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« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2007, 02:55:51 AM »
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Nope didn't survive 10mins, but I have another idea

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Edit stamp test

Nope it just made a duplicate post

It has NOTHING to do with time.. RTFM! :

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4.2.8: Editing Posts

Editing posts allows you to go back and fix errors, remove incorrect information, or add new information to your posts. To edit a post, look at the top right corner of your post and click Edit. You will be taken to the posting form to edit your post, and then click Submit to enter it into the database. If you edit a post after it has been replied to, a small message will appear at the bottom of it indicating how many times it has been edited, and when and by whom the last edit occurred.


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« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2007, 03:36:24 AM »
Psy dear, not all "features" are detailed in the MFM, if you get my drift.
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« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2007, 04:42:41 AM »
And isn't it the Who has bragged about having tech people at his company or at least referred to it in the past? I remember him mentioning it before. Also lord forbid something like Phbbb have hacks, loopholes, or otherwise just be shitty software.

I've told you before Psy that I have a buddy who used to play around with fornits in the past. One of his claims was to have gotten into the admin forum and he looked around it for awhile.

So this isn't the most fool proof iron clad shit we are dealing with.
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« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2007, 05:43:36 AM »
Quote from: ""Rachael""
Psy dear, not all "features" are detailed in the MFM, if you get my drift.

Yes, but I've tested the edit behavior before extensively.  I'm quite sure that phpBB behaves the way it is described in the manual.  If that's true, than TheWho has a point.  As you pointed out, something doesn't fit, and I'm hoping this will be the last of it.  Sadly, it is not possible to check...  We're moving to SMF soon and that will resolve any possible problem.

Here's a phpBB official site mod's opinion:
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Quote from: ""MichaelWagner""
If an admin were worried about this, as I recall, phpbb 2 does actually know in the database tables that a moderator edited a post, but doesn't show it if it was a moderator.


Actually, it does not. Not in a plain vanilla phpbb2 installation, anyway. The only time an edit is recorded in phpBB2 is if a user edits their own post after someone else has replied. So an unscrupulous moderator (or admin) could, in fact, edit a post and there would be no trace of that activity.

If a moderator / admin edits a post of a user: no edit history
If a user edits their own post before any replies: no edit history

If a user or moderator or even an admin edits their own post after a reply: edit history is captured and displayed.

It all comes down to trust. You need to trust your moderators, you need to set guidelines as to what is expected or allowed, and you need to enforce those rules. Some of my moderators have taken to correcting spelling or grammer, and while I don't actually think it's appropriate it's never been made into a rule. If users start complaining, I will. But for now they don't seem to mind. We get a lot of international users, and since proper spelling will help when searching for similar issues down the road it does seem like it would help.

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Hmm...I fear drathburn may be right. I just looked at the tables of a live 2.21 system. The tables only have place for a last edit time and an edit count, in particular no editing user name. So it couldn't be recording a moderator edit. Sorry for the misinformation.

source: http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopi ... 5#p2963443
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« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2007, 05:47:34 AM »
And smf doesn't have any loop holes or hacks???


Oh lords... B-tards... do yah thing boys.. educate em all..

look man get your head out of the tech manual for ten seconds. Just cause mike wagner says it doesn't mean that is exactly the way it will or won't happen.

Personally I'm pissed that we are going to SMF. the format sucks and I think there are much better options avaliable. I seem to remember offering to pay for a new software on top of it.

BLEH.....

this is the forum style of software I like

www.expatkorea.com

not only is it highly adaptable the owner of that forum indicated it isn't to costly either and they have a slew of advanced options to choose from. That particular forum doesn't allow guest posting, but it can happen quite easily.
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« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2007, 06:48:14 AM »
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It doesn't matter though, we're moving to SMF anyway.  We were thinking of modifying phpbb but just figured it would be easire to wait until we switch to SMF.


I can't wait!
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« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2007, 06:56:03 AM »
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One problem is that you don't know when the other person is typing so it would be crapshoot and the edited version might get quoted (but you could hypothetically claim the quoted version was altered). I don't see many posts like that around and unless TheWho got it right on the first time i'd have to say it does look like an admin edit from a purely technical standpoint.

I'm probably going to a lot of get shit for this, but from a purely techincal standpoint, it looks like the Who is right... we won't really ever know for sure. The Who does actually have a valid point about staff feeling safe enough to post here (especially with insider info). If an admin did do this it's all the more reason to move to SMF asap.


Who says it was his first attempt? He might have tried 20 times before it worked for all we know. No, I don't believe any admins are editing his posts. I think he's very blatantly trying to discourage staff or anyone else from posting.

The funny part is, as always, a fucking programmie bitching and whining about being called bad, bad names in ascii text on the net. Bwoooohahahaha! Try that again only in real life, you're held captive against your will for an indeterminate period of time and the name calling is done at high volume  complete with spit and sweat flying, by everyone around you. And you can't walk away, these people control your ability to use a bathroom, eat, sleep or scratch your ass.

