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« Reply #105 on: September 12, 2007, 07:56:01 PM »
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Any of these Little Johnnys that are still around will get found out and either drugged, shipped off to programs, or both.

In another generation, there won't even be any more Little Johnnys, since kids will be so well controlled from birth that they won't even be able to think of such clever comebacks.


I disagree. I think things are moving in the other direction, actually. Kids ta day are more empowered to get their information from diverse sources. And they're fed a steady diet of diversity via the net and their net affected friends and idols. So they're more used to sorting it all out and drawing sensible conclusions.

Most things in this universe do not traverse a linear path. Culture especially; it adapts as well as water to new obstacles and simply flows around them according to certain predictable, though complex, hard rules (plus a whole lot of uncertain rules.... Terrance McKenna's "blind spot")
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« Reply #106 on: September 12, 2007, 08:53:09 PM »
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Most things in this universe do not traverse a linear path. Culture especially; it adapts as well as water to new obstacles and simply flows around them according to certain predictable, though complex, hard rules (plus a whole lot of uncertain rules.... Terrance McKenna's "blind spot")


it's been asked, which mushroom blooms at the end up history? the mushroom of oppenheimer & teller, or the mushroom of wasson & mckenna?
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« Reply #107 on: September 12, 2007, 09:53:44 PM »
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My first big tip off was when I dropped my oldest daughter off at day care and the nice people there advised me to pretend I wasn't just as upset as she was over leaving her alone among strangers.

This troubled me a little too. I remember that well, I was a stay at home dad for a while. Fuck you for laughing, you asshole, you know who you are. ((LOL)) No seriously, fuck you. Anyway, yeah, that didn't set too well with me either, and I made sure to at least hug my daughter before leaving. Other times I'd kinda ignore them and sit with her at her desk until they said time to go. Fortunately my youngest was ok with that.

It may seem like we're making a mountain out of molehill here, but that sort of proposed outright denial of reality says something about the school system...
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« Reply #108 on: September 12, 2007, 09:56:57 PM »
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Asshole pigs !  :x Lucky he had that camera...  :rofl:

I watched about half of that fucking thing before getting annoyed and stopping. Part of it was that damned ticking going on the whole time. Anyway, the song "Cop Killer" was written for officers like that one!
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« Reply #109 on: September 12, 2007, 10:00:09 PM »
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It would be good to see a movie on the history of the industry and available for free on Google video would help a lot because so far the movies ive seen are for profit, and not bashing that, but the audience that matters to stop this which is parents searching for placement aren't going to pay money and wait most likely but might watch a online one.

Good point...
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« Reply #110 on: September 12, 2007, 10:19:00 PM »
Scarlet-Fr0derik:   I was the family taxi when my stepdaughter took my granddaughter to preschool.  I'm not sure which of the two of them cried harder.  Broke my heart to watch.  And their bond grew stronger from that.  Mine had the opportunity to also w/her knowing I would never 'not pick her up'  ::kiss:: ( like anyone would ever have left/forgotten her anywhere )  How different her childhood was...
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« Reply #111 on: September 13, 2007, 05:43:15 AM »
At the risk of sounding like an ogre here I have no problem with at times repressing your emotions in front of small children. A quick hug and reassurance that the kid will have a good day i would think can instill confidence in a small child starting school. id be saving any tears for later. To me it is no different to the mother who kisses the crying child and cheerfully says "all better now". It is reassurance that life goes on and that dwelling on the negatives means you miss out on all the fun stuff. :wink:

As to the idea that schools have the right, qualification or responsibility to diagnose or recommend medication for JR. How seriously fuked up!!!!
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« Reply #112 on: September 13, 2007, 08:47:51 AM »
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At the risk of sounding like an ogre here I have no problem with at times repressing your emotions in front of small children. A quick hug and reassurance that the kid will have a good day i would think can instill confidence in a small child starting school. id be saving any tears for later. To me it is no different to the mother who kisses the crying child and cheerfully says "all better now". It is reassurance that life goes on and that dwelling on the negatives means you miss out on all the fun stuff. :wink:

Try telling that to an "emo."

Anyway, what you described is considered the best case scenario, but I don't know..  When my oldest was bawling her head off those first couple of days at pre-school, I found it difficult to just walk out on her. I understand the rationale that sticking around too long will "only make it worse," but I'm not so sure I agree with their *ahem* tough love approach..

