list on the internet like this:

Over the past several months have you experienced any of the following symptoms:

1.   Indigestion or difficulty in swallowing.
2.   Change in bowel or bladder habits
3.   Cough that  persist for more than 2 weeks.
4.   tiredness and /or weight loss
5.   Persistent pain or discomfort in the abdomen
6.   Fever
7.   swelling that has progressively enlarged

Any one of these symptoms doesn’t mean you have cancer and that you should go directly onto kemo, they are warning signs and should be listened to and you may want to consult a doctor.  They are not alarming the public, but merely educating them and trying to help.

The same applies to the list of warning signs for struggling teens.  I think it is a good list, don’t try to read too far into it.  If a child has a problem in these areas they need to consult a professional to have the child assessed, (the schools will tell you this, prior to applying).

Oh, wait. That's right. You guys are on a mission to get as many kids as you can into your little mindrape mills. More money AND you get to turn out boatloads of obedient little drones. What fun!.

Lots of sarcasm and anger, sorry you were hurt by the industry, Anne, but there is a lot of good being done today and it would be a shame to deny parents information which could help their children.  They need to be careful and listen to the warning signs and this applies to choosing a school also.



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[Anne Bonney]

Lots of sarcasm and anger, sorry you were hurt by the industry, Anne, but

Where someone like you is concerned???  You bet your ass.

there is a lot of good being done today

Prove it.

and it would be a shame to deny parents information which could help their children.  They need to be careful and listen to the warning signs and this applies to choosing a school also.

Parents need to do their job and quit outsourcing it to un-qualified strangers using un-proven and questionable methods of treatment.



Now, how 'bout let's talk about Bain Capital???

[Anonymous]

TheWho, a troll on his very own channel.

[TheWho]

Anne Bonney wrote:

Where someone like you is concerned??? You bet your ass.

You see you can act as rude as you want to parents here, but as soon as I say something to you, you start crying foul.  "The who is bashing survivors again!!!  He should be banned, he has no respect for us" Ha,Ha,Ha

Prove it.

It is being proven every day and every year as thousands of kids are moving onto some of the top colleges in the country  from these TBS’s.

Parents need to do their job and quit outsourcing it to un-qualified strangers using un-proven and questionable methods of treatment.

Of course they do, we all learn this from the first time parents place their child in a day care or utilize a babysitter, choose a pediatrician or private school.  I don’t think any parent sends their kids to unqualified people with questionable methods.
In this case parents need to talk to other parents who had kids graduate from the schools and then meet with the staff who will be working with your child.  The same as you would in any other circumstance.



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[Anonymous]

It is being proven every day and every year as thousands of kids are moving onto some of the top colleges in the country from these TBS’s.

This, ladies and gentlefucks, is what is known as BULLSHIT.

I don’t think any parent sends their kids to unqualified people with questionable methods.

::roflmao::

Can we get his title changed to Baghdad Bob yet?

[Botched Programming]

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_____________________________________________________
Am I an Addict? Revised
This is NA Fellowship-approved literature.
Copyright © 1983, 1988 by
Narcotics Anonymous World Services, Inc.
All rights reserved
 

 
Am I an Addict?

Only you can answer this question.

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[Anne Bonney]

You see you can act as rude as you want to parents here, but as soon as I say something to you, you start crying foul.  "The who is bashing survivors again!!!  He should be banned, he has no respect for us" Ha,Ha,Ha

I have never advocated for banning you.  In fact, I've said that I see no reason to (not that it would do any good anyway).  But feel free to lie again and lump me in with everyone else.

It is being proven every day and every year as thousands of kids are moving onto some of the top colleges in the country  from these TBS’s.

Really?  Any clinical data or research to back any of that up?  No?  Color me shocked.
 :roll:





I see you responded to everything EXCEPT the question about BAIN CAPITAL.  Wanna try again?

[TheWho]

Anne Bonney wrote:

Any clinical data or research to back any of that up?

Talk to the parents who had kids graduate from the schools, visit the schools themselves.  When kids are about ready to get an operation parents don’t wade thru piles of clinical trials.. they speak to the professionals and talk to the doctor who will be working with their child


I must have missed it, did you say you provided proof the schools were ineffective?  No?  didn’t think so…..



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[Anne Bonney]

Anne Bonney wrote:

Any clinical data or research to back any of that up?

Talk to the parents who had kids graduate from the schools, visit the schools themselves.  When kids are about ready to get an operation parents don’t wade thru piles of clinical trials.. they speak to the professionals and talk to the doctor who will be working with their child

So your answer is no.

I must have missed it, did you say you provided proof the schools were ineffective?  No?  didn’t think so…..

Listen carefully and read for comprehension.  THE BURDEN OF PROOF FALLS UPON YOU.  If you're going to state that these places are effective and do indeed "help", then it is incumbent upon YOU to provide proof of such claims.


Still nothing about Bain Capital huh??

[Anonymous]

"graduate" - Oops, they're not an actual school, so they can't do that. At least not in the eyes of anyone who matters, like actual colleges.
"school" - Nope. Still not an actual school.

Your attempt to liken these shitpits to activities done by real professionals fails.

Again.

As it did the last hundred times you tried it.

Nope Who- you're still not getting any referrals from anyone reading Fornits. Nor are you even beginning to slow the tide of ownaj. You fail.

[TheWho]

Anne Bonney wrote:

Any clinical data or research to back any of that up?

Talk to the parents who had kids graduate from the schools, visit the schools themselves.  When kids are about ready to get an operation parents don’t wade thru piles of clinical trials.. they speak to the professionals and talk to the doctor who will be working with their child

So your answer is no.

I must have missed it, did you say you provided proof the schools were ineffective?  No?  didn’t think so…..

Listen carefully and read for comprehension.  THE BURDEN OF PROOF FALLS UPON YOU.  If you're going to state that these places are effective and do indeed "help", then it is incumbent upon YOU to provide proof of such claims.


Still nothing about Bain Capital huh??

If you are going to state they are ineefective you are going to have to come up with some type of proof, whether it falls on someone else or not.  So I assume you have no clinical trials or studies to support your side?  Thought as much.

So what we have are no current clinical trials or studies...... so next step is to talk to the professionals, a few of the tens of thouseands of parents who had kids graduate from these schools and then visit the school and talk to the staff and people who will be working with your child.

Its important that the parents get comfortable with the people who will be helping them.



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[Anonymous]

Argue until his own words damn him, and then stop arguing.

We've reached that point on this thread, as we have two hundred others.

[TheWho]

Argue until his own words damn him, and then stop arguing.

We've reached that point on this thread, as we have two hundred others.

Hear,Hear !! I tend to agree, this is a good place to stop.  

One final note though:

I dont see why any place would want to spend time and money on clinical studies when they have people breaking the doors down to get their kids help and the success rates are thru the roof.  The time for studies will come.
The parents who demand to see a study will have to wait until the need arises or there is enough pressure or time to order one done.  I am sure, like everything else, eventually the studies will get done.



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[Botched Programming]

Hey Who... Can you enlighten us on Bain Capital??? [/color][/b][/i]