Should Sue related threads get moved to PURE/sue/caca forum?

[Anonymous]

I assume posters post information where they want to because they have a damn good reason.  

Why would you assume that?  There are so many Sue threads in so many different forums that the poster might not be aware that the virtually identical discussion is going on somewhere else on the board.

[Anonymous]

I assume posters post information where they want to because they have a damn good reason.  

Why would you assume that?  There are so many Sue threads in so many different forums that the poster might not be aware that the virtually identical discussion is going on somewhere else on the board.

Because I believe in freedom, and that those who produce information know how to use it best, as it is their right.

I also assume that if the admins or moderators believed the Sue threads were spam they would be deleted and the poster banned for flooding.

[Anonymous]

I count 5 threads on the first page about Sue Scheff, and they generate discussion. I don't see the big deal.

[Antigen]

Anyone else find it EXTREMELY IRONIC that the opening page to FORNITS.COM focuses on Scheff and a thread like this takes place? :rofl:

Opening page has what, about a full page all abou Sue? A statement from Ginger directed at Sue? A link to five websites about Sue?

Like a fat kid with a cookie in his hand asking for more food.

Sorry, haven't had time to properly redo my front page. Sue did initiate all the gus mus by contacting our hosting provider and using lies and threats, even a laughable attempt at bribery of a form, to have the site booted. Pretty fuckin hard to ignore, don't ya think? Ask eb and psy about that. They've put in probably hundreds of hours working for free to repair the damage Sue has done.

She does deserve some attention for it. And, strategically, I always try and make it backfire when bullies try to shut us up or force censorship. Ask Betty Sembler, Calvina Fay or any of the other notable complainers mentioned at http://dchfans.org/

As to the question, though, I don't even have time to read 10 more pages of this discussion. I'm all for letting this die off at a natural pace. I'll update the front page when I'm good and darned well ready and not a minute sooner, so there!

[Antigen]

How do people feel about moving suesue threads to the pure/caca forum AFTER they drop off page 1 of the TTI forum (which means, essentially, they won't exist).

I can still leave a "ghost copy" on the tti forum, which will redirect people to that thread on the PURE / CACA forum.  Ginger has done this with a number of my Benchmark threads.

Come to think of it, that would solve the problem. But will it port to SMF?

[Mummie]

Good idea in my opinion.  I don't see moving it as moderating.  Moderating would be choosing to change the context of the text written.  All that is being posed here is to move the threads to the proper forum.  It has nothing to do with anyone's freedom of speech, it changes nothing submitted, only the place where it will best be suited, easily obtainable, and stop hindering search time having to jump back and forth.  However, if people posted in the proper Forum to begin with, this subject would be moot.

[Anonymous]

I don't see moving it as moderating.  Moderating would be choosing to change the context of the text written.  All that is being posed here is to move the threads to the proper forum.

I believe by definition moderation occurs because the action is to remove the judged excessive sue posts. This is what moderation is, to remove excess or shortfall and create a moderate middle. In this sense, the "moderate" amount of relevant sue postings. How many is that going to be exactly? My argument is to play a fair game everyone must know the rules, if a referee can make up rules, or they are subjective in any way, how does one know when they are going out of bounds?

It has nothing to do with anyone's freedom of speech, it changes nothing submitted, only the place where it will best be suited, easily obtainable, and stop hindering search time having to jump back and forth.

Perhaps a more appropriate title would be to remove the word bullshit which suggests it's almost a trash bin of a forum, a place to dump the unwanted posts of the more important TTI forum. This is, in reality, how it comes across, in my opinion.

However, if people posted in the proper Forum to begin with, this subject would be moot.

I couldn't agree more! Which begs the obvious question why they don't. Do we assume they are retarded or incapable of understanding their decisions? If not, then should we not assume they have a good reason, and what obligation do they have to explain it to anyone? We are usurping the role of the smarter individual based on assumptions and essentially hijacking their work and placing in what we deem a more appropriate venue. They obviously see the venue as less than ideal, otherwise they would post there, or so I would assume.

[hanzomon4]

Pure Bullshit, some things don't come across well on the net... But c'mon!!!

A trash bin? please....

