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Offline Nihilanthic

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« Reply #165 on: October 09, 2007, 11:23:21 PM »
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See how charming you all are! Pure hatred!!!!!


No, frustrated with your bullshit argumentative ploys.

Also, see my sig regarding programs.
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« Reply #166 on: October 09, 2007, 11:28:06 PM »
Niles, are you that retarded!?!! There are not enough hours in the day for you my friend! You are given good information, and answers, and you still don't get it! How old are you? Is there anyway we could collectively donate to get you into a program? I can't give you all my time you whiny brat!!!!! Stop asking the same questions over, and over!
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« Reply #167 on: October 09, 2007, 11:29:03 PM »
CCM Girl, see *your* sig regarding programs.
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« Reply #168 on: October 09, 2007, 11:32:20 PM »
You can't handle the fact that not all programs are 100% bad.
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« Reply #169 on: October 09, 2007, 11:33:45 PM »
Does that really matter?
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« Reply #170 on: October 09, 2007, 11:34:14 PM »
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Niles, are you that retarded!?!! There are not enough hours in the day for you my friend! You are given good information, and answers, and you still don't get it! How old are you? Is there anyway we could collectively donate to get you into a program? I can't give you all my time you whiny brat!!!!! Stop asking the same questions over, and over!


You haven't given me shit!

You have not said straight up if children were kept there who had nothing wrong with them.

You have not gone into any detail of any supposed therapy.

And for that matter you have not justified in any system of ethics to condone yearlong incarceration. Incarceration for MEDICAL reasons is only for the duration of instability and then they are RELEASED, CCMGirl.

Long term confinement is either for control or punishment and you know that!
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« Reply #171 on: October 09, 2007, 11:37:17 PM »
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You can't handle the fact that not all programs are 100% bad.


a) A PROGRAM, that is, a "duck farm" or a quackish warehouse is intrinsically bad. I've been over this countless times.

b) a place that is otherwise non-abusive except for isolation from the outside world, trampling rights of the children within, and keeping them captive for no medically or legally (punishment for a crime) justified reason is still bad, because they're still being held captive for no reason except because some quack said so.

But I REALLY Doubt such a hypothetical exists. We all know what happens when you have that kind of control over someone and the expectations from the consumer (the program parents) inevitably make it degrade into a system of punishment and coercion.

c) Nice change of your sig.
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TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #172 on: October 09, 2007, 11:39:06 PM »
What the hell is the difference if it's the program punishing them, or the parents? In good programs the punishments are similar!!!! They are not overly excessive. You cannot force parents to parent. Some don't know how to, or even where to start! That is why some kids are so out of control, and their parents can't handle them!!!!!
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« Reply #173 on: October 09, 2007, 11:43:06 PM »
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What the hell is the difference if it's the program punishing them, or the parents? In good programs the punishments are similar!!!! They are not overly excessive. You cannot force parents to parent. Some don't know how to, or even where to start! That is why some kids are so out of control, and their parents can't handle them!!!!!


A parent punishing someone is different from locking someone away for a fucking year for no reason except someone said so and punishing them there, and if I really have to spell it out then you're clearly too fucked up from your past trauma to have anything but a private opinion about this.

In other words, shut the fuck up.

In the case that parents can't parent, guess what? Their relatives, foster care, or group homes that aren't coercive and let them go to school and get jobs and have lives are available. There is no need to turn to involuntary incarceration, it isn't justified unless they are LITERALLY out of control, and those have existed since before programs came into being and will continue to long after they're gone.

Also, if a "parent" finds a child to be "out of control" but they are not medically out of control or in the custody of the police, guess what? THEY ARE NOT OUT OF CONTROL, THE PARENTS ARE FUCKING FAILURES.

Programs are NOT equipped to deal with a truly out of control teenager. They're violent and usually end up kicked out or in a jail after assaulting someone!
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« Reply #174 on: October 10, 2007, 01:32:29 AM »
Niles, you have no idea what you're talking about! I am too tired to deal with you. I'm going to bed!!!!!!
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« Reply #175 on: October 10, 2007, 01:44:43 AM »
No, you just got your ass kicked and can't think of some stupid comeback, argumentative ploy, or logical fallacy because I somehow covered every base you could think of.

So, yes, go to bed, girl. You need some time out. TheWho's probably waiting for you :wave:

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TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #176 on: October 10, 2007, 12:19:17 PM »
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What the hell is the difference if it's the program punishing them, or the parents? In good programs the punishments are similar!!!! They are not overly excessive. You cannot force parents to parent. Some don't know how to, or even where to start! That is why some kids are so out of control, and their parents can't handle them!!!!!


If a parent did the same things Peninsula Village did to my step daughter under the guise of therapy, the parent would be put in jail for inflicting mental and physical abuse.  PV's aware their techniques are sketchy - that's why they went batshit when my wife pulled out a camera and photographed their "restraint".

So, CCM, if you think isolation and physical harm are necessary to deal with an "out of control" kid, don't you think the parents might have been failing in their duties for a long time?  The whole family needs some guidance, not the "service" these places promise but can't deliver.  Randall Hinton's an idiot, you can't treat kids like pizzas.  Where is the pizza delivery boy Hinton now?
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\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #177 on: October 10, 2007, 05:10:52 PM »
CCM girl.I also think that the wider point here is that just about all programs are incarceration without trial. I accept that there may be some that are not violent and that care on some level about the kids. But making any kid spend 3 yrs straight with no school holidays, somewhat monitored mail and few weekends with their family is a form of inprisonment even when the prison itself is comfortable.
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« Reply #178 on: October 10, 2007, 05:25:53 PM »
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What the hell is the difference if it's the program punishing them, or the parents? In good programs the punishments are similar!!!! They are not overly excessive. You cannot force parents to parent. Some don't know how to, or even where to start! That is why some kids are so out of control, and their parents can't handle them!!!!!

A parent punishing someone is different from locking someone away for a fucking year for no reason except someone said so and punishing them there, and if I really have to spell it out then you're clearly too fucked up from your past trauma to have anything but a private opinion about this.

In other words, shut the fuck up.

In the case that parents can't parent, guess what? Their relatives, foster care, or group homes that aren't coercive and let them go to school and get jobs and have lives are available. There is no need to turn to involuntary incarceration, it isn't justified unless they are LITERALLY out of control, and those have existed since before programs came into being and will continue to long after they're gone.

Also, if a "parent" finds a child to be "out of control" but they are not medically out of control or in the custody of the police, guess what? THEY ARE NOT OUT OF CONTROL, THE PARENTS ARE FUCKING FAILURES.

Programs are NOT equipped to deal with a truly out of control teenager. They're violent and usually end up kicked out or in a jail after assaulting someone!


More of Niles logic:

Also, if a "child" tells a parent they have been “Abusedâ€
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« Reply #179 on: October 10, 2007, 05:27:46 PM »
Looks like TheWho's starting to get desperate again.
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