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« Reply #45 on: September 17, 2007, 06:24:27 AM »
I misread your post Oz girl, sorry. thats what I get for readin too fast at 6 am without coffee ...you were referencing a town there, not the boy in Georgia here. my mistake. disregard that part of above post.
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« Reply #46 on: September 17, 2007, 08:58:38 AM »
I can agree to a certain extent and maybe if the child was caught coming into school or on the bus they could have taken him home and just had a talk with his parents.  But since he was in full view of the rest of the student body the other kids had to see how serious it is to bring guns to school and the possible consequences.  If the child was given just a slap on the hand it would send a message that it was okay to start bringing weapons to school, or at least no worse than chewing gum.

The school system is under tremendous pressure to not only teach the kids but to baby sit these kids, be the first line of defense against pregnancies and std’s via sex ed., insure no one has peanuts in their backpacks because of peanut allergies  and now to check for weapons and possible psychological disorders.  Its just too much, the teachers don’t have the training to deal with all of these facets effectively……. If a kid has a gun, he gets removed from class and you call the cops, blue tip, orange tip shouldn’t make a difference, couldn’t someone take a real gun and just paint the tip orange to indicate it is a pellet gun, I don’t think they should have to make that call.
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Re: mistake
« Reply #47 on: September 17, 2007, 09:25:39 AM »
Quote from: ""SH""
I misread your post Oz girl, sorry. thats what I get for readin too fast at 6 am without coffee ...you were referencing a town there, not the boy in Georgia here. my mistake. disregard that part of above post.


no worries. Though you raise something interesting. Given that Oz does not have much of a gun culture and is pretty down on guns generally, and the US views guns as a right, it seems far more likely that a country kid may genuinely own a gun for innocent purposes in the US. With this in mind it seems hypocritical to arrest them for what is a constitutional right.
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Re: mistake
« Reply #48 on: September 17, 2007, 10:22:56 AM »
Quote from: ""Oz girl""
Quote from: ""SH""
I misread your post Oz girl, sorry. thats what I get for readin too fast at 6 am without coffee ...you were referencing a town there, not the boy in Georgia here. my mistake. disregard that part of above post.

no worries. Though you raise something interesting. Given that Oz does not have much of a gun culture and is pretty down on guns generally, and the US views guns as a right, it seems far more likely that a country kid may genuinely own a gun for innocent purposes in the US. With this in mind it seems hypocritical to arrest them for what is a constitutional right.


Oz Girl
We have many rights in this country, but they set up laws to restrict them in many cases….sometimes for the good sometimes not.  We encourage kids to go to school and they are allowed to have pellet guns, but they are not allowed to combine the two…the same way as we are encouraged to drive and we are allowed to drink alcohol but it is against the law to combine the two.

This doesn’t really constitute hypocrisy, in my mind, just a sign of the times.  If the kid wasn’t dealt with swiftly and someone was hurt, the national spotlight would be on that school in a heart beat wondering why they tolerated it, principle would have lost his/her job as well as the teacher and the school district would have been sued and won easily.
If it wasn’t for columbine and some of the other incidences in which children were hurt and killed within the school grounds we would have never heard of this incident, but it has been a major focus in this country and we all created this culture.
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« Reply #49 on: September 17, 2007, 10:38:08 AM »
Hysteria doesn't make the school's or the state's actions right in this case. Over reaction is just as bad as no reaction, the whole problem with zeroT in a nut shell. The question is simple does a 14 year old deserve a felony(?) on his record for making a kid mistake?

No
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« Reply #50 on: September 17, 2007, 10:56:38 AM »
No, I don’t think they need to create hysteria or handcuff the kid and slam him on the floor (don’t know if that happened or not) or anything like that……… I don’t know about the details of what happened or what the kids history was, so I cant comment on that…I do think the police should have been called and the child removed from the premises.  Maybe brought home, got his parents out of work etc…..a felony, maybe not, I don’t know the local laws there.
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« Reply #51 on: September 17, 2007, 02:36:05 PM »
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Hysteria doesn't make the school's or the state's actions right in this case. Over reaction is just as bad as no reaction, the whole problem with zeroT in a nut shell. The question is simple does a 14 year old deserve a felony(?) on his record for making a kid mistake?

No



No, he doesn't.   This shit is so indicative of part of what leads parents to look for TBSs/RTCs.  Its ridiculous.  Nanny state, helicopter parents, fear mongering, puritanical bullshit.




