More zero tolerance bullshit

[Anonymous]

It was justified in my opinion.  No one should bring a weapon to school, guns, hand granades,home made road side bombs, pipe bombs, doesnt matter.  There is no way anyone can tell whether it was loaded or not or if it was a real threat.....  its not like the kid was in 4th or 5th grade (playing cops and robbers), this kid is 14 years old and could have been shot or worse.

You forfeited your right to talk about rules when you became a convicted sex offender you pervert

[Anonymous]

I read that article in the Nugget as well, and had mixed feelings about it. True, the gun wasn't real, but, what if someone thought it was and it scared them? I don't know specifically the policy here in NC about fake guns in school, but I do know bank laws regarding fake guns and robberies. In the commission of a robbery at a bank, if someone brandishes a fake gun at you, whether it be a toy gun, plastic gun, lighter gun, or pellet gun that looks like a real bullet gun, the perpetrator is still charged with a weapons charge because he led the victims to believe it was real and the fear was real. It is possible that school systems have this same policy, that a fake gun is treated as a real one. Now, that being said, I think that this young man who was showing off his gun at LCMS shouldnt be charged with a weapons charge necesarrily. Was it wrong to bring that to school? Probably. Is it serious? Probably not.

[Oz girl]

I can also see why the kid with the fake gun got into trouble but it was Not a matter for the police. Whatever happened to being hauled off to the headmaster for detention and a good talking to.

[hanzomon4]

Fact:  they're not there to 'express, demonstrate or exercise' anything but their minds and educations.
Uniforms and no makeup, funky hair anything, or driving to or from school.

What Program is your child in? ::bangin::

He's not anymore.  
He was in the SpecialEd-blender, courtesy of the State.

Take away all those distractions... :wave:

I said:  "in school".  There's plenty of time out of school.  Not to mention after graduation to pierce your stuff and have green hair (no offense to anyone    ::luck:: ).
Why's everybody in such a big hurry to 'grow up'?

PS I can be a real big blockhead sometimes, absolutely.  Doesn't make me wrong, automatically, all the time,  does it?

I disagree totally....

That story was not about disruptions and to be honest most rules regarding dress and style aren't. Kids do have rights in school(with judicial precedent to back them up) that officials can't tamper with. This rule as stated in the policy is specifically discriminatory towards a subgroup without justification. It would be like banning hair weave citing the fact that it's featured in rap videos that feature alcohol and sex, thus posing a distraction to the learning environment or promoting underage drinking.

Sure schools can restrict dress, however they can't discriminate against a group of students. I've said before that the law is not about right and wrong, it only exists to justify it's self. So they could accomplish the same thing if they word the policy differently, it would still be wrong but it would also be more legal(Kids could still challenge it, depending on how it's worded) then it is now.      

A good civil rights attorney could rip this school a new one.  

Also kids must learn to assert their rights if they are to be valuable citizens, attempting to keep their rights neutered until they graduate will guarantee a dumb adult generation unable to think for it's self. If kids knew what their rights were dumb rules like the one in that story would be challenged more often. 18 is not some magic number where everything suddenly makes sense. We are the sum of our experiences and if 18 is the age we are considered to be adults we need more then "do as I say" before we get to that bs benchmark...  
::soapbox::

[hanzomon4]

I can also see why the kid with the fake gun got into trouble but it was Not a matter for the police. Whatever happened to being hauled off to the headmaster for detention and a good talking to.

+1

Headmaster?

But yeah, this is a 14 year old kid. We are trying to prepare them for the real world not make little examples out of them. Sure this was a serious problem but not one that called for legal action. The gun could have been real, but it wasn't. That's like finding a decapitated Barbi doll buried in some kids toy box and charging them with murder, not a fair analogy but still. Getting a kid involved with the legal system is a major predictor of future crime, i.e. don't do it unless it is really necessary.

[Deborah]

I can also see why the kid with the fake gun got into trouble but it was Not a matter for the police. Whatever happened to being hauled off to the headmaster for detention and a good talking to.

With all the drama, over-reacting, unreasonable punishment, humiliation, this could be the kid who flips. Gets so angry and/or hopeless that he comes back next time with the real thing.
Zero tolerance can turn an otherwise good kid into a criminal. Kids live up to the trips that are laid on them. If you expect the worse, that's likely what you'll get. Once they've been 'tagged', there's a reputation to live up to. Institutions are not adequate substitutes for parents. It's like kids have up to 5 or 6 different 'parents' with authority over them, that have varied and conflicting values and rules. No consistency. Crazy making.

[Anonymous]

Zero tolerance can turn an otherwise good kid into a criminal. Kids live up to the trips that are laid on them. If you expect the worse, that's likely what you'll get.

