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« Reply #60 on: March 10, 2004, 01:18:00 AM »
Hmm... i dont' know that i would really go as far as saying that there is abuse in pfc. Yes, a lot of things are a little shifty. From what i understand the place is a total joke right now. New comers talk to eachother, newcomers call home, there is hardly any confronting. Recently all of guys side 3rd level and above got set back because they were reading maxim magazine. that was totally unheard of when i was in the program. The place seeems to be falling apart. I think it is kind of fucked  up that when i was on 5th level, if i were to say how i really felt (miseable and anxious as hell to get out) than i would have probalby gotten set back. Its all a game. You get there, you're pissed off so you go defiant, then you realize you have to just play the game. Nobody goes through the program completely honest, and if you think you did you are wrong. The only real abuse i can think of is the people who have been out of almost a year and still worship the place. They call the AC coordinator and tell on other graduates of the program AND aftercare, for rules they broke in the program. nevermind the fact that these people are doing great today. Some people live their lives as if they are still in that other world called pfc. that is totally insane. so maybe there is abuse. I dont know. its not the abuse that people normally think of or consider abuse though. And wether i like it or not, i got sober and pfc and i'm grateful for that. Yet at the same time i hate the place. Quite a predicament....
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« Reply #61 on: March 10, 2004, 10:12:00 AM »
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so maybe there is abuse. I dont know. its not the abuse that people normally think of or consider abuse though.


I had a phone conversation a couple of years ago w/ a 40 year old man in Maryland who's son was a client in SAFE, Orlando (formerly known as Straight, Orlando). This was just prior to the 2nd conference on abusive juvenile treatment. This guy had been thinking about calling for a week or more, but he was afraid. He told me about the phone tree; whenever a parent pulled their kid, a phone tree would be activated to inform the rest of the pod and, from that moment forward, other members were forbidden to have any contact whatsoever w/ the defector. He told me he was shaking as we spoke for fear another member of the Parent group would find out he'd spoken with "the enemy" and report him.

This is evidence of abuse. Not the kind that leaves physical marks or a paper trail. But spiritual, psychological and emotional abuse.

Poster to these forums often note similarities between the kind of mind-fuck that goes on in these "treatment" facilities and the way a wife beater keeps his victim on lock down. In the movie, Sleeping With The Enemy, Julia Roberts goes about her day straightening cans in the cupboards, arranging towels in the bathrooms, terrified of leaving some minor detail out of order, lest Mr. Wonderful come along and beat her down again for it. Even when he's not there, he's able to torture her because she has internalized the torment and become her own jailor.

That's what I'm talking about. In 2 years at Straight, I was only sat on once. But I and every other member of Group was tormented 24/7. I feel the worst for those who haven't figured it out yet, too. That's one of the reasons for hosting these forums; so that they can see that we can, indeed, talk out in group and not get struck by lightening.

Sounds like PFC is losing necessary cohesion. That's good to hear. No need to punish or prosecute anybody. In my view, there's been enough punishment and coercion to last us all a lifetime already. Just simply let everyone communicate freely and the mindfuck can't work. Simple as that.


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« Reply #62 on: March 10, 2004, 10:42:00 AM »
I can tell you that I was never personally physically abused in the program I was in.  That does NOT mean that I don't carry scars!!!!  I witnessed MANY acts of physical violence and that was bad enough, but the psychological torture that we were ALL exposed to did FAR MORE DAMAGE than the physical abuse...IMO.  Walking wounded is a perfect term for it.  For 20 years I walked around with all that shit.  I have been clinically diagnosed with PTSD, although I didn't seek treatment for it...I've had enough 'treatment' for a few lifetimes.

I still shake on the phone sometimes when I talk to my ex-husband.  The abuse I suffered at HIS hands had been over for a very long time, but the psych. effects linger on.

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« Reply #63 on: March 10, 2004, 11:42:00 AM »
Thanks! I've missed ya'll too.
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« Reply #64 on: April 08, 2004, 08:17:00 AM »
without this website, the changes that have made Pathway a better more humane place would not have happened. You should all be congratulated.
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« Reply #65 on: April 13, 2004, 08:09:00 AM »
I'm glad pathway has improved, does that mean vicky is gone, she was on some kind of controll trip,I felt bad for scott he knew what was going on there was wrong and he just played dumb, I think he was afraid of vicky, I didnt care for the place, they were all controll freaks, a bunch of users, I dont think they cared about any of the parents over there,I feel the place needed a complete staff makeover and they needed to follow the state rules, I gave the place about a 3 on a scale of 1-10,I'm glad my daughter is sober and clean, she is doing great, but I still have bad feelongs about that place and I can't even begin to wonder how my daughter feels. ::noway::
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« Reply #66 on: April 13, 2004, 01:56:00 PM »
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"I still have bad feelongs about that place and I can't even begin to wonder how my daughter feels. ::noway:: "


uh, why don't you just ask her.
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« Reply #67 on: April 15, 2004, 08:23:00 AM »
I have asked her she doesnt really want to dwell on it, I know shes glad its over with she's told me that, ok :wink:
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« Reply #68 on: November 29, 2004, 03:52:00 AM »
geeze, we must have been there at the same time. i remember all that shit. "sicking the dogs" cussing, pissing in front of people on level higher than me, chasing and tackling in the parking lot - with no shoes on! physical restraints, cussing girls out till they get crazy with that tennis racket and pillow, getting put in a body bag and having my "death certificate" read in front of all the families on those stupid friday night meetings, sexual abuse at the host homes, having to look at pictures of dead and bloated teenagers.....  :evil:
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« Reply #69 on: July 25, 2005, 12:07:00 PM »
To: Ginger

It's a good thing that Straight does not exist anymore and that Pathway has nothing to do with Straight's way of "helping". And your right, you don't have proof that Smell was seen at Pathway a couple of years ago. A lot of shit can change in time. Quit being so damn ignorant.
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« Reply #70 on: July 25, 2005, 12:24:00 PM »
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It's a good thing that Straight does not exist anymore and that Pathway has nothing to do with Straight's way of "helping". And your right, you don't have proof that Smell was seen at Pathway a couple of years ago. A lot of shit can change in time. Quit being so damn ignorant."


Don Robinson was the director of Straight before Pathways. Perhaps you should do more research.
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am looking for people who survived Straight in Plymouth, Michigan. I miss a lot of people there and wonder what happened and would like to stay in touch.

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« Reply #71 on: July 25, 2005, 12:30:00 PM »
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It's a good thing that Straight does not exist anymore and that Pathway has nothing to do with Straight's way of "helping". And your right, you don't have proof that Smell was seen at Pathway a couple of years ago. A lot of shit can change in time. Quit being so damn ignorant."


Yeah, but what about the fuel reciept for the private plane that carried that Sembler grandkid and his phaser buddy down to FL on 4th phase? HUH? There's more proof in places you would never look
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« Reply #72 on: July 28, 2005, 02:15:00 PM »
I was in Pathway with Mel's grandkid. His name is Mark and his father is Steve. And yes, he did take a private plane to and from his house in Florida to the building on higher phases.
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am looking for people who survived Straight in Plymouth, Michigan. I miss a lot of people there and wonder what happened and would like to stay in touch.

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« Reply #74 on: August 02, 2005, 12:27:00 AM »
I love the little smilies over here..

M_G_8,  
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was thinking the same thing  --   lol  


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