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 Cities cracking down on saggy pants

By MATTHEW VERRINDER, Associated Press Writer Sun Sep 16, 2:35 PM ET

TRENTON, N.J. - It's a fashion that started in prison, and now the saggy pants craze has come full circle — low-slung street strutting in some cities may soon mean run-ins with the law, including a stint in jail.

Proposals to ban saggy pants are starting to ride up in several places. At the extreme end, wearing pants low enough to show boxers or bare buttocks in one small Louisiana town means six months in jail and a $500 fine. A crackdown also is being pushed in Atlanta. And in Trenton, getting caught with your pants down may soon result in not only a fine, but a city worker assessing where your life is headed.

"Are they employed? Do they have a high school diploma? It's a wonderful way to redirect at that point," said Trenton Councilwoman Annette Lartigue, who is drafting a law to outlaw saggy pants. "The message is clear: We don't want to see your backside."

The bare-your-britches fashion is believed to have started in prisons, where inmates aren't given belts with their baggy uniform pants to prevent hangings and beatings. By the late 80s, the trend had made it to gangster rap videos, then went on to skateboarders in the suburbs and high school hallways.

"For young people, it's a form of rebellion and identity," Adrian "Easy A.D." Harris, 43, a founding member of the Bronx's legendary rap group Cold Crush Brothers. "The young people think it's fashionable. They don't think it's negative."

But for those who want to stop them see it as an indecent, sloppy trend that is a bad influence on children.

"It has the potential to catch on with elementary school kids, and we want to stop it before it gets there," said C.T. Martin, an Atlanta councilman. "Teachers have raised questions about what a distraction it is."

In Atlanta, a law has been introduced to ban sagging and punishment could include small fines or community work — but no jail time, Martin said.

The penalty is stiffer in Delcambre, La., where in June the town council passed an ordinance that carries a fine of up to $500 or six months in jail for exposing underwear in public. Several other municipalities and parish governments in Louisiana have enacted similar laws in recent months.

At Trenton hip-hop clothing store Razor Sharp Clothing Shop 4 Ballers, shopper Mark Wise, 30, said his jeans sag for practical reasons.

"The reason I don't wear tight pants is because it's easier to get money out of my pocket this way," Wise said. "It's just more comfortable."

Shop owner Mack Murray said Trenton's proposed ordinance unfairly targets blacks.

"Are they going to go after construction workers and plumbers, because their pants sag, too?" Murray asked. "They're stereotyping us."

The American Civil Liberties Union agrees.

"In Atlanta, we see this as racial profiling," said Benetta Standly, statewide organizer for the American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia. "It's going to target African-American male youths. There's a fear with people associating the way you dress with crimes being committed."
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« Reply #52 on: September 17, 2007, 03:24:45 PM »
This just got passed in my city.....

I don't wear my pants sagging, but I'm now looking into it. I don't know how it looks on me but I must get the message across that they(Old blacks that hate young black culture, yes it happens in the south) can kiss my ass, even if that means showing my ass.   ::kma::
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« Reply #53 on: September 17, 2007, 05:51:30 PM »
How do they figure that exposed boxer shorts are any more obscene than a swimsuit at the beach or at a public pool?

Plumber's crack is more revealing and definitely not fashionable, but the shop owner in Trenton has a point -- are they going to go after plumbers and construction workers too? Somehow I don't think so. Well, maybe just the darker skinned ones.
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« Reply #54 on: September 17, 2007, 06:06:14 PM »
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How do they figure that exposed boxer shorts are any more obscene than a swimsuit at the beach or at a public pool?

Plumber's crack is more revealing and definitely not fashionable, but the shop owner in Trenton has a point -- are they going to go after plumbers and construction workers too? Somehow I don't think so. Well, maybe just the darker skinned ones.


That's the thing all of these sagging pants laws are being pushed by blacks, it's insane but they really hate young blacks. They look at young black culture as a disgrace to their great negro Afro American image of blacks in suits with pants pulled up to the nipple  :o
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« Reply #55 on: September 17, 2007, 11:47:05 PM »
Teachers or Cops: Who's being bribed to run shooting drills?
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« Reply #56 on: September 18, 2007, 10:26:20 AM »
Shooting drills are awesome because we know exactly what everyone else is going to do before we kill them.
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« Reply #57 on: September 18, 2007, 04:07:47 PM »
This teacher wont need to call the police (or the principle) if a student pulls a gun out of his backpack:

Ashland, Ore. - In court documents, she's known as "Jane Doe." Innocuous enough, but the woman behind that pseudonym pushes one of the nation's hottest political buttons: guns and school safety.
What Ms. Doe wants to do is take her Glock 9-mm pistol to the high school in Medford, Ore., where she teaches.
She's licensed to carry a concealed weapon and she has what many supporters say is a legitimate reason for being armed: a restraining order against her ex-husband based on threats he's allegedly made against her and her children..............................................