[Mummie]

Yah, exactly, I don't know where the trashcan mantality came in, but you can take it out with the trash :rofl:   It's not being done to take it anywhere to hide it, sweep it under a rug, or combine it with any other posts.  I don't get why simply moving it to the proper Forum is such a big deal.  They should be posted there in the first place.  The only reason I can see why you might be up against this is because you may be posting it in the wrong forums just for shits and giggles.  I am not saying you are doing that, but that's the only thing I can think of.  This is getting beyond silly.  I feel the only person this is really going to hurt is Izzy or Sue, because they won't be seeing their names plastered all over every Forum.  Just my opinion, you can take it or leave it.

[Anonymous]

Trashcan mentality came from the creation of that very forum, I am looking at this issue from a longer term perspective I guess. Don't you remember how it all started.

I was made an admin a while back to specifically relocate the Sue Scheff crud to the appropriate venue. The plan didn't work then and it won't work now. I prefer a voluntary compliance (for the lack of a better phrase) at this point. It would be nice to have the Sue Scheff threads in the PURE boolshit forum.

Read the byline closely:
'Fixated on PURE Bullshit and CAICA? Ok then! By popular demand, here's a forum just for you!"

Not exactly a compliment, sounds more like a peace treaty. Well that's what it was, in a way, at the time, an attempt to ebb the flow of Sue related threads by enticing and forcibly moving threads there.
I'm just saying, it's been done before. You can't tame fornits. If you somehow do, it will cease to exist.

[Deborah]

Moderation entails, among other things

*fixing quote tags
*deleting duplicate posts- frequent lately when the server was slow to post
*delete annoying spam- been hit with a load of that twice recently
*splitting threads when appropriate- so the second discussion can continue without detracting from the first
*moving threads to appropriate forums- it does happen that someone will post in the wrong forum and ask for it to be moved

TTI isn't technically moderated, but those things are done in the TTI forum to make the forum more pleasant to read. The last two happen rarely, but the first three happen frequently.

All the HLA threads in TTI were moved when that forum was created, same with other forums. There's a forum for S/P/I, no need to have everything duplicated in TTI. It's a waste of space- as I suggested, post the info in S/P/I and put a link to it in TTI. Same goes for any program/topic that has its own forum.

The truth is- there's never been a clear definition for Moderation or Flooding. I think that's being worked on.

[Anonymous]

Fornits has 4,491 Registered members; and only 9 have voted on this issue.  So, who seems to really bothered one way or the other?

[Rachael]

The point isn't to "moderate excessive suesue posts". The person who suggested this (psy) posts plenty about Sue Scheff et al, and certainly doesn't think that this posting is unwarranted. If anyone has reason to be royally pissed at Sue Scheff, it's psy. All he is proposing is collecting all the posts in one place so that the information can be easily accessed by those who want to find it - parents thinking of doing business with her for example. The idea is that this would do two things: free up the TTI forum for discussion of things other than SueSue, but most importantly, making it far easier to find information about Sue Scheff, Pure, etc. when we (or others) are looking for it. It is not supposed to be a dumping ground. The SS information is very important, so it needs to be easily accessible. It deserves it's own forum, so as not to get lost in the muck of the TTI. As psy said, as soon as something drops off the first page, it's almost impossible to bring back. Most people researching it will not know to look back there for it. However, in a forum dedicated to it, they will be able to look at all the posts about the subject in one place.

Psy is directing this question towards everyone who posts. This includes the person(s) posting all the SS information. In fact, he probably wants to hear from them the most. Is it ok with you all if the official place for SS posts is the SS forum? Speak!

And if you have an issue w/ the title of the forum, let it be known. You have a voice! I took it to be a play on words - CAICA is a lot like CACA, hence the bullshit reference, not intending to say anything about the posts, but rather Sue's bullshit.

[Antigen]

And if you have an issue w/ the title of the forum, let it be known. You have a voice! I took it to be a play on words - CAICA is a lot like CACA, hence the bullshit reference, not intending to say anything about the posts, but rather Sue's bullshit.

That is precisely how I meant it, too.

And you're right, Rachael, the only opinions that really matter are those of the people doing the posting. And I expect they will differ significantly. So how about this. Instead of deciding whether or not the admins should move a bunch of posts, with or without leaving a ghost, how about the authors of said material let us know if they agree with the idea and want their own posts moved?

So if you want the threads moved, please contact the op's and ask them to ask us to move them.

[Mummie]

Alright, I am done preaching to the masses.   Deb has clearly re-stated what's been being said over and over again, enough said.