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« Reply #45 on: October 26, 2007, 02:12:22 AM »
I soooo totally regret that I ever brought this subject up.  ::blah::
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« Reply #46 on: October 26, 2007, 03:18:12 PM »
Maybe if you bang her, she'd listen to you and you can tell her to shut up?

 :P
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« Reply #47 on: October 26, 2007, 03:51:35 PM »
Quote from: ""Nihilanthic""
Maybe if you bang her, she'd listen to you and you can tell her to shut up?

 :P


Niles, do we need to pitch in to buy you a blow up doll, or what?!! Anyway, you all have a way of twisting my posts, and selectively choosing my words.

I do not think sexual relationships between staff, and students are okay. I said that there were times when students and staff were close in age that there were some lines that were crossed. I never said any of these people had sexual intercourse while in any of my programs. I did however say that there were a couple of students who hooked up later on with these male staff after they got out of the programs. From my memory they were 18 or darn near close to it. While the men were in their early to mid 20's.

You guys are so easy to throw out the word rape. I just think you take my words, and what I say, and blow them way out of proportion. I admitted that we girls used to play games with the male staff trying to get them to do something wrong so they would get fired. I said that was wrong of me. But, the past is the past. There is not a damn thing I can do about it.

I think that there has been abuse that has gone on in schools, and in programs. I would be a fool to say that it never happened. But, there is the other side of it too. Look, no matter where you go in life, no matter who you trust your kids with, you always run the risk of something like this happening. To blame it on a program is just insane! It happens everywhere. More on the outside, then on the inside. We all know that.

So whatever, give me all the shit you want. I think it's important that parents see all sides to this. Some of these kids are not victims. You act as if they all are. Some of them yes, but not all of them.

Sorry, but that is my opinion. I don't think that when a girl turns 18 all of a sudden it is this magical thing, and POOF she is now available to all men, of all ages. Every girl is different maturity wise. I think some of these men in there 20's are too. I know it's the law, but I disagree with it. Rape is taking someone against their will in my opinion. Not when they are late teens, and some man is in his early 20's, and it's concentual.

Whatever, I got other stuff to do. See ya!
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« Reply #48 on: October 26, 2007, 04:10:17 PM »
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I think that there has been abuse that has gone on in schools, and in programs. I would be a fool to say that it never happened. But, there is the other side of it too. Look, no matter where you go in life, no matter who you trust your kids with, you always run the risk of something like this happening. To blame it on a program is just insane! It happens everywhere. More on the outside, then on the inside. We all know that.


Wasn't it a John Lennon lyric which said "Woman is the nigger of the world?"

Yet another instance in which he is wrong...

Children is the nigger.

Quote from: ""Nihilanthic""
Maybe if you bang her, she'd listen to you and you can tell her to shut up?

 :P


I didn't make that comment because of CCM's contributions to the thread. It's when people started debating rape vs. consent and how if it's wrong, then it's rape even if the kid wanted to sleep with that person. I simply do not agree with that. It can be consensual and still be wrong.

Also, I will officially go on record as saying that I don't have a problem with CCM girl, and I never have. I may disagree with her on some points, but I don't have a problem with her.

Besides, like she would do what a guy orders her to do just because he banged her? She doesn't strike me as the wilting-flower doormat type who lets people treat her like crap, but I could be wrong.

After all, I don't know her, so I should probably not pretend to.  :P
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« Reply #49 on: October 26, 2007, 05:47:35 PM »
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A little history on me.........I was first sent away at the age of 12. I'll never forget the date 1-16-86. I was the youngest girl at the school. My first placement was called Heritage School for girls, located in Provo, Utah. Anyway, I was only supposed to be there for 1 year. 1 year came, and went.....I lost my only brother 6 months after I got there in a freak drowning accident. That was my first homevisit, was attending his funeral. I didn't go on many homevisits, 2-3 a year. I never got in any trouble when I went home, I did everything I could to prove to my parents I would be the perfect daughter, it didn't work. They were happy to have me gone, that way they could retire, and travel the world. Anyway, I went to my therapy sessions, and as time went on.......we all knew that I was going to be left to rot in these places till I turned 18 no matter how great I did. It was hard work to maintain the level system, to be perfect, to not get upset over my situation. I snapped after 3 years of this. I finally had the "fuck it attitude". I mean it didn't much matter if I were on S.S. (special status) or leval 4? I was determined to do whatever I wanted (like step outside onto the porch, you had to be on leval 2 for that!), to say whatever I wanted, to use the lords name in vain if I wanted. I just gave up, I tried to do the things the right way, and it didn't get me anywhere. I was angry, I was violent, I did things I know hurt people. I found out I was being shipped from one school to another, and I ran. I was gone for a week, and was captured to only have the one and only Karr Farnworth there to pick me up and take me to Cross Creek Manor, where I endured even more abuse. I spent almost a year there, before I ran from there too. This time for good, I never went back. That's it, just wanted you to know a little more about me.
 