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« Reply #58 on: September 18, 2007, 08:56:51 PM »
Can they ratchet it down any tighter?

Ban ADHD Drugs, Not Tag
by Tony Zizza

It appears the last good thing coming out of the state of Colorado is Coors beer. Everything else has taken a horrible left hand turn down the drain. Does the mountain air in Colorado have a way of turning their education system into a circus?

Colorado is home to the infamous college professor/goon Ward Churchill, and it is home to a high school education system where guest speakers/ programs ramble on and on about the pleasures of sex and drugs. There is no shame. There is no standards. There is no accountability. One would think things could not go off the deep end any further in Colorado.

Oh, but they can. And they have.

The Associated Press reported on September 2nd that an "elementary school has banned tag on its playground after some children complained they were harassed or chased against their will."

Color me cynical, but these are just the kind of children who will only become, well, adult children. I'm sure their parents (if you can call them that) are a bunch of wimps. This is a terribly unfunny joke. The world is laughing at us.

According to Cindy Fesgen, assistant principal of the Discovery Canyon Campus school, tag "causes a lot of conflict on the playground." And the issue is - what? Life in the form of human relationships is a constant crash course in conflict. Conflict is how you work things out. Grow. Cooperate. Negotiate. Give up. Ms. Fegen must think that children who do not experience conflict in elementary school outside play will somehow have an inside track on never experiencing conflict in the adult world. Oops. I forgot. My bad. Ms. Fegen and her Discovery Canyon warriors will never know what it's like to be a full grown adult.

Banning tag on an elementary school playground? This is social engineering run amok, and run right out of a sewer.

But it brings a great idea to mind. It's an idea that should be brought to fruition. It could save thousands and thousands of young minds, not just in "Hey, anything goes!" Colorado, but in schools all across this dynamic country of ours.

Ban ADHD drugs, not tag. That's right. You would have to be a moron with a capital M if you do not realize that the emotional impact of tag on an elementary school student is a hell of a lot less severe than the emotional and physical impact ADHD drugs have on students whose minds and bodies are still - growing. Did you hear me? Still growing!

Are these weasels who rail on about tag and how it must be banned, also willing to ban ADHD drugs? I mean, doesn't every school in America have several drug free zone signs in the front entrance for everyone to see, already? What kind of parent or teacher could support ramming Methylphenidate down the throat of an innocent child, but could not support that same child engaging in a simple game of tag?

We're awful teachers and parents if we give tag the boot, but continue to welcome in Big Pharma to our schools and homes. We welcome in Big Pharma in the form of subjective mental disorders, the acceptance of their drugs, and the constant advertising of the ADHD lie in the form of advertising in magazines such as Woman's Day, Redbook and Family Circle. Millions of parents and teachers read these magazines, and see the slick ADHD machine at work.

How sad. Picture a parent-teacher conference or a family dinner (rare, these days) where voices carry to ban the emotional evil of tag, but the mighty label of ADHD is accepted without question. Without debate. Without a wonder. Without a second thought as to the real damage an ADHD diagnosis/drug does to the heart and mind of a small innocent child. Well, at least lousy parents (more interested in their careers or tennis) are relieved with the comfort their child's eventual compliance brings.

So, what kind of parent/teacher are you? Are you against the simple game of tag, but for a child being schooled in ADHD doublespeak and dangerous drugs? Where does your soul weigh in on this one?

Come on, this one is a no brainer.

Ban ADHD drugs, not tag.

Zizza is a freelance writer based in Atlanta, GA. He writes frequently about education and popular culture. Reach him via email at: tz777@comcast.net

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« Reply #59 on: September 18, 2007, 09:13:56 PM »
Quote from: ""hanzomon4""
Hysteria doesn't make the school's or the state's actions right in this case. Over reaction is just as bad as no reaction, the whole problem with zeroT in a nut shell. The question is simple does a 14 year old deserve a felony(?) on his record for making a kid mistake?

No


The thing is i honestly can understand why the police would be called if a kid brought a gun to school even if it was fake. But then there is a cultural difference as nobody owns guns here. What i cant understand is the cops reaction. if they had a lick of common sense they would examine the gun, see it was fake, tell the kid off for being a bloddyt idiot and perhaps have a quiet word with his parents. The kid would likely be suspended for a day or 2 and this is it. it is as if these cops feel that without some sort of arrest in every situation they are not doing their job!!
As to the pants thing. Dont even get me started!!!
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