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Offline CCM girl 1989

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« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2007, 11:47:37 PM »
I agree. There are staff that would tell you what goes on behind closed doors if they knew their information was safe. But, it's been proven time, and time again that you expose, and alter posts. Good job!
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f you were never in a program, or a parent of a child in a program, then you have no business posting here.

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« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2007, 11:59:06 PM »
the who is altering the who's posts not anyone else.
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« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2007, 12:01:03 AM »
Quote from: ""Crash Test Dummy""
Who are we to attack those who believe in the experiences they went through? A young man or woman who shows up on fornits and claims to have had a good experience is quickly labeled the following:

A) Brainwashed
B) Troll
C) Karen In Dallas in Disguise

With these accusations they are visciously attacked with porn, called all sorts of names, and called traitors.

I've done it before.. to my own shame.

You see I no longer see it important to classify programs as either good or bad. Abuse happens in programs, schools, churches, homes, regulated facilites, public bathrooms, water parks, and just about every single place imaginable. To me the greater issue lies beyond abusive programmes that are privately owned or even good programmes that are privately owned.

The distinction no longer matters to me and to those who feel they had a good experience I encourage you to discuss them.

What matters to me is that I come from a country where dogs have more rights than kids. It amused me to watch the GAO hearing and hear the bit about dogs having more rights and protection than kids. I actually told my group once that hunting dogs have more rights than children in the State of Alabama. I'll be sure to send the congressmen who scored some votes off my material a bill.

It bothers me that a kid can be sent away for treatment without the benifits of due process. It bothers the hell out of me that kids are sent away with no chance to appeal. No chance to explain their case with the help of a representative.

I believe some states, New York if I'm not mistaken, actually has a court for pets.

And we live in a country where kids can be shipped off without a chance at a fair hearing, appeals, and access to advocates?

So that is my thing and I encourage those who feel they have had a positive program experience to share them. Your insight is just as valuable as anyone elses.

Do be prepared for the scat porn and other moronic crap though. Just the nature of the beast.


I thought you came from a country that eats dogs?
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« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2007, 12:04:25 AM »
lols.. no I lived in a country that eats dogs(korea) for three years.. I was born in a country that eats babies(usa)
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« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2007, 12:45:26 AM »
Quote from: ""Crash Test Dummy""
lols.. no I lived in a country that eats dogs(korea) for three years.. I was born in a country that eats babies(usa)


 :rofl:
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Justice, Justice shall you pursue.

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« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2007, 01:24:46 AM »
Quote from: ""psy""
Remember the Milgram experiments?  The vast majority of people would electrocute others who would then scream in pain if they were told it was necessary. Those people who participated in that experiment were not held captive by any financial responsibility.  Imagine how bad the results would be if that was their job and the welfare of their family and lifestyle required it.  What did concentration camp guards do?  The mere historical existence of concentration camps should be enough proof that abusive programs can not only exist, but also easily pass undetected.  Human nature is fucked up.


In case anyone wants a refresher, Stanley Milgram, on 'Obedience':
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21676
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this is rediculous
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2007, 02:01:18 AM »
OK, I stayed out of here all day because I didn't want to squabble over this subject anymore, but I have to say this last thing, though it has been said already.  It is never OK, never, never, never OK for a legal adult to have a sexual relationship with a legal minor.  Consentual, nonconsentual, rape or not.  It is flat out wrong.  Legally wrong, morally wrong, there is no excuse.  I never said anything about CCM until she started attacking abuse victims personally, and I have never called her a foul name either unless you count shrew.  I just don't know how as a female, she can defend staff having sex with a resident in a program.  The fact she brags about having manipulated men into this situation in order to get them fired makes her a pour excuse for a human being.  Those men deserved to lose their jobs because they were dumb enough to allow themselves to be manipulated into a bad thing, but they are still ultimately responsible.  CCM, honey, any parent who read that little piece of testimony alone and still places their child in the program you were in should have their head examined, and possibly be jailed for endangerment.  That is proof, that the staff members in the facility you were in were not adult enough to know the moral boundaries that society expects of it's average citizen.  Teens are basicly sent to programs because the parents feel they are lacking in moral boundaries, why would you read that then intrust your child to people who according to someone who supports the program, have none.  It is laughable.  You just keep being the posterchild for your program, cause it is counterproductive.
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« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2007, 06:19:39 AM »
Quote from: ""CCM girl 1989""
This is the type of stuff that was being said to me:

Oh god, CMSGirly butthurt AGAIN. Forgot the astroglide or just on the rag?