CCM Girl ran from her final program at age 16. Age 16 is not the age of consent; and no mid-teen-age-girl can give "consent" to sexual activity with a staff member who has total legal control and power over her. Such sexual engagment is legally and morally wrong, even if the girl say "she liked it."
The negative posts to CCM Girl seem to have been made to her flipplant rermark; not to her situation.
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« Reply #50 on: October 26, 2007, 05:56:45 PM »
If that's what she said in the first place...

why does she act so differently now?

 :wink:

Someone stole her name.
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« Reply #51 on: October 26, 2007, 11:26:17 PM »
This is what happened at MJ Ranch.  The young girl is in love w/young staff.  It's called transferrance(among other terms that might fit also).  The staff needs to serve no less than 50 years in state prison for the violation of trust.

Staff is in a position to teach these young "miss guided" youth what is acceptable.  The cover up that is happening is unexceptable.

The major problem is the troubled youth is a liar(?).  Just what many of  you on this thread are calling CCM girl.  There have been so many "documented" lies that the staff will never be held accountable for taking advantage of an impressionable youth.

That's one for the GAO.

CCM Girl, I'm sorry for your experience.  Don't let it stop the search for truth.  We are all in this together.  Blessings sent to you.  You are not alone.
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« Reply #52 on: October 27, 2007, 01:22:48 AM »
Inner quote from P. Rutter, remainder from an anonymous poster HERE.
    "...such relationships may have the effect of undermining the atmosphere of trust on which the educational process depends. Implicit in the idea of professionalism is the recognition by those in positions of authority that in their relationships with students there is always an element of power. It is incumbent upon those with authority not to abuse, nor seem to abuse, the power with which they are entrusted."

    The gender relationship between student and teacher is itself a risk factor, just given the sheer probability of an erotic attraction.  There are a number of factors that could reflect a psychological vulnerability on the part of the student, such as low self-esteem, a need for authority, a pattern of repeated victimization, or difficulties with a personal relationship. "Transference" issues can come up in a close mentoring relationship just as readily as in a therapeutic relationship.  For example, a student may see her teacher as the kind of father she wished she had.
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« Reply #53 on: October 27, 2007, 01:47:03 AM »
Thank you Ursus for bringing that to the top.


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It is incumbent upon those with authority not to abuse, nor seem to abuse, the power with which they are entrusted."

This is the guts of the GAO investigation.  It is past time that regulation stating clearly what will happen to staff, administration and owner in the event this trust is violated.  

I have been reading this forum for some time.  I see alot of infighting.  What do you believe you will achieve by this behavior?

I relate to what happened to CCM girl.  MJR covered up multiple occurances of just what she is telling about.  Calling her names, accusing her in the manner that has occurred here does not do anything but place blame on a young girl who needed mentoring and direction, NOT INSULT TO INJURY.

CCMGirl I envision that you search out the truth.  Keep reading, keep learning don't let this thread determine one second of your life.  You are not a victim today.  Go forward and make a difference.  There is a reason you experienced the events that happened.
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Re: rape vs consent
« Reply #54 on: October 27, 2007, 01:50:26 AM »
Quote from: ""anyone's post""
 Go forward and make a difference.  There is a reason you experienced the events that happened.


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Re: rape vs consent
« Reply #55 on: October 27, 2007, 02:07:22 PM »
Quote from: ""anyone's post""
Thank you Ursus for bringing that to the top.