Some of these teachers could at least consider 'stopping the clock' in consideration of the kids feelings. Class just isn't that important. If I give 5-10 minutes of love and reassurance and she's still upset, oh well, at least I tried, and at least she'll know that I cared enough not to just walk out on her... Baby steps, you know? And sure, it depends too on whether the kid is genuinely upset or just whining...
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« Reply #113 on: September 13, 2007, 10:01:44 AM »
well i wouldnt see it as a tough love approach. To me a tough love approach would be to tell the kid to stop crying. But remaining cheery, reminding the kid that you'll be back to get them at ex time and giving the impression that you assume they wil have a great time is not an unhealthy approach. obviously if they are still crying everytime months later then this is a sign of something bigger because school is obviously a less than happy experience for them.

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« Reply #114 on: September 13, 2007, 10:42:21 AM »
in preschool i cried everday for a week, for the first couple of days. my mom just dropped me off and didnt say anything. for the first two weeks, i just sat alone by the tea set. i just sat there. if the teachers tried to get me to participate, i'd start crying. i managed to muster enough strength to get up and play after two weeks, but it wasnt till halloween that i made freinds. my mom was 3 hours late so i ended up sitting around after school with one other kid. he came up to me, and (to the best of my memory) he was like "hi, my mommy is late, is your mommy always late too?", and i made freinds.
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« Reply #115 on: September 13, 2007, 10:48:00 AM »
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well i wouldnt see it as a tough love approach. To me a tough love approach would be to tell the kid to stop crying. But remaining cheery, reminding the kid that you'll be back to get them at ex time and giving the impression that you assume they wil have a great time is not an unhealthy approach.

I was using the phrase somewhat loosely.

When my parents dropped me off at Straight, they didn't tell me to stop crying or anything, they just left...

Sorry, but I don't see all that much of a difference...
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« Reply #116 on: September 13, 2007, 11:07:03 AM »
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my mom was 3 hours late so i ended up sitting around after school with one other kid. he came up to me, and (to the best of my memory) he was like "hi, my mommy is late, is your mommy always late too?", and i made freinds.


Ahh, If life stayed that simple.......
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« Reply #117 on: September 13, 2007, 05:31:24 PM »
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well i wouldnt see it as a tough love approach. To me a tough love approach would be to tell the kid to stop crying. But remaining cheery, reminding the kid that you'll be back to get them at ex time and giving the impression that you assume they wil have a great time is not an unhealthy approach.
I was using the phrase somewhat loosely.

When my parents dropped me off at Straight, they didn't tell me to stop crying or anything, they just left...

Sorry, but I don't see all that much of a difference...


The difference (aside from the obvious abuses) Is that straight more or less was designed to punish you and made every effort to limit private conversation. It also told parents not to beleive their children's stories of abuse. I am hoping that in the event that I send kids to school one day they are at the kind of nurturing place that they will overall do fine. I am advocating making the kid feel secure by making it clear they will be picked up by loved one at a specific time. Straight appears to have deliberately made kids feel totally abandoned. The best way of instilling confidence in a child is to set an example
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« Reply #118 on: September 13, 2007, 07:34:29 PM »
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well i wouldnt see it as a tough love approach. To me a tough love approach would be to tell the kid to stop crying. But remaining cheery, reminding the kid that you'll be back to get them at ex time and giving the impression that you assume they wil have a great time is not an unhealthy approach.
I was using the phrase somewhat loosely.

When my parents dropped me off at Straight, they didn't tell me to stop crying or anything, they just left...

Sorry, but I don't see all that much of a difference...

The difference (aside from the obvious abuses) Is that straight more or less was designed to punish you and made every effort to limit private conversation. It also told parents not to beleive their children's stories of abuse. I am hoping that in the event that I send kids to school one day they are at the kind of nurturing place that they will overall do fine. I am advocating making the kid feel secure by making it clear they will be picked up by loved one at a specific time. Straight appears to have deliberately made kids feel totally abandoned. The best way of instilling confidence in a child is to set an example


Its awful, the way it use to be from what I have read.  Those terrible punishment schools are gone.  The rehabilitation now at least has the kids talking to one another and their family needs to be present for many of the events.  I am not saying they are great but at least they closed those places like straight.
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« Reply #119 on: September 13, 2007, 07:43:16 PM »
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Its awful, the way it use to be from what I have read.  Those terrible punishment schools are gone.  The rehabilitation now at least has the kids talking to one another and their family needs to be present for many of the events.  I am not saying they are great but at least they closed those places like straight.



Its not any different now.  Honestly, its not.  I wish, oh god how I wish, it was.
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