Honestly. Who are you? You're a WWASPIE survivor and you were put in a litany of other programs and you're projecting your OPINIONS and experiences as a FUCKED UP TEENAGER and acting like that amounts to anything more than the opinions of a program apologetic with a ton of baggage and a habit of projecting your own shit on others, and flipping out if people have any criticism for what you say at all!

Nevermind the fact that the grievances I RESPECTFULLY brought up are 100% WRONG, period, the fact that I brought it up against one of your "approved programs" means you need to flip-out, bitch-out and wig-out and spread estrogen everywhere and PMS all over the thread because I didn't bow down to your fucking opinion.

Need a 50 waahhhhmbulance post again?



Also here is some more:


Because her parents threw her away like the worthless whore she is.



More charming words:


We will do this, we will do that, your credibility, WAH WAH WAH.

Sounds like maybe you need a good, long raping too.

And then after I'm done I'll brainwash you to like it and then you can post on Fornits how nice it was.

I'll tell you this, though: It'll take a lot less time than a couple months! So by ramming my meat into your twisted cunt I'm actually doing a lot less to you than you are to your own daughter.

Funny how that works, isn't it?



Is it okay to speak to me like this because my experiences and opinions are different then yours? I don't think it is. I say it how it is, and if you can't handle somebody being 100% honest with how they feel, and what they went through, then that is your problem.

I get attacked every time I speak out. It gets so tiring having to do the back, and forth. Like I said before, it's a full time job. I don't enjoy the attention. What I do enjoy however is being able to give parents who come on here looking for information, the right information.

Not all programs are bad.


And the shit people have been saying to CCM Girl is ok as well? Come on don't be a hypocritical twat...
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« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2007, 07:35:17 AM »
Quote from: ""TheWho""
psy, why dont you try to fix the database so this doesnt happen or talk to the other Admins:

http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=290398#290398

http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=290400#290400

or are you going to say I timed this one just right to edit it myself....  I know the answer do you?

do you think program staff will want to post here knowing posts are still being altered and I.P.s are being outed.  I know I wouldnt if I worked for a school and wanted a place to safely tell my side of the story.

Why does this continue to happen?

TheWho -- just because your posts may be getting altered here and there doesn't necessarily mean that anyone else's posts are being altered. You are an annoying douche, and if an admin gets some laughs by putting "I am an idiot" at the end of one of your posts, I say ha, ha, ha... :rofl:

Tough shit, Who.. maybe NOW you'll know what it's like to have someone put words in YOUR mouth and call you a liar!!
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« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2007, 03:15:05 PM »
Quote from: ""Nihilanthic""
It's this simple.

I asked valid questions, I got an emotionally charged response and accusations.

Now, in case you don't know, NOBODY TELL ME WHAT I CAN OR CAN NOT SAY.  :D

Also, flipping out at me is just going to make me want to piss you off more.

I'll gladly cite the fucking post that started this if I have to, but the bottom line is this:

If all you do is bitch, moan, and pull argumentative fallacies to get around answering hard questions, you shouldn't be on fornits! No matter how attached you are to your OPINIONS, facts will always take president.


Quoting until someone answers...
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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I didn't say that.
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2007, 05:11:04 PM »
I never said it was ok to be abusive to CCM girl, and I personally am not being abusive.  You can be that way with me all you want to, I am a grown up, I can take it.  Oh, and by the way, nice twist on my last name, but do you really think there is anything I haven't heard with a name like that, come on, give me a break.  I am not fighting with CCM, I was nice to her, and you call me a hypocrite for it.  Ok, so just to set it straight one more time.  I think abuse is wrong, physical, sexual, mental, any form of abuse.  I think it is even more disgusting when aimed at a child by an adult, especially an adult authority figure.  Really, do you disagree?  No one here should have to resort to personal abuse to get their point across, but since their are some among us that feel they are not capable of intelligent adult debate, go ahead and throw you abuse my direction, I can take it.
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