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It is incumbent upon those with authority not to abuse, nor seem to abuse, the power with which they are entrusted."
This is the guts of the GAO investigation.  It is past time that regulation stating clearly what will happen to staff, administration and owner in the event this trust is violated.  

I have been reading this forum for some time.  I see alot of infighting.  What do you believe you will achieve by this behavior?

I relate to what happened to CCM girl.  MJR covered up multiple occurances of just what she is telling about.  Calling her names, accusing her in the manner that has occurred here does not do anything but place blame on a young girl who needed mentoring and direction, NOT INSULT TO INJURY.

CCMGirl I envision that you search out the truth.  Keep reading, keep learning don't let this thread determine one second of your life.  You are not a victim today.  Go forward and make a difference.  There is a reason you experienced the events that happened.



I am not a victim today, you are right. I am going forward, and making a difference. I know there was a reason I experienced the events that I did. And I don't care what some of these people have to say about me on here.
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« Reply #56 on: October 27, 2007, 02:27:26 PM »
Making a difference how?

All you do is attack and insult people who actually want to stop the abuse with nonsense like "WELL WE NEED SOME KIND OF PROGRAM" and "THEY'RE NOT ALL BAD"
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« Reply #57 on: October 27, 2007, 02:44:29 PM »
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Making a difference how?

All you do is attack and insult people who actually want to stop the abuse with nonsense like "WELL WE NEED SOME KIND OF PROGRAM" and "THEY'RE NOT ALL BAD"



Look at what you are saying Niles. You take a few words from here, and there. Bunch them together, and try to create something that is in the end, just a bunch of horse shit!

I believe that not all programs are bad. I do believe that we need for good, safe programs to exist. I don't think, or believe they all need to be shut down.

I have a cousin of mine who should have been in a program a long time ago. But, he never was forced to go. He is 25 now. He has two kids, he has been a meth addict for 8 years, and before that he was a  heavy pot smoker. He stole from us, he hurt our whole family, He refused our help. Finally, he has agreed to fly to Florida to enter treatment. He is 25, without even a GED. The only job he has ever held was that of drug dealer.

Had they gotten him help earlier, he wouldn't be gone. He would've never have agreed to treatment in his teens. He did not have a police record. My Aunt, and Uncle should have sent him away. I think they thought they could help him without having to place him. Well, I think they were wrong.

He is very lucky to be alive. We are all keeping our fingers crossed he enters into treatment November 1st. People need help. Yes, now he can decide to get help because he is an adult. It's his decision. But, his parents should have forced him to go before.
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« Reply #58 on: October 27, 2007, 02:53:43 PM »
And then have somebody who would have refused to get help on his own after his experience of "help".

A program could easily have poisoned him against the entire concept of rehab.

I'm just reminded of the girl who, right after leaving ASR or some similar hellhole, started doing cocaine the moment she got home.
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« Reply #59 on: October 27, 2007, 02:55:21 PM »
So, an anecdote about treatment means programs are not all bad, and are necessary?

Treatment that isn't in a program has existed for a long, long time. The problem with making treatment into a "program" has been stated so many times I'm really sick of it.

Treatment is treatment. A program is coercion, isolation, and forcing them to go through a level system and complete a bullshit curriculum in a bullshit environment of inmates having control over other inmates, fear, reprisal, and brainwashing to varying degrees.

ANY institution that uses ANY of what I talked about above is a PROGRAM, NOT A TREATMENT INSTITUTION.

Programs are NOT necessary, the rest of the world and the vast majority of the USA for that matter gets along fine without them, using actual treatment without mountains of non consensual, un-necessary bullshit along with them.

Perhaps what you define as a program and what I define as a program are two differing things. I have just stated what mine is. I have it that way because stating "a institution that is based off of unnecessary, nonconsensual, coercion, isolation, and forcing them to go through a level system and complete a bullshit curriculum in a bullshit environment of inmates having control over other inmates, fear, reprisal, and brainwashing to varying degrees" is too long winded for easy conversation.

Do you mean not all treatment institutions are bad? I agree. A PROGRAM is intrinsically bad and by fixing it it wouldn't be "A PROGRAM" anymore, and I'm done repeating this!

Your anecdote shows a necessity for TREATMENT, not for PROGRAMMING.

In conclusion, I'm going to go make some soup now.
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