Fucking pussy! You can dish it out to defenceless children but ya just can't take even the shadow of it back at you.
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« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2007, 07:46:22 AM »
....I agree with SC about something being foul. He keeps trying to blame Deborah, Deborah?!?! We all know Deborah always post credible information with sources and when has Deborah ever tolled someone? Who has a vendetta against Deborah because her info is solid and he can't get her to call him a "cunt" or something stupid that he could point to and say "See!!!".
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« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2007, 07:50:40 AM »
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I did it!!

 I am theWho's daughter.

 When he was bent over sucking his own cock, I quickly typed a sentence over his head.

 He said he likes the way my hair smells.

If you're wondering, yes, he swallows.

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« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2007, 11:03:21 AM »
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Personally I'm pissed that we are going to SMF. the format sucks and I think there are much better options avaliable. I seem to remember offering to pay for a new software on top of it.

BLEH.....

this is the forum style of software I like

www.expatkorea.com

not only is it highly adaptable the owner of that forum indicated it isn't to costly either and they have a slew of advanced options to choose from. That particular forum doesn't allow guest posting, but it can happen quite easily.


Well why didn't ya say something before?
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« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2007, 11:15:07 AM »
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....I agree with SC about something being foul. He keeps trying to blame Deborah, Deborah?!?! We all know Deborah always post credible information with sources and when has Deborah ever tolled someone? Who has a vendetta against Deborah because her info is solid and he can't get her to call him a "cunt" or something stupid that he could point to and say "See!!!".


I read back over it and I didnt see where Deborah was brought up, except by you.
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« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2007, 11:46:32 AM »
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Quote from: ""Rachael""
Psy dear, not all "features" are detailed in the MFM, if you get my drift.

Yes, but I've tested the edit behavior before extensively.  I'm quite sure that phpBB behaves the way it is described in the manual.  If that's true, than TheWho has a point.  As you pointed out, something doesn't fit, and I'm hoping this will be the last of it.  Sadly, it is not possible to check...  We're moving to SMF soon and that will resolve any possible problem.

Here's a phpBB official site mod's opinion:
Quote
Quote from: ""MichaelWagner""
If an admin were worried about this, as I recall, phpbb 2 does actually know in the database tables that a moderator edited a post, but doesn't show it if it was a moderator.


Actually, it does not. Not in a plain vanilla phpbb2 installation, anyway. The only time an edit is recorded in phpBB2 is if a user edits their own post after someone else has replied. So an unscrupulous moderator (or admin) could, in fact, edit a post and there would be no trace of that activity.

If a moderator / admin edits a post of a user: no edit history
If a user edits their own post before any replies: no edit history

If a user or moderator or even an admin edits their own post after a reply: edit history is captured and displayed.

It all comes down to trust. You need to trust your moderators, you need to set guidelines as to what is expected or allowed, and you need to enforce those rules. Some of my moderators have taken to correcting spelling or grammer, and while I don't actually think it's appropriate it's never been made into a rule. If users start complaining, I will. But for now they don't seem to mind. We get a lot of international users, and since proper spelling will help when searching for similar issues down the road it does seem like it would help.

MichaelWagner responds:

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Hmm...I fear drathburn may be right. I just looked at the tables of a live 2.21 system. The tables only have place for a last edit time and an edit count, in particular no editing user name. So it couldn't be recording a moderator edit. Sorry for the misinformation.
source: http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopi ... 5#p2963443


Psy you are definitely not one to hop on the band wagon (so to speak).  Your honesty will pay off for you some day, I guarantee it.  It takes guts to stand up against your peers like that, you approached it logically, honestly and with researched data.  It would have been so much easier, on you and how people view you here on fornits, if you just threw me under the bus like everyone else and said:  â€œI asked around and all the admins said it wasn’t them so TheWho must be lyingâ€
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« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2007, 11:51:27 AM »
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....I agree with SC about something being foul. He keeps trying to blame Deborah, Deborah?!?! We all know Deborah always post credible information with sources and when has Deborah ever tolled someone? Who has a vendetta against Deborah because her info is solid and he can't get her to call him a "cunt" or something stupid that he could point to and say "See!!!".

I read back over it and I didnt see where Deborah was brought up, except by you.


Naw, Hanzo's right.  He brought Deborah up here:
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Look at my last post (last line) and you will see that it was altered by Deborah again. Up to her old tricks. It says:

“Oh, and one more thing...I am a real stupid asshole.â€
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« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2007, 12:06:24 PM »
Yes, I read back over the posts and I initially did accuse Deborah and I appologize for that assumption....

Sorry Deborah, I know it could have been any one of the admins, I should not have singled you out.



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« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2007, 02:19:15 PM »
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If TheWho doesn't feel comfortable posting here then he can just stop posting here.

That's also an option, you know.
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