Maybe that's the whole point of Zero Tolerance -- to identify the kids who just might have anti-social tendencies -- based on one or two minor mistakes -- and cast them aside right away before anything really bad can happen. It's an extension of the one bad apple spoils the whole bunch threory -- with the added twist of throwing out suspected bad apples before they actually go bad.

[TheWho]

Zero tolerance can turn an otherwise good kid into a criminal. Kids live up to the trips that are laid on them. If you expect the worse, that's likely what you'll get.

Maybe that's the whole point of Zero Tolerance -- to identify the kids who just might have anti-social tendencies -- based on one or two minor mistakes -- and cast them aside right away before anything really bad can happen. It's an extension of the one bad apple spoils the whole bunch threory -- with the added twist of throwing out suspected bad apples before they actually go bad.

Although I do see what you are saying, it sounds a little like “Minority reportâ€

[Anonymous]

No, the message they need to get is that they obviously can't trust the school system to do anything remotely sane. (biiiig hint: orange tip = fake gun - this is actually something that the police started)

And the message YOU need­ to get is to GTFO.

[TheWho]

No, the message they need to get is that they obviously can't trust the school system to do anything remotely sane. (biiiig hint: orange tip = fake gun - this is actually something that the police started)

And the message YOU need­ to get is to GTFO.

I need to differ on this one.  I am far from a fan of the school system, but they are under tremendous pressure from state and federal government to close the gap.  (this is what oversight and regulation does so pay attention).  This are the people that many here at fornits want to have oversee the TBS’s…but anyway, that’s a different argument.

When it comes to guns in the schools, airports, banks it doesn’t matter if you are muslim, white, black, teenager or pregnant you are putting yourself at risk.  The kid is 14 and knows better, take it out into the woods like everyone else, don’t be an ass and flash it around in school…… if we let him carry it around then everyone will carry a pellet gun and then it will be that much easier to get a real gun past security…

[hanzomon4]

Zero tolerance can turn an otherwise good kid into a criminal. Kids live up to the trips that are laid on them. If you expect the worse, that's likely what you'll get.

Maybe that's the whole point of Zero Tolerance -- to identify the kids who just might have anti-social tendencies -- based on one or two minor mistakes -- and cast them aside right away before anything really bad can happen. It's an extension of the one bad apple spoils the whole bunch threory -- with the added twist of throwing out suspected bad apples before they actually go bad.

Although I do see what you are saying, it sounds a little like “Minority reportâ€

[Anonymous]

The who himself admitted to being a child molester after somebody posted his listing on the sexual offenders registry. His exact words were "i have paid my debt to society" He then deleted it. I am hoping somebody will repost this.

Dont debate this piece of shit. Dont even acknowledge his existence. He is nothing. He has no merit or right to be heard

[hanzomon4]

The who himself admitted to being a child molester after somebody posted his listing on the sexual offenders registry. His exact words were "i have paid my debt to society" He then deleted it. I am hoping somebody will repost this.

Dont debate this piece of shit. Dont even acknowledge his existence. He is nothing. He has no merit or right to be heard

I get it but he's no child molester, an ass hole maybe...

If the who gets off topic I just ignore that part of his post, other then that he has every right to be heard as I do. I think most of what he says is bullshit but....

[Oz girl]

it seems that there is a common sense link missing in this particular case. I think Deborah is right this only makes slightly naughty kids more likely to become crims.
There was a similar case here but the boys actually took real guns to a school camp. Because gun ownership is extremely tightly regulated here what they were doing was very illegal. Most city folk find the idea of anyone owning a gun alarming and frightening. It is extremely rare for a kid to bring a gun to school here and always has been.
 
The boys knew this was illegal but it was a rough country town where one of the main hobbies of the local lads is to get pissed and rabbit shoot. The boys got a suspension from school and when the cops investigated they came to the conclusion it was youthful tomfoolery and nothing more. Except for the bemusement of most and a few outraged parents it all died down. Because of commonsense from the local cops and the school these kids can go on to live normal lives.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 61,00.html

[Anonymous]

Dahlonega is a semi-rural town, but its not a rough country town. Hunting is definately a hobby for some, but its downright suburban lately. Its less than 70 miles from Atlanta, has a college, and an Army training base. It is also a tourist destination. While I agree it has its share of rednecks, alot are not. That being said, quite a few teenagers in the state of Georgia in general do posess guns for target games and hunting, however, so does every teenager in the state of Michigan that I knew, the state of Texas that I knew, and quite a few kids here in NC. I remember in my high school in Ga kids had hunting rifles in the racks of their trucks and pocket knives in their pockets and nobody said a word. Times have definately changed.