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For ex-clients: What type of abuse goes on at Pathway?
« on: May 29, 2003, 12:55:00 PM »
Physical - pushing, holding down, restraint, spitting...

Verbal - yelling, cussing, insulting, threats, name calling...

Emotional - solitary confinement, sleep deprivation, food deprivation, sexual insulting, antagonizing, insulting...
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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2003, 06:00:00 PM »
I graduated the program and since I had been there, there has never been a time out room.
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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2003, 01:55:00 PM »
Since I have been in pathway I have not seen any cussing at us or a time out room And who told you
that they have restaints? And there is no fire hazard at the building and you can go to the fire station and ask about that. I sure hope none of these things people are saying hear is true.But so far none of this is happening at this time.
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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2003, 04:50:00 PM »
That question was directed towards EX-CLIENTS.
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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2003, 06:13:00 PM »
Being "Armed" held onto is a restraint. Clients have been tackled when trying to leave the facility. Confrontational therapy is abuse.  Being made to feel ashamed, guilty, humiliated in front of others. The clients do abuse each other with insults.  Prohibiting communication between client and family is abusive. No privacy when going to the bathroom is abusive.  denying them a phone is abusive.  The place is a fire trap with only one exit.
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« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2003, 09:13:00 PM »
How can you sit there and type "not abusive" when the resounding of infamy, the one and only, Mel Sembler himself, founder of the world's most notorious drug treatment program was doing "mike talk" with his grandson there at Pathway? Don't even try to tell people that Pathway is a non-abusive drug treatment center. Hang on,  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::

AAAAAAAAAAH, much better. Whew, I have a allergic reaction when people talk total nonsense. Sorry. Got a mop?

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« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2003, 11:03:00 PM »
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"Being "Armed" held onto is a restraint. Clients have been tackled when trying to leave the facility. Confrontational therapy is abuse.  Being made to feel ashamed, guilty, humiliated in front of others. The clients do abuse each other with insults.  Prohibiting communication between client and family is abusive. No privacy when going to the bathroom is abusive.  denying them a phone is abusive.  The place is a fire trap with only one exit."


Look, friend, no need to even go into it on this level. Just take a breath and then take a look at some of the vicious attacks on Ryan that some of the proud graduates have made.

For those of you readers who were never in this cult, let me explain to you a little bit about what's going on behind the scenes here. Just months ago, these very same people who are tossing around these harsh insults toward Ryan were his best and only friends in the whole world.

Not that the kid ever had a hard time making friends. I've never even met him so I have no way of even guessing one way or the other aside from how he conducts himself here. And, frankly, if I were the medeling type, I might be looking to introduce him to my daughter based on that.

The reason why Ryan had not a friend in the world outside the Program is because it's against the rules to even smile at anyone other than other cult members. Getting busted having a meaningful conversation or corespondence with anyone, even family, who the staff has not given a member permission to talk to could land the kid back on first phase.

If Ryan had never said a word and not withdrawn from the cult (never dissented, in other words), right now these same people would very likely be gushing with teary eyes about how much they love him and respect him and look up to him for being SUCH a GOOD example to them. But expressing any kind of dissent is an unforgivable crime in this cult, as in any other.

The kinds of insults and cruel shots at what these people know to be this kid's most tender spots are nothing compared to what they'd be saying and doing to him if they could get their hands on him in Group. Here, there's a limit to what people will put up with. Inside, there's no escape and just about no limit to how kids will take out their agression on other kids, especially when the allegedly responsible adults are gleefully egging them on.

Think Lord of the Flies. Then think again about whether this is the right program for your son.

A drug is neither moral nor immoral - it's a chemical compound. The compound itself is not a menace to society until a human being treats it as if consumption bestowed a temporary license to act like an asshole.
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2003, 05:59:00 PM »
What are you talking about that Sembler had a grandson in Pathways? Where can one verify that statement?
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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2003, 06:43:00 PM »
Well, leme clarify. Someone posted here a few months ago saying that they'd seen Smell Sembler on the parents' side on OM night a year or two ago and that he was there for his grandson. I can't prove that it's a true statement, but I have no particular reason to doubt it, either. If you want to know how Smell Sembler feels about the Program, just look at his Official Bio  "Although best known as a leading shopping center developer, Sembler is also renowned for his activism in the anti-drug movement. In 1976, Sembler and his wife Betty founded STRAIGHT, an adolescent drug treatment program. During its 17 years of existence, STRAIGHT successfully graduated more than 12,000 young people nationwide from its remarkable program."

Not only are Smell and Betty still carrying on that 12k 'successfully graduated' lie, but they seem to be very proud of their scam as they have STRAIGHT in all caps, just like TOUGHLOVE! or JEB! (what is it with fundie zealots, caps and extranious exclamation points, anyway?)

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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2003, 08:02:00 PM »
Let poor little Ryan defend himself.  He does not need you to back him up.  He is a BIG boy.
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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2003, 10:52:00 PM »
Oh, you'd like that if the kid were all alone in the world. I'll tell you what, I'd have given my eye teeth if there had been Program vets speaking out 20 years ago when I got the bums rush from the group that allegedly loved me.

No chance, buddy. If you want to pick on vulnerable kids, you're going to have to do it right out in the open from now on :eek: Have you seen the headlines lately? People are starting to speculate about how and why you can get away with shit that piss ant little Socialist Republics like the Czech Republic and Costa Rica won't tolerate. Your whole scam is falling apart. All of the drug warrior camoflage is blowing away like chaff in the wind and, soon, it'll just be you standing there torturing children for no aparent reason. Hmm... I guess I'd cut that out if I were you, and sooner rather than later.

BTW, in all liklihood, Ryan's atty has probably advised him not to make any more public statements. That's usually good advice, too. But, guess what? I'm neither party to any suit nor privy to the details. I can say pretty much whatever I think :lol:  

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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2003, 07:38:00 AM »
Yes, Sembler Grandson was in Pathway in June of 2002.  Parents pulled I think. Maybe the kid will read this website and tell us about it.
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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2003, 04:39:00 PM »
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On 2003-05-31 10:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Since I have been in pathway I have not seen any cussing at us or a time out room And who told you

that they have restaints? And there is no fire hazard at the building and you can go to the fire station and ask about that. I sure hope none of these things people are saying hear is true.But so far none of this is happening at this time.

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since you have been in pathway alot has changed i was a prisoner for 16 months the reason some of tis no longer happens is because people like myself and SOME of the others on this site are trying to put a stop to unhealthy practices on teenagers. but they must have changed the rules since ive been in there cause on no lovel could you be on the internet. whatever. peace.. :smokin:  ---smith
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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2003, 06:34:00 PM »
Could also be that same person who was posing as the desperate mother of a 17yo heroin junkie, too.
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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2003, 07:16:00 PM »
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Could also be that same person who was posing as the desperate mother of a 17yo heroin junkie, too.



I fell for that too.
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